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In the interest of balance, it’s worth pointing out that we can’t play an evening game at the moment as our floodlights don’t work and we are installing a very similar system. We also use the exact same ticketing system that had these issues last night. It was frustrating, but it could just have easily been us at home and this could have happened. All for having a laugh at Rovers’ expense, but there’s every chance a power cut at East End would produce the same outcome. In fact, I’d say it’s very likely.

Btw, what a sight Bumper crowd next week Bairns

I work in Oil & Gas (and Wind-based Renewables), have done for nearly 15 years, and I'm delighted with today's events. We should absolutely now be gradually transitioning from O&G to Renewables Also, more pertinently, you're a complete fucking moron.

Mentioned it on another thread but my old man passed away 10 days ago. He had been a Dundee fan for as long as he could remember, having himself been taken to Dens as a child by his dad and was lucky enough to see Billy Steel playing for us in the flesh, including both Hampden League cup final wins and (unfortunately) the drubbing at the hands of Motherwell in between. He went to almost all the home games in our 61-62 league-winning season, and was at Muirton on THAT day to see us lift the trophy and was a regular for many seasons after, including the various european campaigns but didn't make the 1973 league cup win. He started taking me to games in the mid-80s - Dens one week, Tannadice the next and let me make my own choice. Obviously I preferred Dens. I think he was just happy I had no interest in either of the Old Firm. Posting up the video of the 4-3 win over Rangers in 1992 in the Surprise Results thread reminded me of him - it was a cracking hot day and he'd parked away up in some side street of Clepington Road. Of course we didn't have jacketson so after beating Rangers 4-3 we basically had to walk through several thousand seething Rangers fans to get back to the car in Dundee tops and scarves The best of the lot though was before a Rangers game at Dens in 1988. BBC were doing the commentary and for whatever reason Archie McPherson was late getting to the gantry. He had to walk through the Derry about 5 minutes before kick off to get to the TV gantry which of course meant he got pelters from absolutely everyone, especially my old man, who's bovril he'd spilled when frantically trying to squeeze past him between the benches. McPherson had that massive sheepskin coat on. I hope getting that bovril stain out cost the c**t a fortune Good memories.

Dunfermline fans are the gift that keeps on giving.

@Ad Lib I'm a little drunk, sorry, I'm un educated I'm not sorry for that. 1 I Not going to beat about the bush. I'll could batter you. ok You are very intellectual boy. Note 1 Enjoy you day

Excuse the essay, but just a few thought from last night: Embarrassing and frustrating but lighting / power failures happen sometimes. Hopefully there’s some kind of proper survey carried out to figure out what went wrong and why. However, there were things that we do already know were within the control of the club / police / stewards etc that weren’t good enough last night and will need looked at as a matter of urgency. Why was the game allowed to kick off if power hadn’t been restored in the stands. Fans stuck outside the ground, no ticket systems, fire alarms, cctv, tannoy, lights? Issues serious enough to stop the game but not serious enough to stop it kicking off? Was there a communication breakdown here between the club / match day commander and the referee or was it a bad decision on someone’s part? Club / stewards need to enforce emergency vehicles only outside main stand. Not the first time the range rovers have created a bottle neck there but certainly the worst. Especially with one parked across the way. Can’t imagine it’s recommended, in the training manual, for these guys to park their protection vehicles side on amid several hundred pissed off football fans. Why do the club / stewards not just explain they have to park elsewhere? The security of one person cannot be allowed to be prioritised over the safety of several hundred (thousand?) people. I’ve read on here, and social media, how bad things were outside the ground before and after the game. I was in early and managed to leave pretty sharp so didn’t witness any of this, thankfully. Sorry for fans, on both sides, who did. Isn’t this the sort of thing a match day commander is there to organise? Why wasn’t more done to make sure a few thousand hacked off fans could get out of the ground / area in an orderly fashion. Police Scotland train to cover old firm and international games, why did they seem unprepared for this? I think we’ve also discovered that our emergency lighting, in the concourse areas, isn’t good enough. If power had gone off much later into the evening it would have been even darker in there and much more treacherous - especially if all fans had made it inside or if there had been a non-restricted crowd. As I said at the start, these things shouldn’t happen but sometimes they can and do… but there were a lot of things last night that just can’t be shrugged off as “just one of those things” especially as they relate to fan safety. Feels disappointing after we’ve come so far, in terms of fan engagement, in recent years.

