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I think almost everyone on this forum is in agreement that Celtic winning every available trophy is depressingly bad for Scottish football. A small comfort for many of us is that their latest victory came in the most heartbreaking fashion for the most unlikable, bigoted arseholes in world football.

You seem to have this rather arrogant view that you're the only one who remembers Scottish football is depressingly distorted to favour two horrible teams, despite the fact it gets discussed on the forum on a daily basis. Folk watched the domestic cup final yesterday and took as much joy from it as was possible. If you spend your time worrying that laughing too much makes you 'pro Celtic' then you sir have got yourself lost in the hideous OF bubble that is Scottish football.

The Derek McInnes debacle has simply confirmed what most of us already knew; the Banter Years are never going away. As @djchapsticks correctly pointed out in the The Rangers Next Permanent Manager thread: I believe that a full, comprehensive list of these fuckups needs to be kept enshrined somewhere on the internet, and where better to do so than on Pie and Bovril. All contributions welcome, and will be updating the OP with the best of the moments that you can remember from the last 5 years. Let's get the ball rolling, shall we? The Banter Years 2011/12 13th February 2012: Rangers announce their intention to go into Administration. 14th February 2012: Rangers go into Administration and are docked 10 points, ending any hope a title bid. Fans gather outside the gates of Ibrox demanding answers, and one declares to the news cameras that 'the big hoose must stay open!', regardless of what happens next. 16th February 2012: Manager Ally McCoist is interviewed from his car window, defiantly stating that 'we don't do walking away.' 18th February 2012: The fans pack Ibrox to the rafters, looking to send a defiant message to the rest of Scottish football. Kilmarnock beat them 1-0. 3rd March 2012: Rumours surface that Rangers will not be granted a licence to compete in Europe next season, owing to accounts from 2011 not being submitted to UEFA. Little do they realise that, where they're heading, they won't be needing to worry about qualifying for European football any time soon. 5th April 2012: Rangers' debts are estimated to be some £134m, including just shy of £100m owed to HMRC. 7th April 2012: There is a full stadium display at Ibrox, whereby fans are encouraged to 'show a red card to liquidation'. Who can forget this hilarious Union Bears display? 13th May 2012: A consortium - led by Charles Green - agrees to buy the club from Craig Whyte, confident of securing a CVA with HMRC in order to 'preserve the club's history'. 2012/13 12th June 2012: Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (yes, the same Her Majesty who Rangers fans sing their praises of) announce that they will reject the Company Voluntary Agreement that would've spared Rangers from being liquidated. 4th July 2012: Newco Rangers are refused entry into the SPL. The hope is that they will be admitted into the SFL's top tier, Division 1, allowing a swift return to the top flight. 13th July 2012: Rangers instead are ordered to start life in the 3rd Division, at that time the lowest tier of the Scottish football pyramid. 29th July 2012: Rangers need extra time to beat Brechin in the first round of the Ramsdens Cup. The ball also gets stuck on top of the famous Glebe Park hedge. 7th August 2012: Kevin Kyle signs, he later recalls: 'I sat down with the manager and he asked what I was looking for. I just said a crazy figure and almost got what I wanted'. 11th August 2012: Rangers' first game in the 3rd Division ends in a 2-2 draw at Peterhead. They need a last minute equaliser from Andy Little to rescue them from defeat. 18th September 2012: Rangers are knocked out of the Ramsdens Cup on penalties at home to Queen of the South. 6th October 2012: Rangers lose to Stirling Albion, who are not only bottom of the table at the time, but also without a manager for the day, as Greig McDonald is busy getting married. After seven games, Rangers' Third Division record reads played 7, won 3, drawn 3 and lost 1. 23rd November 2012: Elgin City vs Rangers is postponed, after Elgin sell too many tickets and have to call off the game on safety grounds. 2nd December 2012: Rangers beat Elgin 3-0 in the Scottish Cup Fourth Round, but a dancing fan in the away end steals the limelight. 26th December 2012: Clyde fans unveil a banner at Ibrox, wishing Rangers a happy first Christmas. Both in the stadium and after the game, it goes down well. 29th December 2012: Some 30,000 Rangers fans travel to Hampden to play Queens Park. They require a 91st minute winner against ten (amateur) men. Meanwhile, future multi-million pound player Andy Robertson plays a full 90 minutes at left back for Queens Park and escapes the notice of the Rangers scouts. 16th January 2013: Ally McCoist beams proudly, standing with the single greatest bar chart ever produced. 