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Well, if he is, he'll playing for Dunfermline next season.

Only 12 days now until the start of the new season, the length of Peter Reid's management career at Man City in 93. Also the length of time Alan Ball lasted as boss of Man City in 96

Exactly, we need a proper league pumping that we can get outraged about.

Not saying that you are missing the point but you are missing the point here. It's not whether teams and fans are taking the competition seriously, It's the fact that the competition can't really be used as a reliable indicator for the league season.

Silence. Every time. Minute's applauses are for when one group of morons cant be trusted to keep quiet for a minute.

Whit? You not allowed to analyse and criticise anymore? How many games does he have to have played before we are allowed to start commenting on his performances. I could maybe see your point if we were hurling abuse at him from the stands but this is a discussion board to, ye ken, discuss things.

I'd like to think so, yeah. It's getting a bit trickier now that the players are back training and the League Cup is underway but we'll press on. Maybe record the long interviews once a fortnight and release part one one week and part two the next. I don't know. A dual interview might be decent fun - quite fancy getting Mick and Ross Dunlop on together. I'm looking forward to kicking off the forthcoming league season with my close associates at The Terrace next week; we're hoping Danny Denholm will be joining us to look ahead at 2018/19. No.

I suspect that I would have been one of the last to pull the trigger on most of them. In general I tend towards giving people the benefit of the doubt. Particularly when asked to do a difficult job in a competitive environment. I don't buy most of the hyperbole spouted on here about how shit everyone is all the time. It speaks to me of someone who doesn't appreciate how difficult a job it is being a football manager or running a club. Plenty of managers have failed temporarily and then come back stronger. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that virtually every established, successful manager has failed at some point and gone through periods where public opinion would have him sacked. You rarely see managers turning it around now because they are punted before getting a chance. To that extent, I agree with Mike Martin that constantly chopping and changing managers does very little good. That said, not every manager deserves the same amount of time and the harder you fail, the quicker you that patience will run out. I'd have sacked Laszlo before the end of last season when it became obvious that we weren't strong enough to compete for the title. At worst, it would have given the new manager the opportunity to get to know the squad before a rebuild in the summer, at best he might just have done enough to make a better of the play-offs. When that didn't happen and when Laszlo didn't go in the summer you have to draw breath and hope that he has the capacity to show improvement. The games so far strongly suggest that he doesn't have that capacity and I'd still punt him.

i wouldnt be overly concerned about him. he will perform consistently at about 6/10 all season. not great but enough. how about stephen? seems his career has fizzled out since he left dens seeking a "big" move. also a boy i rated Stephen McGinn has been nothing short of magnificent for us.

Your mum is too big to go down.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

I'm not 100% convinced that this match will have the same crowd as the Faroes game. Most people can only afford one match a week and any tourists in town looking for an "authentic Scottish football experience" might be swayed by the Hearts v Cowdenbeath fixture tomorrow night

Did similar to us a couple of years ago when he awarded St Johnstone 3 penalties in the 1st half. Got booed of at half time (which you would expect) but instead of getting inside pronto he strolled off, staring us out as he went. Agree, he is a dick!

