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The decline that saw Linlithgow within a game or 2 of winning the league, into the last 16 of the Scottish cup, going unbeaten at home? The reality is, a section of you constantly look to blame other people without ever turning the mirror and looking at yourself. You stand and crucify players and managers who are there, giving 100%. Support effort aswell as results. Its a shame because there’s some very nice, hard working people at that club, but people like you bring the reputation of the whole place down. You brought back Bradley, and absolutely slaughtered him. Given his previous achievements surely he had at least earned the curtesy of respect? Your right, in years time no one will remember me or today’s performance. The goal today was staying in touch with Boness, my personal performance was merely a bonus. Your opinion of me is yours and your entitled to it. To be honest tho I’m probably walking into your team with ma hands cable tied behind my back, however I digress. The reality you have to face now, is that Boness are no longer your biggest rivals, Camelon are, and it’s because of “supporters” like you. You have a reputation, no one wants to play there anymore, and your best players who are holding it together for you are not getting any younger. Id class those 5 players, Thom, Strickland, mcklennans and Coyne as irreplaceable. When they go then what? No one will talk about ali adams in years to come; your right, but will they be talking about Linlithgow? Keep clinging onto the past. Years later your still saying the same shite, with the same solutions to the same problems you’ve had for years now, whilst everyone is overtaking you. The problem, lies with you. Do the good people there a favour and delete these accounts, and stop slaughtering your own. because they do read it, and it is demoralising, believe me I know. And just for what it’s worth, some game eh Hahahaha fucking get it up ye man that’s not uncommon either I do that weekly. Take care last post from me, account deleted. Big club no more. theholygoalie

I can give you 1,940 reasons why it must be a city wide thing.

Every time I see a manager saying Dens is a really tough place to come and play, I want to punch them squarely in the face. I cannot think of another ground in Scottish football where an away win is more achievable.

Ok, here it is.

I normally come away from having watched a managers post match interview with a little encouragement. McPake's post match interview on Dee TV suggests he's done. Not officially, not like he will get sacked or anything but just his general demeanour. He's a broken man presiding over a broken club being watched or avoided as was the case last night, by a broken support. His statistics are worse than Kernaghan's. Only the fact that McIntyre was our manager last season saves me from saying McPake is our worst ever. I thought I was at my lowest supporting Dundee when John Brown was appointed little more than half a decade ago. This is so, so, so much worse. Unimaginably worse. McCann annoys me more than most. Squandering hundreds of thousands on the likes of Jack Hamilton. He started this rot and two complete and utter duds have carried on his work.

I’m going to give Mr McKinnon the benefit of the doubt in that he chose this fixture to experiment on a few things and sacrifice the feelgood factor for some rapid learning about his players. He’s probably learned more than he wanted to. Killie did their job wonderfully, no question. Holding the ball, sharp and crisp passing, brutally good finishing. And a Chris Burke too. So we can dry our eyes and relax because none of that quality is available in L2. So what was difference from the previous round? Simply, how our team was set up. At Dumfries we were at them from the off. Pressed the game high up the pitch and forced long balls. Got really close to the opposition and let them know. A chip on the ankle bone; elbow in the ribs; wee dunt in the thighs. Yesterday, our 5 man back line and three man midfield were about 10 metres apart and sitting very deep. Not doing anything to disrupt Killie, just waiting to parry the assault. And on it came, again and again. Fair enough if Ray was wanting to see how his defensive tactics could cope with his players ability, or vice-versa, but by half-time that learning curve was bent out of shape and I hoped he would reshape and test the attacking capability in the second half. Nope. Same as the first half. Same result. The next couple of weeks will tell. If the window closes and McKinnon hasn’t found anything better we might be in trouble. I know the club are looking but it’ll be a while before decent pros see QP as a real prospect. And on yesterday’s showing there’s a fair number of individuals unable or unwilling to compete. With yet another “critical four game spell” coming up there’s much to be done. A seamless performance from Killie. All the best in the next round. Thanks for the hospitality.

I drove from Newmacher just to the north of Aberdeen and via the new AWPR last nite to Perth where I stopped for a bit,in under 2 hrs on the way home from Buckie v Vale. Passed thru Angus and Dundee on the way,the travel excuse to the Aberdeenshire and Moray HL sides for Tayside teams is a hutch of pish,particularly Angus clubs!! This pandering to a bunch of egotistical maniacs is beyond me,time and again they have been invited,asked to join and yet all the LL,EoS and to a lesser degree the HL have got is abuse!!!