2nd February 2013: Rangers draw Dundee United away in the Scottish Cup fifth round, and the board declares a boycott of Tannadice. 365 Rangers fans turn up anyway and watch United dismantle them 3-0. 3rd April 2013: Francisco Sandaza is sacked after falling for a prank call from a Celtic fan masquerading as an agent, in which he expressed his desire to leave the club. 2013/14 24th July 2013: Rangers lose 1-0 in a friendly at Hillsborough. They unveil the worst banner ever seen, congratulating Prince William and Kate Middleton on having a baby. 3rd August 2013: Nicky Law's claims that Rangers can win the quadruple are extinguished by Forfar Athletic's extra-time victory in the League Cup. 12th September 2013: Ian Black is suspended for 10 games by the SFA after admitting to placing bets on football matches. 22nd September 2013: Rangers exact revenge on Forfar in the league with a 1-0 win. Ally McCoist blames the wind for Rangers not scoring more. 14th December 2013: Stenhousemuir vs Rangers is postponed, it is mistakenly thought at first to have been high winds that caused a burger van blows into a temporary stand at Ochilview. 4th January 2014: Ally McCoist goes to the media and complains about a fixture pile up of 4 games in 11 days, despite his side being 14 points clear at the top and having a wage bill at least 10 times the size of anyone else's in League One. 22nd February 2014: A rare slip up for Rangers in the league as they draw 3-3 at home to Stenhousemuir. Sean Higgins' late equaliser from the penalty spot - and his subsequent celebration - sends Rangers TV commentator Tom Miller into meltdown. 6th April 2014: This can arguably be termed the first big loss of the Banter Years. Rangers, who had players talking up the possibilities of quadruples at the start of this season, lose the Challenge Cup final in extra time against Raith Rovers. 7th April 2014: Furious backlash as Rangers' staff party goes ahead as scheduled. Ally McCoist is caught doing karaoke just hours after loss to Raith. 12th April 2014: Despite being handed home advantage in a Scottish Cup semi final, Rangers lose 3-1 to Dundee United. Simonsen's gift for United's third sums it up. 2014/15 27th June 2014: Kris Boyd returns to Rangers, he winds up scoring just 3 goals in 29 Championship games. He goes on to be brilliant once again at Kilmarnock. 10th August 2014: Rangers find themselves in the Championship with both Hearts and Hibs. On the opening day, trailing 1-0 to Hearts in injury time, they pull a last minute equaliser out of the bag to rescue a point. Except Osman Sow has other ideas, as he runs up the park, slots it past Cammy Bell, and gives Hearts the three points and the springboard to cruise to the title. 3rd September 2014: It is revealed that, in 2012, Mike Ashley bought the naming rights to Ibrox for a quid. 1st November 2014: Rangers progress to the League Cup semi final, and are drawn against Celtic for the first game between the two clubs since 2012. There's a lot of excitement from the watching bears. Little do they realise how sick they'll grow of playing Celtic soon enough. 3rd December 2014: Rangers are 2-0 up at Alloa and cruising into the Petrofac Training Cup final. Alloa score three goals in the last twenty minutes to knock them out. 12th December 2014: Ally McCoist offers his resignation, it's all up in the air for a few days and Rangers eventually confirm this. But he carries on as manager until... 21st December 2014: Ally McCoist is placed on gardening leave. Kenny McDowall, with all the willingness of an Iranian hostage, becomes caretaker. 22nd December 2014: The Rangers AGM to end all Rangers AGMs. Held in a gazebo, fans stuck in the away corner of Ibrox, everybody boos. Just glorious. 27th December 2014: Hibs demolish Rangers 4-0 at Easter Road. Ian Black is substituted before half time, caretaker Kenny McDowall looks lost, and Hearts go 15 points clear at the top. 16th January 2015: Rangers and Hearts meet for a 'top of the table' clash in snowy conditions. The match is quickly abandoned. Protesting Rangers fans then try breaking into Ibrox, in a comedic precursor to the storming of the US Capitol building. 20th January 2015: Jim White interviews Charles Green at his bedside in the hospital. It's bigger than Frost-Nixon. 8th February 2015: Raith Rovers have further cup trouble in store for Rangers, the ground's almost empty and Rangers are dumped out of the Scottish Cup. 7th March 2015: Just a week after Hearts demolish Cowdenbeath 10-0, Rangers can only manage a 0-0 draw against the Blue Brazil. 12th March 2015: Stuart McCall is appointed Rangers manager. He starts off with home draws to relegation fodder Livingston and Alloa. 17th March 2015: In the latter of these two games, an Ibrox attendee is convinced that Alloa are up to no good as usual. 2nd May 2015: Despite comfortably having the biggest budget in the league, Rangers finish third, after a 2-2 draw at champions Hearts. 28th May 2015: After seeing off Queen of the South and Hibs, a full house at Ibrox watches on expectantly as Motherwell win 3-1 in the first leg of the play-off final. 