This is largely where I am. I'm not disagreeing or white knighting Robinson but it's probably worth noting that there have, as yet, been no outgoings from our the first team. All our sellable assets are still at the club. Carson's still there, Kipré's still there, Cadden's still there. I'd imagine that probably frames the transfer business thus far. It feels to me, and I could be miles out, that the business we've done thus far is replacing/improving like for like(ish) those who were released. Clearly I've no idea what our budget's like but I'd doubt it's been increased any from last season irrespective of the cup runs. In that case the money we'd have available to recruit is whatever we were paying Griffiths, Plummer, Petravicius, Hendrie, Aldred and Ciftci. Given 3 of those were loans I don't think it's a massive leap to suggest that it's not going to be (relatively) a lot of money we've had to play with. Even more so when you factor in the contract extensions for Kipré, Tait, Dunne, Bowman, Rose and Grimshaw at the end of last season. You'd think at least 3 of those would have seen a decent wage bump. The logical (and fairly reasonable) counter to that is that it's a waste of budget, we should sign fewer players and we should be utilising the 'youth' players more. That's all fine and well until David Ferguson's getting his arse handed to him by Jordan Jones and hooked after 35 mins, Jack McMillan's getting reamed by a Dundee side sticking 5 past us in a first half or Dom Thomas is being hooked inside an hour against East Stirling. Also, at that point you find yourself with exactly the same argument folk were making when they were wringing their hands about the bold DT23 a few years back, we were stunting his development by only giving him 10-15 mins or he wasn't even getting off the bench. Thomas' subsequent failure to make a dent on a Killie side with one of the best managers in the league and eventual loan to the Championship (again) suggests that perhaps our judgement wasn't as flawed as some would have had you believe. I've spent the past few years on here talking up Jake Hastie and David Turnbull I think they're cracking players. I honestly think both have the potential to match or better the impact Cadden and Campbell have had and I 100% think they should both be in consideration for the first team but when it comes to it I'd rather they were getting regular 90 mins than sat on our bench and getting 10 mins on the off chance someone picks up an injury. Anyway, on the point of outgoings it seems quite significant that we had Bigi (presumably a relatively high earner) playing in all 3 friendlies but he's not featured/been risked in either of the squads for 'competitive' games.

So I should be embarrassed for posting a newspaper article about Rangers in The Rangers thread but you’re not even slightly embarrassed after making snide child abuse digs in the same thread, says it all about you. Your only come back in any situation is to attempt to appear intellectually superior to everyone else, in a football forum, no one cares, we can all see through your shit retorts. What age are you again? Late 50’s is it?

Take two points off for shite maths.

f**k off piracy

The argument over who was better out of Reid and McCall seems to come up once or twice a season. My view is McCall has achieved more than Reid in a shorter period of time and this will only be enhanced if he can keep us up this season. In just under 5 seasons at Ayr Brian Reid won the playoffs twice and both resulted in relegations after one season. I’d also add that whilst the first promotion was great it came after well and truly blowing the league against Alloa on the second last day. Both promotions resulted in relegations the following season. In 3 and a half seasons at Ayr Ian McCall has also achieved 2 promotions but has the one up due to the second being as league champions. Since we have no idea what will happen this season we can only really judge his singular season in the Championship and quite frankly it was a disaster. From having no proper strikers, to not winning a match in months, to wasting a lot of money on big names like Harkins to have them underperform meant that there was a justified reason for Cameron to axe him. Good thing he kept faith and McCall returned the favour with a brilliant season the following year. In terms of cup performances I’d say Reid has the edge but only just. He delivered brilliant cup runs beating Hibs, Hearts and Inverness whereas despite getting to the QF of the Scottish Cup two seasons ago under McCall we had a very easy run and if anything we made hard work of it. I’d say overall McCall is better than Reid when you take into account league performance, style of football and also the way we’ve progressed behind the scene going FT.

That's been said a few times on the facebook pages too. A proven, experienced goalscorer is not going to come to play in the Scottish Championship as he'll have better offers elsewhere. Or do you have anyone specific in mind that would come, we could afford, and that we should be going for instead of Nelson?

Both arrived at the battlefield unarmed?

Tell Gemma that no one in their right mind stores raw meat above fruit. The stupid bitch.

Cool bro, nobody here does though x

If there's one thing the Christophe/LincolnHearts debacle needed, it's Rodger trying to pile in with humour.

Death knell for this loony tunes idea finally sounded today https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44932616 . Quite amazingly someone has realised that " it would benefit the development of young players if they were playing alongside more experienced players on a more regular basis". Obviously Cowden Cowboy wasn't on that steering committee, but any one of 100 other posters on this thread could have told them that 18 months ago and saved them a lot of expense and bother!