Bloody hell, Aberdeen fans get stick for apparently living in the past, and now a Kilmarnock fan comes along and gives us stick for living in the present. We cannae win. (Except against Kilmarnock)

Probably a good thing I didn't go as I would be on the fucking pitch right now

This has probably pissed me off more than it should. A big part of going to the Saints games is meeting up with your friends and family, sitting next to each other and watching the game with them. That's why you all buy season tickets in seats next to each other. A load of people will now be denied the opportunity to watch arguably the most important game in the club's history (certainly in financial terms) with the people who they have sat and watched some absolute shite with over the years. Feels like a massive kick in the teeth from the club.

The teachers.

What a few months though. Doubt there was a better player in Scotland. That image from the game at Morton summed it up...

No place on here for rational and balanced posts like this.

A bit of an embarrassing gaff sending the wrong flag to the league winners. But it doesnt come close to how tin pot the whole love in between Thistle and Hearts is because they *checks notes* were bottom of their respective leagues at the same time. An absolute fucking riddy.

Putting a padlock on a bridge.

A frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see from her nameplate that the teller's name is Patricia Whack. So he says, "Ms. Whack, I'd like to get a loan to buy a boat and go on a long vacation." Patti looks at the frog in disbelief and asks how much he wants to borrow. The frog says $30,000. The teller asks his name and the frog says that his name is Kermit Jagger, his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's OK, he knows the bank manager. Patti explains that $30,000 is a substantial amount of money and that he will need to secure some collateral against the loan. She asks if he has anything he can use as collateral. The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny pink porcelain elephant, about half an inch tall, bright pink and perfectly formed. Very confused, Patti explains that she'll have to consult with the manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and says "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to know you and wants to borrow $30,000. He wants to use this as collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what the heck is this?" The bank manager looks back at her and says: "It's a knick knack, Patti Whack. Give the frog a loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone"

There isn't an incel thread, but there's a wrestling thread which is basically the same thing.

A growing number might argue that there were plenty of warnings or question marks from his previous roles. Certainly enough to have given the board strong indications that he wasn't the right man for a team with apparent ambitions of building momentum towards promotion to the top flight. We're averaging less than 3 shots on target in our league games so far. Call me revolutionary but how in gods name is a team at any level of the game going to meaningfully compete, and dare I say even win a match, with this kind of output? The largely dreadful recruitment carried out up until now causes the dire product and to a lesser extent formations on the field that we're currently seeing in the league games. We're Ayr fans, we don't expect to win every week, but please give us a team that shows a willingness to compete, show attacking intent, alongside fight, hunger, desire and a willingness to run until they drop each and every match. This bunch represent an honest, hardworking community and fan base that have been starved of continued success for too long. Football all over the world is littered with stories of teams who've defied uncertainty and the odds to overachieve. They're led by Ally MacLeod type visionaries, they don't accept being second best and largely outperform the odds against them each and every week. They come up with inventive moves from open play, setpiece routines and a tempo and purpose to their play. They aren't led by a "negative first, let's not get beat" type of approach. That gets you nothing but mediocrity, that's exactly what we're getting at the moment. As I've said previously I don't expect to win every week and I'm not precious about the formation or style of play we adopt. But let's go out on the front foot, let's bloody the noses of the opposition and perhaps take the same from them but above all else let's win or lose with a bit of a fight. My growing anger is due shifting from Hopkin to the board if they continue watching what the rest of us are watching. If it isn't for changing for the better why even give him a set number of games? It only decreases the number of games available for his replacement to right these terrible wrongs. Just out of interest, I'd be interested in hearing from anybody backing Hopkin as to how exactly they expect the desired level of improvements to actually occur?