31st May 2015: This is the second big game in the Banter Years. Rangers go to Fir Park knowing anything less than a 2 goal win is insufficient. They lose 3-0 instead, a 6-1 aggregate overall. Here are just some of the incidents that occur: Lee McCulloch nearly has his eye taken out by a flag, Cammy Bell punches a looping ball into his own net, Bilel Mohsni and Lee Erwin get into a post-match scrap, and Motherwell fans invade the pitch to goad the tiny allocation that Rangers were given. Rangers stay in the Championship for a second season, and their grand sweep back to the top flight of Scottish football is derailed. 2015/16 15th June 2015: Mark Warburton becomes Rangers manager. On paper it's a pretty good appointment. 25th July 2015: Rangers get off to a flyer with a 6-2 win over Hibs in the Challenge Cup. A good result, although their fans are preoccupied welcoming Hibs player Scott Allan (who has been linked with them all summer) to their club, just as they did a decade ago with Scott Brown. 13th August 2015: Boyhood Rangers fan Scott Allan ends up joining Celtic instead. Hibs also get Liam Henderson out of the deal, he'll reappear later. 22nd September 2015: Rangers' storming start to the season is finally put on hold by St Johnstone in a 3-1 defeat at Ibrox in the League Cup. 19th December 2015: Despite said start, Rangers chuck away an 8 point lead at the top. A defeat at Falkirk means they're now level on points with Hibs. 10th April 2016: Finally - on attempt number four - Rangers win the Challenge Cup, having wrapped up the league a few days earlier. Things are looking up. 17th April 2016: In the Scottish Cup semi final, Rangers lay down a marker by knocking Celtic out on penalties. This is it. They're back. We've got a title race on next season, and Rangers only have to beat Hibs in the final to secure European football and crown a fantastic season. 21st May 2016: Not so fast. Hibs beat Rangers 3-2 in the Scottish Cup final. I'm biased, but this arguably might be the absolute peak of the Banter Years, solely because of what happens next. David Gray heads in a last minute winner, the full time whistle blows and thousands of Hibs supporters run on the park. A couple of fans goad/mildly irritate Rangers players, who subsequently refuse to collect their runner up medals. A handful of Rangers fans attempt to restore order by going onto the pitch themselves, and scuffles break out. Rangers then release an utter heads gone of a statement, and claims are made that all 11 Rangers players have been attacked. 22nd May 2016: The true dawn of the Statement Era starts here. Rangers, sore from the defeat the day before, double down on their original statement. The website crashes as the whole of Scottish football attempts to get on and read it. 2016-17 24th May 2016: Rangers sign Joey Barton. Joey Barton immediately goes on the offensive promising all sorts of 'I'll take on Celtic single-handedly' stuff. 6th August 2016: Rangers fans unveil a big stadium display promising that they're 'GOING FOR 55'. Mark Warburton admits a few years later that his 'heart sank' when he saw the display, as it was a hugely optimistic goal. They proceed to draw 1-1 at home to Hamilton Accies. 19th August 2016: Joey 'this Scottish football lark is easy' Barton meets Killie left back Greg Taylor, who takes a red card for the team in every sense of the phrase. 20th August 2016: Rangers sign Joe Garner for £1.8m, their first £1m+ signing of the Banter Years. He doesn't even last a year. 10th September 2016: Rangers go to Parkhead for the first time since 2012, they lose 5-1. Moussa Dembélé bags a hat-trick and the gap looks very wide. 13th September 2016: In attempts at 'clear the air' talks after the defeat, Joey Barton and Andy Halliday get into a massive spat. Barton is sent home from training. 19th September 2016: Marquee summer signing Joey Barton is banned from training for 3 weeks. 25th September 2016: Rangers go to Pittodrie, James Maddison curls in a last minute winner for the Dons. Warburton rages about the free kick being given. 10th November 2016: Joey Barton leaves Rangers, with his autobiography firmly promoted. 16th November 2016: Martyn Waghorn, carrying a fish supper, is called "shite" by a schoolchild. Waghorn confronts the kid, who doesn't back down. It goes viral on Twitter. 23rd December 2016: Rangers fans hijack the generic Glad All Over chant to serenade Joey Garner, they try to take it to #1 in the Christmas charts. In their infinite delusion, they believe that they're close to doing so, when in fact they've only managed to get the song to 31st. 1st February 2017: Ian Cathro's Hearts beat Rangers 4-1. That is not a typo. 10th February 2017: Mark Warburton resigns. Except he hasn't. Except he has. Except he hasn't. Except he has. This goes on all night, and eventually it's revealed that Warburton tried to jump ship to Forest and the Rangers board called his bluff. All in all, it's a PR farce and Warburton slinks off. More statements released. 19th February 2017: Murtymania is running wild. Graeme Murty is the new caretaker manager and he leads his Rangers side to a defeat at Dens Park, their first in twenty games against Dundee. He inexplicably does a headstand. Hilarity ensues. 