Don't tell me they've created a new post for him already

Compared with the game against County last season - The Ross McCormack Shitshow - the first half was everything that game wasn't. We pressed, picked up second balls and given the 3 week break we generally looked "at it". Pretty much everything you'd want to see in order to avoid criticism coming back off a jaunt to Tenerife on a training camp. Which is nice. The second half...less so. As far as Seedorf goes we'll always have Tynecastle but he honestly looked like he was heading towards being sub-subbed. The drop off from Hylton to him was stark. The concern for me wasn't just that on an individual level he was a bit pish - Hartley's passing was an absolute shambles and seemed to get worse the harder he tried - but rather the drop in performance when Seedorf came on affected the team as a whole. Where Hylton was getting us high up the park and squaring up Kerr - allowing everyone else to squeeze up - the fact that the ball just wouldn't stick after he went off caused us the sort of problems that would have fucked us if we had been playing....any team that wasn't Dundee probably. Tie that in with us just stopping doing the simple stuff that had us largely controlling the game in favour of basically making life really difficult for ourselves then it could definitely have gone wrong. Similarly, I think everyone can see why Stephen Robinson would absolutely fucking love Mark O'Hara but he's 100% playing in the wrong Robinson team. It's been said before but stick him in the 'Andy Rose Role' where he's striding around box to box and picking up 2nd balls off Bad News Bowman, Moult, Main or Ciftci and he's absolutely your boy. Having him as a pivot in a midfield 3 and trying to dictate tempo and taking on opponents 25 yards from his own goal...oooft! I mean, it's pretty churlish to knock a 3-0 away win, clean sheet and all. Especially in context of having been pumped out at the same stage last season - so I won't. Overall there was loads to like: Campbell, as I said earlier, is fucking brilliant, Long's now our joint top scorer for the season (I think) and his general play was very good, Polworth and Gallagher continue to be ballers. So that's good.

Get well soon and a speedy recovery to the lady that was being treated by medics in the Clyde end today. Hope your back amongst us soon shouting on the Bully Wee. Keep safe.

Walked down the Hope Street Road to Morrissons the day. Christ the memories, standing on the railway bridge askin will you lift me over Mr. The smell of Aikens brewing the beer. Goin round the terracing looking for empty juice bottles & getin 2p for an empty. The smell of the linament, the bovril , cigarette smoke. In the winter looking to see if the flag flying @ the hope street end meant the game was on . Heading up the toon after the game & trying to jostle your way to the front to see the videoprinter showing the days results. (No Jeff Stelling then) ah bloody memories

Tremendous noise when Bairds goal went in. The away support has been immense this season, it has to be said.

Any chance you can feck off back to the darvel thread andy and do your trolling there. Darvel bellend will be missing you.

Roary Rover is hard as f**k. Also enjoys a sesh.

One year ago today Gents, a day for us all to enjoy

For me, you keep obfuscating the possible (which covers a huge range of things including no change, which incidentally isn't on the options paper) with the probable. There doesn't seem to be any acknowledgement of the power boundaries in any of your musing. Let's just consider Option Z, as it's the one you are pushing and who would need to agree (having effective veto) over the proposed changes: Agreement to split LL: LL, SPFL, SFA, EoS, SoS, HL. LL: What is the benefit for the LL? Why would they give up one of free bargaining chips they have for automatic promotion, while at the same time reducing by a third their current promotion prospects, just to support the juniors? Surely you accept there's nothing in this for current LL clubs top or bottom? In which case, why are they going to vote for it, like they would need to do? Not to mention it still contains ERSJFA at Tier 6 as part of the plan which was unanimously rejected last year. SPFL: Were quite clear at the outset that they wanted 1 feeder league, conceded to 2 with a playoff. Unlikely to be looking at a split to 3 favourably and surely clubs at the bottom would be looking at the potential makeup of the 2 LL divisions and thinking "f*ck me we're never coming back if we get relegation into either of those" What's in it for the SPFL to vote in favour, to suit only the Juniors and potentially Montrose and Brechin if the boundary change is a bargaining chip (their reasons around player location at best a nonsense)? SFA: No real skin in the game so likely to support whatever most likely to gain consensus with minimal fuss EoS: ERSJFA at Tier 6, already unanimously rejected SoS: not likely to be overly concerned, but would they accept the theory that WRSJFA jump in above them? To be seen HL: Being asked to take a reduction in promotion potential by a third in order to benefit the South of the Tay juniors. What's in it for them, even with their alleged objection to promotion, to hand double promotion spots to their LL counterparts. Given this plan needs rules changed which these bodies would all need to agree to and there are at least 2, potentially 4 in that list who won't agree, the probability of this option being adopted are decidedly slim. Minuscule. If I pre-empt your next point about "potentially not needing rule changes" that simply can't be. Even if we presume that in the highly unlikely scenario that only the LL and EoS object the SPFL and SFA can still alter the SPFL playoff rules to include a third league, you would have no way of forcing current LL members West based into that league, meaning a LL West with all new teams and a LL East with West based teams. As you would simply be plugging a new league in at Tier 5 without consensus, there would be no compelling reason for the LL/EoS/SoS to change their current promotion rules to the current LL (renamed East) to include the ERSJFA at Tier 6, ergo no juniors in as a block. The simple truth here is that most people want a working pyramid, but each have their own red lines (which in all honesty are mostly perfectly sensible) and there's no one body (based on all the evidence we've seen) can steamroller through change without agreement which will mean concession. And from one area in particular, there is no concession. I see no benefit in plan Z to anyone other than the Juniors, who would be getting their proverbial cake and eating it, if by some miracle plan Z was adopted. So, for all those reasons I reiterate, the simplest and most achievable of the plans in the paper is W, West comes in next year and we work on the other issues going forward. Everyone who needs to has essentially agreed to that plan already, except the SJFA, for reasons suspected to be around nothing more than self preservation of officials.