Week 4 results A high scoring week (mostly) all round but it is Cove Rangers1922 who tops the weekly league with a brilliant 13 points. Name Correct Score Correct Result Total Points CoveRangers1922 4 1 13 Stevo Fife 3 2 11 Wilson92FFC 3 2 11 watdeadlyone 3 1 10 African Sunset 3 0 9 fatdoug1938 2 2 8 badgerthewitness 2 1 7 FortecueFotheringhamSmyth 2 1 7 Grangemouth Bairn 2 1 7 jpm 1 4 7 Karpaty Lviv 2 1 7 Maxismydog 1 4 7 Scott-Replay 2 1 7 BW Charlie 2 0 6 Chapelhall chap 1 3 6 flyfifer48 2 0 6 Larry Hood 1 3 6 LeodhasXD 1 3 6 fifer67 1 2 5 haufdaft 1 2 5 Marshmallo 1 2 5 Mon_The_Fife 1 2 5 broomiesniper 0 4 4 C. Muir 1 1 4 CRFC Blue 1 1 4 ebobsboy 1 1 4 Jambo98 1 1 4 roman_bairn 1 1 4 Zanetti 1 1 4 51 Bairn 0 3 3 Bairn in Exile 0 3 3 BFTD 0 3 3 bobthespider 0 3 3 BWAClyde 0 3 3 cb_diamond 0 3 3 Clyde85 0 3 3 Come Away The Clyde 0 3 3 esortnom 0 3 3 falkirkzombie 0 3 3 Mantis Toboggan 0 3 3 Mr November 0 3 3 thelocalcat 0 3 3 williebraveheart 0 3 3 AFalkirkBairnB 0 2 2 Ammo - Airdrie 0 2 2 Bairney Rubble 0 2 2 dynamo_rumble 0 2 2 Jaggy Snake 0 2 2 mcqbez 0 2 2 shawfielder 0 2 2 In the overall league AFalkirkBairnB still leads the way but they are joined by fatdoug1938 and fifer67. Name Correct Score Correct Result Total Points AFalkirkBairnB 4 9 21 fatdoug1938 4 9 21 fifer67 4 9 21 Chapelhall chap 5 5 20 CoveRangers1922 4 8 20 Zanetti 4 7 19 esortnom 3 9 18 haufdaft 3 8 17 Jambo98 4 5 17 Stevo Fife 3 8 17 Ammo - Airdrie 3 7 16 FortescueFotheringhamSmyth 3 7 16 Larry Hood 3 7 16 Marshmallo 4 4 16 Mon_The_Fife 3 7 16 Wilson92FFC 4 4 16 badgerthewitness 2 9 15 bobthespider 2 9 15 CRFC Blue 3 6 15 roman_bairn 4 3 15 Scott-Replay 3 6 15 williebraveheart 2 9 15 Bairn in Exile 2 8 14 51 Bairn 2 7 13 C. Muir 2 7 13 flyfifer48 3 4 13 Grangemouth Bairn 3 4 13 Maxismydog 1 10 13 shawfielder 2 7 13 thelocalcat 1 10 13 Wee Jockie 2 7 13 African Sunset 3 3 12 Jaggy Snake 1 9 12 cb_diamond 1 8 11 ebobsboy 2 5 11 jpm 1 8 11 LeodhasXD 1 8 11 Mantis Toboggan 1 8 11 watdeadlyone 3 2 11 Bairney Rubble 2 4 10 broomiesniper 1 7 10 BWAClyde 1 7 10 BFTD 1 6 9 dynamo_rumble 1 6 9 BW Charlie 2 2 8 falkirkzombie 0 8 8 Karpaty Lviv 2 2 8 laughing gravie 1 4 7 Mr November 0 7 7 CapitalDiamond 2 0 6 Clyde85 0 6 6 Glenmavis Diamond 1 3 6 HoustonSpider99 1 3 6 mcqbez 0 6 6 Silverton End 1 3 6 Vegetableman 1 3 6 Polarbear 0 5 5 marko 0 4 4 sparkys dream 1 1 4 Come Away The Clyde 0 3 3 ewan_fife 0 3 3 King Kebab 0 3 3 scottsdad 0 3 3 Cambuslang Fiifer 0 2 2 the snudge 0 2 2 Clyde soccer trendy 0 0 0 dirvy 0 0 0 Thanks for playing everyone. Week 5 fixtures will be posted tomorrow.

Honest to f**k you would moan about not winning the euro millions if you won the national lottery.

I'm sure he'd be older.

I haven't given any consideration to the political implications of this agreement, however it seems to have Tories and creepy boomers who have unhealthy fascination with Greta Thunberg absolutely fucking raging, so it's already worth its weight in gold. Tremendous.