24th February 2017: Bottom club Inverness Caledonian Thistle also beat Murty's Rangers. It feels like everyone's getting in on the act now. 11th March 2017: Pedro Caixinha becomes Rangers manager on a three-year deal. His first task is to watch Rangers take another pumping at Celtic Park, but wait... 12th March 2017: A late Clint Hill goal rescues a point from Parkhead! The ballgirl behind the goals doesn't seem best pleased about it. Murty is now the messiah in the eyes of Rangers fans for drawing with Celtic, which shows just how low standards have fallen. 7th May 2017: Rangers beat Partick Thistle to secure a Europa League spot. Having spent a year moralising about pitch invasions, dozens of bears now spill onto the Firhill pitch to celebrate. 'The Banter Years are over!', they proclaim. 17th May 2017: Aberdeen win at Ibrox for the first time in 26 years, another proud Rangers record falls by the wayside. For levity, here's a Rangers fan making the most of their opportunity - running away from the ground with the ball when it comes to them. 21st May 2017: Rangers' 'Going for 55' season ends with them limping to 3rd, as close to St Johnstone in 4th as they are to Aberdeen in 2nd. Caixinha is kept on. 2017/18 19th June 2017: Rangers - starting their European journey with hopes of the group stages - are drawn against Progrès Niederkorn, minnows of the Luxembourg league. 29th June 2017: In mildly embarrassing circumstances, Rangers only win 1-0 at home in the first leg of their first European adventure in six years. The fans also throw paper aeroplanes at the Progrès keeper and will eventually be fined by UEFA for this. Anyway, they should surely have enough to get past Progrès out in Luxembourg? 4th July 2017: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Rangers lose 2-0 on the night and crash out of the Europa League 2-1 on aggregate at the very first hurdle. This is the JFK moment of the Banter Years, everyone will remember where they were. Pedro Caixinha is seen standing in a hedge, arguing with fans. 12th August 2017: Rangers welcome Hibs to Ibrox for the first match between the two sides since the 2016 Scottish Cup final. The fans smell blood and with Neil Lennon in charge of Hibs this has the feel of an Old Firm game. Remarkably it's kept off TV, but Hibs win 3-2 (again) and Neil Lennon gestures to the fans. 13th August 2017: Club 1872 suffer a severe cranial detachment about said gestures and release a statement applauding their fans for not being provoked. 22nd October 2017: Rangers, still on the hunt for their first bit of major silverware, take on Motherwell in the League Cup semi final, and lose 2-0. This is not really what any of their fans had expected, despite Louis Moult being a far better footballer than anything they have to offer. During the game, there are two elbows that go unpunished. Bruno Alves elbows Moult, while Rangers' Fábio Cardoso suffers a broken nose from a RyanBowman elbow and, you guessed it... 24th October 2017: Rangers suffer a severe cranial detachment as Bruno Alves is given a two game ban, while Bowman somehow gets off with nothing. 26th October 2017: After snatching a draw from the jaws of victory at home to Kilmarnock, Pedro Caixinha is sacked. A loyal servant to the Banter Years. 18th November 2017: Graeme Murty, somehow still in charge as caretaker of Rangers at this point as they've not bothered to replace Caixinha, oversees a 2-0 defeat at home to Hamilton Academical. It's the first time they've lost a league match at Ibrox against Accies in 91 years. 24th November 2017: Not to be outdone by his last stint as Rangers caretaker, Murty travels to the bottom club on a Friday night and loses 2-1. Again. 3rd December 2017: Graeme Murty guides Rangers to back-to-back victories in the space of a week over Derek McInnes' Aberdeen to move Rangers into second. 4th December 2017: But what's this? After 5 weeks of deliberation, Rangers have decided that they want Derek McInnes as their manager. The media tapping up goes into overdrive, it appears that Rangers have got their man until... 7th December 2017: Derek McInnes decides to stay at Aberdeen, Rangers release a pathetic 'didn't want him anyway' statement and use the word concomitant. 8th December 2017: In Aberdeen's next match, their fans unveil a banner reading 'Concomitant you Reds'. 11th March 2018: Celtic go to Ibrox with Rangers knowing that a win for them will take them just 3 points behind, the title race is on when Josh Windass fires Rangers into a lead. With the game delicately poised at 2-2, Celtic are reduced to ten men. Surely this is the moment for Rangers to pounce? No, Édouard scores and 10 man Celtic win 3-2. 15th April 2018: But Rangers have one more chance to stop Celtic's double treble in their tracks. Instead, Celtic cruise to the sort of victory now becoming alarmingly familiar to Rangers fans. It finishes 4-0. Meanwhile, boyhood Rangers fan Andy Halliday is substituted before half time, and Daniiel Candeias storms down the tunnel when he's taken off. Celtic are now undefeated in ten derbies. 