I've been following Ayr since the Reid days and i would say McCall has probably just been better but up for debate, if we do well this season however he'll go above Reid IMO. Yeah with Reid we went on some fairy-tale cup runs but feel that McCall plays a more exciting brand of football than we did under Reid. Also think what McCall is doing for this club off the pitch also makes him better with full time and everything else that came with that but it will only be justified if we do well this season, by that i mean finishing anywhere from 5th-8th.

For what it's worth, I thought Doohan looked more than competent at Coatbridge on Saturday- he's incredibly young in goalkeeping terms but did what he had to do without any fuss and he looks the part. I can see why Celtic think he's worth a long contract because the potential is there and he's big and athletic. Whether or not he has the mindset to play in the position that garners the most criticism simply because an error can be costly only time will tell. I'm a very big fan McGuffie but even I know he does daft things at times - translate that to a goalie, well you know the outcome. Let's just give the young goalie a real chance by encouraging him as much as possible. Would love to see him flourish with us without him being too busy lol.

He has. He played on the left wing in the closed-door match last week against the Shire. He set up our second goal.

I hate when you've been in a job for 2 weeks and you do more than folk that have been here for 6 and a half years.

Face? What face? (Jump to 37 seconds in)

The past few pages of this thread have been absolutely crazy. What's going on? Please keep up the good work everyone. Thank you.

Shame on you. You knew exactly what your pretending not to do. Your actually worse than the fans that sing along and glorify it as you pretend your more educated and above it and your not. Nasty and vile little man who hides behind the mask of intelligence yet let's it slip more than often than people care to call you on.

I haven't read all the contributions here, but I'll weigh in with my own. The SFA have no intention of moving away from Hampden, Despite being run by halfwits, even they realise that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by pulling out. They earn £1 million for the naming rights of the stadium; they receive the same from Sodexho for what are termed the "pouring rights" (that's selling pies and all the hospitality stuff); they made 500k from each night of the Ed Sheeran concerts; Hampden is the only stadium in Scotland that can host a European club final; they have a museum, a sports injury clinic and the offices of all the relevant football associations that Scotland deems necessary to have, plus the offices of the SPFL. For the rent that they pay, this would seem to be a good deal. They would lose all of this if they moved and would get nothing back as all the income other than gate receipts would go to the SRU. Murrayfield - despite the Tartan Army tossers who whine about Hampden constantly, let's see how they like the view from the back of the stands at the rugby stadium, just as far back as at Hampden. And let's see how they get on when trying to get back to anywhere in Scotland after a midweek match at Murrayfield. Two hours to queue for a train after the last Scotland v England rugby international - the last train will have long gone in midweek. The road links....one road in and one road out...pandemonium. The rugby punters have all their matches in the afternoon; the Scotland internationals are almost never held in the afternoon now. Despite the buses that come from a' the airts to support Scotland at Hampden, it's local types who make up the vast bulk of the crowd. Will they all travel to Edinburgh? Murrayfield operates via licences granted by the local council; currently they have eight. That generally covers the rugby and a couple of entertainment events. With two semi finals and a final in each cup and Scotland matches, that's easily the same number again from football. You can imagine the stooshie that the douce local residents will make after just one Old Firm match, guys fighting and pishing on the rose bushes, where everyone will be coming from, and leaving from, the same direction. The politicians will be under huge pressure to sort it out. How long would the politicians hold out until they reduced the number of licences down again. The SFA are doing this because they smell blood and because they can. They know that QP are in a very weak bargaining position. They are presiding over a game in Scotland that sees the national side being banjoed by countries who have come from nowhere to be no more than adequate, but much better than us. Our club sides are a laughing stock, even in Scotland. And they organised a car crash of a process to appoint a new national team manager. Was the embarrassment of the procedure worth the end result? How many of you think they got that one right? The SFA is run by wankers who cannot steer a way out of the dark despondency that Scottish international and club football is in but unfortunately the wankers are going to win this one. Anyone having a laugh at our situation is allying themselves with these muppets and is not worth bothering about.. For QP, this is all about damage limitation. Me? If I could influence it, I'd tell the SFA to pack their bags and f**k off. Sadly, that luxury is not available to Queen's Park. Personally, I've almost had enough of Hampden. Its glory days are over and the SFA or property developers are welcome to it. I'd happily walk out tomorrow on our own terms, rather than be pushed out by these wallopers. Hampden has given Scottish football, and the SFA, a higher profile than any comparable country. No one owes Queen's Park anything; the galling thing is the way this is being done and letting people who could not run a menage, as my mother would say, winning, and winning handsomely.. The continued existence and prosperity of Queen's Park Football Club is the most important thing for QP fans.