The Marymass Derby. Add 1 win now for Meadow but wee section in the programme. "There have been 94 Marymass matches so far. The first was played in 1921, and apart from a five year gap during the Second World War, there has been a game played on the Marymass Friday evening ever since until last season in 2020. There wasn’t much to chose between the teams before the war with Meadow winning ten and Vics seven with two draws. However since 1945 Meadow have dominated the fixture. In the following years Vics have only increased their total to 15 wins, but Meadow now stand on 74 victories, with 5 drawn games. Victoria’s longest winning run is 3 matches, between 1934 and 1936, although they were unbeaten in four as the 1933 game was a 1-1 draw. Meadow’s longest winning run is 15 games between 1979 and 1993. However they had a 20 game unbeaten run between 1955 and 1974, with only the 1969 game being a 1-1 draw. Since 2006 Meadow and Victoria have contested the Irvine Herald Trophy. This replaced the John Martin Memorial Shield which was played for between 1982 and 2005. The Herald results are as follows:- 2006 Meadow 3 v 4 Victoria H.T. 2-3 Meadow scorers; Reid, Kerr (2 inc a pen). Vics scorers; Graham (2), McIlroy, Gibson 2007 Victoria 0 v 4 Meadow H.T. 0-3 Meadow scorers; Armstrong, McGinty, Turner (2) 2008 Meadow 1 v 0 Victoria H.T. 1-0 Meadow scorer; C Robertson 2009 Victoria 0 v 1 Meadow H.T. 0-1 Meadow scorer; Boyle 2010 Meadow 3 v 1 Victoria H.T. 1-1 Meadow scorers; Strain, Ryan, McGeown. Vics scorer; Baird 2011 Victoria 4 v 6 Meadow H.T. 4-1 Victoria scorers; McAvoy (2), McGregor, Colligan. Meadow scorers; Ryan, Miller, McGuinness, Barr, Turner, Eeles. This game is the highest aggregate score in the fixture's history to date. 2012 Meadow 3 v 1 Victoria H.T. 2-1 Meadow scorers; Eeles, Hughes, McClymont. Vics Scorer; G Russell 2013 Victoria 0 v 1 Meadow H.T. 0-0 Meadow scorer; Thomson (pen) 2014 Meadow 4 v 4 Victoria H.T. 1-2 Meadow scorers; Hall, Sawyers (2 inc a pen), Thomson. Vics Scorers; Adam (2 pens), Ablorh (2). Meadow won the trophy 3-2 on penalties. Meadow penalty scorers; Sawyers, McParland, McCann. Vics penalty scorers; Adam, Davidson 2015 Victoria 1 v 4 Meadow H.T. 1-0 Vics scorer; Ablorh. Meadow scorers; McPherson (2 inc a pen), Twaddle, G McCann 2016 Meadow 4 v 3 Victoria H.T. 1-2 Meadow scorers; Hannah, Begley, Vernon (2). Vics scorers; Adam (2 inc a pen), Craig 2017 Victoria 3 v 1 Meadow H.T. 2-0 Victoria scorers; Mears, Adam (2 inc a pen). Meadow scorer; Connolly 2018 Meadow 4 v 3 Irvine Victoria Meadow scorers: Devlin, David MacKay, Begley & Graham Boyd Victoria scorers: Roddy Patterson 3 2019 Victoria 1 v 4 Irvine Meadow Victoria scorers: Ryan Morrow Meadow scorers: McLaughlin, Slooves, McTernan & Pearson The 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2015 and 2016 matches were also League Cup group games; the rest were stand alone Herald Cup ties." Why it started: "Up until 1921 both clubs had enjoyed free Marymass Saturdays to allow the people of the town head out to Irvine Moor for the races. However, in 1921 the Irvine rivals were given a league fixture for that weekend and the decision was taken to play it on the Friday evening. The decision turned out to be a great success, as The Irvine Herald reported, “Fortunately the night was ideal and there was a great crowd in Meadow Park as the teams took the field”. The teams who took part on the first Marymass Derby were (in the 2-3-5 formation of the time): Irvine Meadow XI: Syme; Paton and Wilson; Wylie, Bobbins and McDonald; Ness, Page, Scott, Ferguson and Leiper." Irvine Victoria: McKenzie; Wilson and Dickson; Craig, Dunlop and Gibson; McLaughlan, Galloway, Knox, Livingston and Beaton.

Hold the bus. We have a winner…. Fucking brilliant

^^^ beyond seething.

Welcome one and all. Peter has a stranglehold on the keys to the bottom of the league house. Battling the odds, he has steered his new club into his preferred spot and will do all he can to keep them there. Can your shitey mob displace him? Stay tuned…

I would hate it, if the single most anticipated moment in 21st century Motherwell supporting happened at an unattractive, expensive away game that a lot of people gave a wide berth.

Not sure mate. @Shadwell Dogwhat were you raging about pal ??