17th April 2018: Captain Lee Wallace and veteran striker Kenny Miller are suspended after an altercation with Graeme Murty. The club is in turmoil. 24th April 2018: Hibs cut Rangers' away allocation at Easter Road for the final game of the season. Rangers release a late night statement full of tears and snotters, swearing revenge on Hibs for having the audacity to turn away the blue pound. It's not the first statement about Hibs that Jim Traynor has scrawled in crayon. 29th April 2018: As long as Rangers can avoid defeat at Parkhead, Celtic will not be able to win the title against their bitter rivals. This plan falls apart as Celtic race to a 5-0 lead within 53 minutes. Quite honestly, Celtic taking their foot off the gas is all that stops it being much, much worse for the Ibrox side. 1st May 2018: Graeme Murty is removed from his position as Rangers manager. Just who does Dave King turn to now? 4th May 2018: Steven Gerrard is appointed as the next manager of Rangers, with much pomp and fanfare from the Ibrox club. 13th May 2018: Rangers, who famously refuse to settle for second best, are forced to settle for third for the second consecutive season. They end on a high note, drawing 5-5 with Hibs at Easter Road in a match that went from the hosts being 3-0 up, to Rangers leading 5-3, to Jamie Maclaren rescuing a point with a last minute equaliser. Neil Lennon, a permanent thorn in Rangers' side, celebrates Hibs' last minute equaliser by pretending that he is an aeroplane. 2018/19 5th August 2018: A late equaliser from Aberdeen's Bruce Anderson denies Steven Gerrard his first three points as Rangers manager. He's not worried, though, as he proclaims that Rangers are 'a class above' Aberdeen - a quote that may reemerge later. Alfredo Morelos earns his first of three red cards against Aberdeen this season. 12th August 2018: A full stadium display is planned for Rangers' first domestic home game under Gerrard, the message is simple: 'Our Club, Our City'. Unfortunately, it gets leaked again, and the visiting St Mirren fans take full advantage. 23rd August 2018: Rangers have made a flying start to the Gerrard era. In a pre-match press conference days before their game at Fir Park, Motherwell captain Peter Hartley remarks that seeing Fábio Cardoso break his nose in last season's League Cup semi final 'was fun to watch, the way he was weeping.' He is forced to apologise. 26th August 2018: Peter Hartley scores an injury time header to snatch a point against Rangers. 28th October 2018: After all sorts of ticketing rows and statements, Rangers meet Aberdeen in the League Cup semi final. With Celtic having beaten Hearts earlier in the day, Rangers know that they are 90 minutes away from a first Old Firm final since 2011. Once again, it doesn't go to plan. Lewis Ferguson, son of Rangers forward Derek, gets the late winner for Aberdeen. 8th November 2018: It's another heads gone statement from Rangers, and they don't even have the guts to tweet it through fear of ridicule. Daniel Candeias is (admittedly ridiculously) sent off by Willie Collum the previous Saturday, and upon finding out that their appeal is unsuccessful, the toys go out of the pram once again. 29th December 2018: Rangers win 1-0 against Celtic. Joyous scenes at Ibrox. They've finally seen off their bitter foe and the title race is on! 5th January 2019: With a three-way duel between Celtic, Rangers and Kilmarnock on the cards, Rangers take preventative steps and sign Jordan Jones from Kilmarnock. They won't need his services until the summer, however, so they opt to sign him on a pre-contract. There's always a risk with these deals that the player gets injured, or worse... 23rd January 2019: Jordan Jones scores the winner against his future club and deals their title hopes a massive blow in the process, as Kilmarnock beat Rangers 2-1 at Rugby Park. On social media, pockets of Rangers fans demand that his contract is torn up immediately. 3rd March 2019: Aberdeen hold Rangers to a draw in their Scottish Cup quarter final. They'll meet again a week on Tuesday at Ibrox, with Aberdeen in Glasgow to play Celtic just 72 hours earlier. It seems unlikely that Derek McInnes could pull off a third win in Glasgow over Rangers in a single season, something that no Aberdeen manager has ever done before. 12th March 2019: Rangers lose 2-0 to Aberdeen in the replay and crash out of the Scottish Cup. Aberdeen, a club previously synonymous with bottling games against the Old Firm in Glasgow, have now knocked Rangers out of both cup competitions. After 29 games, Rangers have only one point more in the league than they did last season. The natives are growing restless. 16th March 2019: The Vanguard Bears, a lovely bunch of people, organise a protest outside BBC Scotland's headquarters. They fail to account for the horrendous weather forecasted, and about thirty people stand behind a banner in the howling wind and rain. Meanwhile on the pitch, Kilmarnock have possession but luckily 'they're not going anywhere really'. The game ends 1-1. Steven Gerrard's interview with Rangers TV is Cathro levels of bad. 2019/20 18th July 2019: Rangers and Progrès Niederkorn are reacquainted in the Europa League once again. 