Of al the staunch and staunch-adjacent teams in Scottish football, Airdrie are the best at it. That Trump banner is very funny.

Chrissy Long has got it going on.

Even in the short clips he was doing the voiceover for David Currie managed to be just as horrific as he is on the radio. He’s unbelievably smug for someone that genuinely unfunny.

Estimate of a 1000 home attendance or of thereabouts tonight. (Certainly appeared less on screen) My only surprise being it hit 4 figures to be perfectly honest. All's good though Mr Nelms, move along, nothing to see here. Let's all continue to sleepwalk whilst watching a Motherwell training session on live television. Regards

How many of the teams that moved from junior to senior in the EOSFL for season 2018/19 would have deemed themselves as ambitious or progressive clubs when they joined? I suspect that the majority only moved as part of a critical mass, just so that they wouldn't be left behind. If you asked the same question again, I'd suggest that many more clubs would now view themselves as ambitious. You only need to look at the step change in facilities at grounds, attendances, the increased commitment to development teams and a desire to become licensed in order that they can reap the potential benefits of access to higher leagues and funds from cup competitions. The challenge is there for the West Juniors. How many clubs are ambitious enough to join the pyramid, and replicate what the Juniors in the East have done? We saw earlier today what can be achieved, as both Bonnyrigg and Broxburn played in the 4th round of the big Scottish Cup, Bonnyrigg in front of a sell out crowd of over 2,200 and Broxburn selling out an away allocation of 1,600. That is success and progress for clubs that are truly ambitious. I don't think that it would take many sides in the West to create a critical mass, but it does need one or two of the leading sides to demonstrate that they do want to progress, rather than settle for being the big fish in a diminishing pond, sweeping up the crumbs that remain in the juniors.

*Should have *Should have *Shouldn’t have The stewards were worried someone might watch the football without paying £15 to stand on the coldest terrace in Scotland next to a “Pie Shop” that didn’t sell pies and ran out of hot fucking water.

Great luck being drawn away to pie & beans in the cup.

Can’t wait to see @ali_91 standing there seething at our songbook. Glorious.

Can't see anything but a Clyde win, who are Celtic?

I'd rather the west fights it's own corner instead of grade solidarity with the east for no logical reason as at end of the day upon entering the pyramid clubs would be senior anyway. That & I have zero desire to screw over the EOS who are rightfully the senior league in that part of world & have been a class act throughout the pyramid process despite some in junior circles potraying them as the bad guys in all this. The EOS & by proxy the LL reasoning for rejecting the the ERJFA entering wholesale into the pyramid is valid & built on reason plus logic. To keep up the 'solidarity with our fellow juniors' approach delays west entry pure & simple.

The same boring comments at BSC, they started in 2014 and despite some difficult issues (ground) managed to establish themselves as a good LL club with an excellent set-up and this season great cup performances. Hats of to them for this all. I hope they get a bumper pay day which can help them off the pitch as well.

Really hope we have a goalkeeper in for this. It’s just not as fun laughing at Scully when you know Hamilton is likely to repay any favours he does us

If you do buy Scotstoun, take the Alloa pie hut with you.

^^^turned up uninvited at my boat with f**k all.

That is what you call a HiDee goal.

"It might be a Hibs win, by quite a few goals. I don't see Hibernian conceding a goal, but maybe they will. Could be one and quite possibly more."

One of the best posts in P&B history!

Coll Donaldson, Billy McKay, Ross Draper and Joe Chalmers would probably say otherwise.

Thirsty Bino Supporters

The PT vs FT question is a choice between a rock and a hard place really. Going PT would be a massive backwards step. It would fuel the argument the club have no ambition and “don’t want to go up”, it would hit crowds, and would eventually lead to relegation. Sadly our current plight as the “smallest full time team” doesn’t offer much greater prospects. It does feel a bit like the club needs a fresh impetus and some new ideas. It could certainly do with some new investment. I don’t think there are long queues of people desperate to offer either unfortunately.

"expressions of positive views about minority groups that are not intended to demonstrate less positive attitudes towards them, but which may still produce negative consequences". From the charity Stonewall. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_prejudice Probably best dropping song, tbh.

P.S. Don't distract from the tenet of this thread. The auld c*nt is an odious individual and always has been. I'm more worried that nobody stopped him the moment he said it.

Still gives us a better chance than actually playing a game of football.

It's racist, and it's completely horrific to see folk defending it. Need to have a word with themselves, it's a personal and very stereotypical chant which has been condemned by anti-racism charities and players who it was targeted towards. It's outright racist, that's without debate

Its an open forum, stop trying to bully those who aren't being fed information by the SJFA and their lickspittles.

FTFY

Bit redundant tonight but...

What’s racist about it? It’s a pat on the back humour . The pearl clutching offended man mums, like you are the only ones offended. They don’t need you to look after them. They would tell you to f**k off