Nobody cares mate

I only opened this thread to see the reaction to the total minter of a signing video for Watson, I didn't expect to end up going through 20+ pages of cranial detachment. It's genuinely impressive that no matter how bad Dundee United get on the pitch, Dundee fans on here somehow still manage to be infinitely more embarrassing.

I think it's because if a youngster is playing in the outfield 10 and makes a mistake it's highly likely that A - the mistake won't lead to a goal and B - there is another 9 outfield players there to try and help him out and prevent any danger happening from the mistake. Problem with the goalie is that if he makes a mistake there's a 99% chance the outcome of it is that we've conceded a goal and possibly now losing the game. Do agree though that the goalie position seems to get constant abuse now and majority of supporters seem to have a very little patience or willingness to give him a chance. Personally i was very impressed in the Morton game when he came out and caught the cross and did a massive throw up the pitch to try and get us countering from the corner. With our quick attackers, a goalie who's willing to do that could come in handy in games which are stretched and in scenarios where there's a chance to break.

One has come foreheaded though.

To me, this is absolutely mental. I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong in their criticism. Personally, I think we're putting a lot into Tanner's return, and that is a bit of a risk for me. If he breaks down in his recovery, or he doesn't hit the ground running, we've got a lot riding on it. I'd quite like us to; commit to Turnbull in that role, see if we can pick up a WUNDERKID from down south on loan, or go back in time and play Ross MacLean there. The Sammon signing, as previously said, doesn't arse me at all. If Scott is the guy that we hope he is, he should be able to displace him. Really, I think MacLean and Gordon should've been out January - May last season, but I hope they're magic on loan and come back and take their place. Still, it's two games in. We struggled past Edinburgh last year and people got themselves all a fluster and the season worked out okay. Coming back to what Desp is saying, I do find the lack of credit in the bank a bit mad. I kind of feel that this is just folk desperate to get the knives out, because we've been competent and capable for almost exactly a year now (December as always, discounted), so there's a bit of a build up. For me, Robinson has been a great appointment, and deserves more credit than he's had. FWIW, I think we'll be fine. Johnson will take a bit of time to get up to speed, but I think he'll be useful.

Have the fishermen & farmers realised what they contributed to yet? Thought not, f**k them all.

I understand the reservations that folk have about Ellis and the ideal scenario would be to punt Laszlo and bring in an experienced manager. However if the money is not there to do this I would prefer Ellis to Laszlo. There is no indication that the board are considering a share issue to raise funds. I reckon that may be needed to address our immediate issue with Laszlo.

Have to admit, I'd hoped for better performances in these two games but in my eyes they aren't just friendlies and in that sense, results are what matter and five points from six isn't a disaster. Hopefully we've moved some way towards addressing a lack of threat from the left with the signing of Kennedy but both games have highlighted issues in the middle of the park. Craig did well as game wore on at Links Park but we know he's not the answer for a full Premiership campaign. My other concern is we've not created as many chances as I'd have expected against a couple of part-time teams. Looking for better against Falkirk and Forfar.

You must be watching different games from me. I think Wallace is rather impressive with his strong running and physical presence. He holds the ball up and, in the limited space, is handy at the dribbling and layoffs. For his size he wins more headers than he should partly because he challenges. I doubt if we could have procured such a similar player to Doris -also a winger turned centre. Yes, maybe he should score more but, for example, that first goal at Alloa last week was a good example of a neat finish. Agree with the assessment of McKenna and especially his excellent linkup play with Wallace. Hester can be a decent impact sub, looks sharp and knows where the goal is. But he is still rather lightweight so balls forward are not being either won and opposing defences have it easier - one reason for impact being that the likes of Wallace have run them a bit. Sorry Hester missed maybe 3 simple chances v Elgin but his goal at Alloa was a neat opportunistic effort. 20-30 minutes a game is suitable but maybe with a bit of confidence that could change

For you, maybe.