13th Nov 2019: It emerges that the Banter Years might've been based on HMRC messing up a tax bill. Rangers supporters are...slightly hacked off by this. 15th Nov 2019: After a couple of days of pious indignation from the Rangers support, HMRC's response firmly shuts down this suggestion. 8th Dec 2019: Rangers and Celtic meet in the League Cup Final. It is surely now a chance for Rangers to finally show that they're back and win silverware. They simply batter Celtic for the first hour without managing to score. Celtic somehow score on the counter with an offside goal. Rangers win a penalty and Celtic are reduced to ten men. Captain Tavernier soils himself and gives the ball to Alfredo 'has never scored against Celtic' Morelos, who promptly hits a weak penalty that man-of-the-match Fraser Forster saves well. Celtic go on to win their tenth consecutive trophy. Rangers are heartbroken, Ryan Jack is on the brink of tears at full time. 29th Dec 2019: In a turn up for the books, Rangers beat Celtic away from home for the first time since 2010. It's an excellent performance, and the Gers are now two points behind Celtic with a game in hand. However, its place in this thread is justified by the antics of Alfredo 'has never scored against Celtic' Morelos. Through on goal in the last minute of the game and with the chance to end his drought, the Colombian forward promptly dives to the floor and fools absolutely nobody. He receives and second yellow and, as he leaves the park, makes a cutting-his-throat gesture at the Celtic fans. 30th Dec 2019: To prove that they are as dignified in victory as they are in defeat, Rangers release a statement. It covers topics such as criticising Kevin Clancy's refereeing performance, calling for the introduction of VAR into Scottish football, and excusing Morelos' gesture under the grounds that it is simply 'South American'. 26th Jan 2020: Rangers' traditional January slump continues with a defeat at bottom club Hearts, giving Tynecastle boss Daniel Stendel his first league win. Rangers' precious game in hand has been squandered before they even had the chance to play it. A Hearts fan does Ryan Kent a belter and a camera is on hand to capture the moment. 29th Jan 2020: News breaks that a man has tampered with Alfredo Morelos' car. Many Rangers fans immediately take to the internet to moralise, not just against the (presumed) Celtic fan guilty for this action, but also against pundits with an "anti-Rangers agenda", such as Chris Sutton. At first, this seems like a very serious incident that has no place on this list, until... 1st Feb 2020: A Sunday Mail exclusive drops late on Saturday night, which claims that the car tamperer in question is in fact a private investigator that Morelos' pregnant wife had hired because of suspicions that he was cheating on her. One can almost hear the sound of thousands of Rangers keyboards simultaneously hitting the backspace button. Oh, and this comes after Rangers are held to a frustrating 0-0 draw at home by a bang average Aberdeen side. 12th Feb 2020: Rangers lose 2-1 to Kilmarnock, courtesy of a late Eamonn Brophy winner at Rugby Park. Killie have by now unquestionably taken the baton from Hibs as the club who seem to exist purely to annoy Rangers. Gerrard's side are now ten points behind Celtic, and the title race now appears to be over. 26th Feb 2020: The league might be over, but there's plenty of cause for optimism in Europe. Having beaten Braga both at home and away, Rangers are into the last 16 of the Europa League. The very next night, Celtic are knocked out of the same tournament by F.C. Copenhagen. Even a tough draw against Bayer Leverkusen the following day can't damp the spirits of the Rangers support. 29th Feb 2020: A Scottish Cup quarter final defeat against bottom club Hearts, however? Yeah, that might do it. Daniel Stendel earns just his fourth win as manager (the others coming against third tier Airdrieonians and Falkirk) with a 1-0 victory over the Ibrox side. Both Tavernier and McGregor are at fault for the goal. Gerrard is verging on inconsolable in his interview. 4th Mar 2020: Rangers suffer their second league defeat at home to Hamilton Accies in three years. As mentioned previously, before these defeats they had not lost at home to Accies in the league since 1926. David Moyo benefits from Connor Goldson's generosity to score the only goal as Accies leave Govan with three points. As Hearts' win at Hibs 24 hours earlier had lifted them off the bottom, Rangers' defeat to Accies means they have suffered back-to-back defeats against the bottom side in the SPFL Premiership in the space of just four days. This is made all the funnier by many of those inside Ibrox carrying out a minute's applause in the eighth minute to honour manager Steven Gerrard. By the full time whistle, many Rangers fans want Gerrard gone. YouTube vlogger 'Thogden' is on hand to capture the seethe.