Think back to when Ross had just taken over, or when Kearney was in post. Our league position said we were shite, and nobody could understand why our fans seemed (mostly) happy with the way things were going. But in both situations, we could see an improvement in attitude, application and overall performances. I've got to be honest, this doesn't feel like that. This feels like a team that's been unable to score with any regularity for many, many months, and with a few key players who are after a move. This feels like a team being made to persist with frankly baffling tactics. I challenge anyone to honestly say this feels like a team that's heading in the right direction. Just not getting that vibe from the players or their performances. Obviously Alnwick has had a mare today, and previously may have kept that down to 3/4, but we can't blame him given he was on the wrong end of a turkey shoot today.

Knicker wetter are out early this year. There were folk calling for Goodwin's head last season after a poor run. Today was a tough watch, but we're the second team Celtic have hit for 6. I imagine we won't be the last team to get a doing at Parkhead this year either. I'm not convinced of 3 at the back and I worry about the lack of pace in our team but it's certainly not time to panic yet.

At last, those upstarts are out of the way and we can claim our top position!

Krasniqi. Phenomenal.

Beginning to think Livingston are a bit fucked. Thanks for the hope at least lads.

The sea lions will defend the club over this (it's only a seat/it's not the club's fault the system is shite/they don't have enough time) but I totally agree with you. Like yourself, I've been fortunate enough to be notified about this and get on and get our seats but the thinking that long-standing ST holders (many of whom have bought multiple STs last season when they only actually needed one for Saints TV - which, as someone said, has turned to complete shit) could have ended up behind goal etc... and have been shown no loyalty is pretty galling. The 9,000 fans won't always be there, Saints. You look after the folk that back you week-in, week-out. Fully expect the backlash to this but there you go.

I don't even remotely feel sympathy for St Mirren, yet I would also never tire of endlessly punching Alan Stubbs in the puss.

Cheers. He was around for all our trophy wins bar the SC, saw all of those in the flesh apart from the 73 final and must have seen pretty much every one of our hall of fame players. All this at a time when we could easy get 30,000+ crowds for big games. Jammy b*****d

That's just how they treat <50 IQ customers.

Must have been everyone plugging them in at the time that caused the power cut.

I worked with ACH outside of politics. People may be shocked to learn he was arrogant, aggressive and narcissistic.

As long as he doesn't turn out like you, I'll be happy. Young Jack is doing o.k., going for his masters this year, working part time in a chicken factory, bought his latest car for cash but had to take out a loan (which he could pay off today) in order to create a credit history, and his next project is gathering up the deposit for his own house.

Assume that’s not a typo?

“Hey Stellaboz how you doing”

As someone who also works in oil & gas, I fully agree with everything that’s been said here. As for the last sentence, few truer words have ever been spoken on this great forum.

It's the football I care about, I care about the lower leagues & non-league. There is absolutely no doubt that the presence of Rangers & Celtic B massively devalues the Lowland League, regardless of the skills they have or their results. There is zero advantage to Scottish football in general in this plan. If these teams end up long-term in the pyramid it will devastate Scottish lower league football. That's why so many people (myself included) are so strongly against.

I think it's chlamydia, nothing too serious and a bout of antibiotics should clear it up for you.

So much to say about this, much of which would be positive. However let's start out by laughing at Gypsy-hater Douglas Ross, as he spits feathers. Poor ol' Dougy boy is right miffed, claiming it's all about independence and that the Greens shouldn't have this sort of representation. The Greens were all list MSPs, but we should just ignore that tories got >85% of their seats via the list system too - including the Dougster himself. Rather interestingly, he completely glosses over his calls for tactical voting at the Scottish Elections in order to return a unionist majority. Now, apparently, such agreements is an outrage. Also side stepping his own paymasters South of the border ramming home the highly dubious mandate of Brexit by having to pay vast fortunes to the DUP. All this from a man who considered Holyrood to be so secondary he retains his Westminster seat. Always nice to have a second job to keep the bills paid, right? Anyway, for anyone not yet aware, here is the agreement (in draft form): https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-government-and-scottish-green-party-cooperation-agreement/ And here is how the BBC are covering it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58272209

Super John, loves the club, cares for everyone.

https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Managers_Post_Raith_Rovers&ID=13297 Mcglynn getting emotional talking about Vaughan....

If you have a sick joke to make then make it, don't dance around trying to make sure people know you thought of it but without taking the flak for making a joke about someone dying.

Just saw I'm one of the top posters on this thread and away to walk in front of a tram