'Got plans for the weekend ?' 'Aye'

An Aberdeen fan crowdwanking Hibs

Imagining captaining your side in arguably the biggest game of the clubs short life against their biggest rivals, seeing them being awarded a penalty, then handing the ball to a player who had bottled the whole game. Imagine that was your team’s captain.

If McPake wants to salvage this and get the fans on side, he needs to inject some fire in the way he coaches. Too many times have I seen him in real time or in picture with his hands in his pockets and his eyes pointed to the ground. The lack of support from Jimmy 'sit n' do f**k all' Nicholl and the rest of the peanut gallery that form our management team is startling, and Jazza needs to know that the fight needs to come from him. The negativity from the manager embeds itself into the players, and thus they become flat and unimaginative. When the team suffers a setback or even a positive, they seem to switch off, hence why we've experienced so many collapses this season. The 10 minutes of torture in the 6-2 derby, the last second goal from Aberdeen, Partick's 3 goals in 7 minutes, Ayr's goal against us, Morton's equaliser, and of course QotS' winner, all lapses in concentration caused by the negative, uninspired attitude of the team. Aside from the freak results at Tannadice and against Partick, we aren't getting 'hammered' by teams. We're conceding just enough to make us need desperately to rely on the strikers scoring from the meager amount of attempts they are able to have with the shitty service they get. Skill-wise we're relatively fine (Mackie and possibly Forster notwithstanding), it's the mental issues that we suffer from, and that is largely down to the mentality of management. The crowd response is also now a factor, but I see that as more of a product of the downward spiral rather than a cause of it. I read McPake's analyses every week, and every week we f**k up his response is to not make any excuses, but not offer much emotional opinion. I understand the wish to be respectful and professional, but never do I get the impression he is angry, instead just sulking and promising things will improve. If you truly believe you're the right man for the job and your squad is to be a top team in the league, you better not be complacent about losing. I wouldn't believe for an instant a manager like Dick Campbell sulks after a loss and says "Oh well, we'll do better next week." I believe he would give his players a firm boot up the arse if he was upset and let them know exactly how they need to improve. McPake is new and doesn't have that confidence yet, but he needs to find it fast if he wants any chance of getting the dressing room and the fans back. Once Gowser came on on Saturday, the team got a boost and took control. Gowser is a far more important piece in this team than Byrne, as Gowser gives a shit every second of the game. I'm not saying Byrne doesn't give a shit, but with Gowser you know he's fired up, and he's going to fire up everyone around him by doing so. I'd say play the same team next week, except replace Byrne with McGowan (and obvs Mackie out for Marshall if the latter is fit). McPake needs to take inspiration from Gowser's attitude, let the players know what the f**k he's doing wrong and how he can improve that. I'd like to see a bit more animation out of him, more emotion. He needs to shed a bit of the meek respect he always gives, gain a sense of pride and believe he's the man for the job, and that "we're better than you, and we're going to fucking show you just how". If he believes that, the players will believe it, and the periods of quick passing, high tempo football we only play for short periods will become more consistent, the fans' attitude will improve, and the results will start coming. If he doesn't 100% believe he is the man and he knows how to get this team on all cylinders, and keeps looking down at his shoes at every setback instead of screaming for the lads to get their heads up and respond, he needs to resign. Simple as that.

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Are Dundee playing Aldershot any time soon?

This BBC documentary next year is going to be a straight up piss on season 1 Making a Murderer IMO.

Russia have always been cheating b*****ds in every sport. First Ivan Drago, now this.

Now I know you're telling lies...

Hearing the Scottish Christian Party are confident in Ross, Skye and Lochaber.

There's always a chance that the Dundee Law volcano might start up again. I'm told it was still erupting when Dundee last won the Scottish Cup.

I'll say no, but lets at least take some bodies.

That's exactly it for me. I laughed when Cluj knocked Celtic out of the Champions League, with a big part of that being the manner of the defeat at Parkhead. It's all about where the respective clubs lie on the arsehole scale, and the distance between them. I want Celtic to lose every game apart from when they play the handful of clubs further up the arsehole scale. IMO Rangers are comfortably and considerably further up that scale, so yesterday was the outcome I would have preferred. Same as when Celtic played Lazio, I'd have wanted Rangers to beat those goose-stepping p***ks too. The manner of it made it properly enjoyable though. If Celtic had been strolling to a run-of-the-mill win I'd have probably put the rugby on instead. If Rangers had won I'd have wanted it to be with the worst refereeing decisions in the history of football, and involving something that could be directly blamed on the SFA to fuel the oppression paranoia - turnstile failure at the east end of the ground perhaps, with the game still kicking off on time. You want to see the full heids-gone meltdown - but a Rangers meltdown is even funnier than a Celtic meltdown. I think it's the sense of entitlement and superiority that does it. While I'm here, can I ask in case I've missed something - why the particular glee at Ryan Jack?

Was one of they games that happen from time to time, ive seen rangers steal games like that and ive seen it happen to us previous, it'll happen again, we just need to carry on As for the goal and the penalty, thems the breaks, forster played well, the type of performances that bring about a penalty save As for VAR, still naw from me, we lost today when it could have helped, but footballs all about the 50/50 decisions that we can "discuss" with others, remove that and football is boring as f**k at times As for the resident celtic fans, enjoy the win you b*****ds

2019 and still no statue of Kirkcaldy's greatest athlete........hang your head in shame

I'm more than happy to play right back, if only to give Dave McKay the opportunity to scream "Not so fucking easy, is it!?" into my face.

Phone-call received at lunch-time to inform me that my German citizenship application had been approved. Get to pick up the certificate on Friday morning. Also able to hold dual citizenship, since the application had been filed whilst still an EU citizen. In other words Brexit can get to fück!

Posts that don't age well.

Why can't you believe that? They aren't very good.

Hi lads, first of all can I just say it looks like you are finally gonna get promoted this year, which is great for my bank balance as I backed yous this year, shankland seems to have done the trick, well done and best of luck for the rest of the season. Next up I hope you don’t mind, I do a podcast, mostly Livi chat but this week we interviewed Chris Erskine, I know he had a pretty unsuccessful spell with you guys, he spoke at length about his career including his time with Dundee Utd, under McNamara and Paatelainen. If you wanna give it a listen and skip over our chat you can find the interview around 22mins in... If you don’t have Spotify you can find us by just searching TalkLivi on your preferred streaming site, we are on nearly everything including YouTube, ITunes, Soundcloud etc This episode is also on our website, TalkLiviPodcast.Libsyn.com Thanks again, feedback welcome. Cheers.

Gifs ok?

So they've only managed to win one final (versus the mighty Peterhead) since their rebirth? Well worth going into huge debt for, again, IMO. Minter.

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About ten pages of 'build up' on this thread that apparently shows it's of massive interest to fans of all Scottish clubs. Just for comparison, there were sixty-odd pages of pre-match chat for the 2015 final between Falkirk and Caley.

Alfredo Morelos has hit out at his critics and missed.

Still dotting that Falkirk fan that had mental health problems and was getting stressed out by it? You're an absolute fuckwit. IMO.

It’s crazy. I genuinely don’t know how anyone can look at him and think ‘I want to vote for that’. Think how badly it reflects on the UK that we will vote in the most right-wing, hostile and just plain nasty, government that we’ve ever had. This all based on a referendum run on lies and ignorance. What an absolute f**k-up.

We haven’t even got to this stage yet:

The banter, the quality banter of the braindead arsecheek. An embarrassment as visitors to Glasgow encounter this shite spray painted everywhere along the M8. Kids and families are subjected to this shite, and increasingly, Union Bears and Green Brigade graffiti is being sprayed across vast swathes of the city. A laugh, eh? A bunch of ignorant thick cnuts that think Glasgow revolves around them. Here’s the news. It doesn’t.

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The pollsters are all over the place. Only certainty seems to be that the Tories will be the largest party but whether they get a majority or not is very much still in the balance. It's the hope that kills you. Well, either that or Tory austerity.

Bring back the CIS. (Constantly Injecting Substances)

It does make you wonder how many folk scoffed that their vote for the Nationalist Socialist party didn't mean that they had any ill feeling towards the Jews. /Godwin

That really is about it, isn't it. He's just listened to enough guff from xenophobes that he knows the right phrases to say in order to get their support. Truth and consequences are irrelevant. As far as him actually following through with the rhetoric, I think he'll do whatever's necessary to maintain support. I don't think there's a shred of genuine belief in that man's mind, other than that he deserves power and the trappings that go with it. There's plenty of that type around, but the really worrying thing is that there are so many people who don't care and will vote for him regardless, so long as he tells them the right lies. Oh well. Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out, I suppose.

So they're banned from the World Cup and Olympics, but it's perfectly fine for UEFA to let them compete in the Euros. It stinks.

Millwall 2-2 Nottingham Forest Thanks to the above posters for their advice, I'm so ****ing glad I came here! We arrived in London around 2.30pm and found a nice boozer next to King's Cross for a couple of hours. My mate and his wife were going down for the weekend too so we sort of tagged along with each other, and instead of my girlfriend coming, my mate came instead. Win win. Once we'd checked into the hotels, we took the walk from mine in Shoreditch, down to London Bridge. At this point we didn't have a lot of time for stopping as I wanted to get to The Den fairly early and sample the atmosphere. We ditched the ball and chains at London Bridge station around 6.45 and headed for the short train journey to South Bermondsey. From there a short walk up to The Den where we got our tickets. Asked the girl behind the counter to pick our seats for us, telling her I like a bit of an atmosphere. She stuck us slap bang in the middle of the Dockers Stand, a fine recommendation indeed. Got in the ground sharp and had 2 pints before the game started, and another at half time. Ground wasn't all that busy, but a good atmosphere nonetheless, and those Millwall boys are a very passionate bunch! Game itself was pretty decent. Millwall I felt were the better team and really ought to have killed the game off earlier but allowed Forest back in it. Forest brought on Lewis Grabban who changed the game for them as he scored 2 to put Forest 2-1 up. Millwall fans were giving him all kinds of stick from the minute he stepped on the park. Millwall did equalise fairly late on, and could've won it moments later, but a draw was the end result. Spoke to a few locals (one of which was actually a Chelsea fan) who couldn't have been any nicer and although a noisy, passionate and pretty foul mouthed bunch, they were all very good lads. Probably the best experience I've had at a game as a total neutral, and I can see myself going back there again.

Smokey Robinson and the Miracles-Going to a go-go

Toot sweet. Ffs.

Rangers are so dominant now that, from the principle of maximum seethe, the best result would be for Celtic to win 1-0 with a hotly disputed penalty kick/offside goal. The massive wave of righteous indignation and aggrieved sense of injustice would be a joy to behold.

I think every poster forum policeman that thinks this is the case should resign in a ridiculous tearful manner and then come back soon after named after the shittest character in a teenage fantasy series. Willow's girlfriend? She was pish. That'll do.