We either bring in a striker in time for Tuesday, or we bring Haber back in from the cold. There is no alternatives.

Allan Ball, Queen of the South goalkeeper and club record appearance holder who passed away at the weekend. No idea what the award is or who else is in the picture.

I travelled through to take in your Betfred cup tie with Forfar on Sunday. As a neutral I have to say I was impressed by East Fife, who looked much the better of the two teams! The big guys up front Smith and McBride were impressive, as was Agnew who was unlucky not to score with the free kick. I thought your manager made the wrong substitutions in the second half by taking off (for me) two of your best players and that maybe cost you the win in the end. I started the game as a neutral, but by the time the penalties arrived I definately was hoping justice would be done and East Fife would win! Anyway, positive signs for you, I'd say you should have a good season. Best of luck guys!

1 - Raith Rovers: Would have won the league more often than not with the squad they had last year and have possibly marginally improved it this season. They look like they've fixed the problem goalie position and Wedderburn, Milne, Gillespie and Duggan look to be very good signings. Might huff and puff a bit again at times and I'm expecting another tight race with them and Dumbarton, but they should have enough to go one better this season. 2 - Dumbarton: A pretty mixed bag of signings, Forbes and Ballantyne seem like excellent acquisitions, Ross Perry and Andy Little seem a little strange and the rest look like good solid signings at L1 level. Add that to the quality they already have and they should be pushing for the league. I found it hard to pick a winner between them and Raith. 3 - Arbroath: Don't look to be significantly weakened from the squad that finished 4th last season, apart from losing Scott Martin. Thomson, Toshney and Graham look like decent signings so I'm expecting more of the same from Arbroath. They looked a very good team on their day. I'm not sure they'll have the consistency to go all the way though. 4 - Airdrie: It's been a busy summer at Airdrie. I think Findlay's recruited very well, bringing in mostly players who're proven at this level. They could well push for the league but I've placed them last out of the top 4 because I'm not sure they have the same individual quality as Dumbarton or Raith and their squad isn't as settled as Arbroath's. They've got possibly the greatest depth to their squad though, which could be key when injuries and suspensions inevitably kick in. 5 - Forfar Athletic: they look like they've improved significantly on last season. Baird, Reilly and Meechan look like good signings. I think they look similar in quality to ourselves but I'm putting them ahead due to carrying a bit more goal threat. They look a little bit off the fairly obvious pre-season top 4 though. 6 - East Fife: Our defence looks like it should be a lot more solid than it was last year. Long, Dunlop and Meggatt are good additions. The midfield looks fairly solid too but I don't think we've got enough goals in us to make a realistic play-off push. A lot will depend on how Court and Dowds step up to being first choice strikers at this level and of Kevin Smith can stay fit enough over the season. We should be able to grind out enough wins over the lesser teams to be safe but I can see too many odd-goal defeats and low scoring draws where we should probably have got the win on the balance of play to keep up from being further up. 7 - Montrose: On paper, I'd definitely have Montrose down in the bottom 2 to be honest. But Stewart Petrie has a bunch of, mostly, individually unremarkable players formed into a very impressive team recently. Dillon is obviously class at the back and the group of L2 jobbers in front of him seem to be much more than the sum of their parts under Petrie. Solid, organised and hard working, they won't threaten the play off spots but if they keep doing what they're doing, should survive. They've lost a bit of quality in Ballantyne, Milne and Templeman and if they're not replaced I would worry that once the injuries kick in, they could struggle however. 8 - Stranraer: I'm not 100% about this one. They seem to have lost quite a few good players and I don't think the replacements are up to the same standard. I'd imagine Beith, Robertson, Neill and Agnew will be missed. Mark Lamont will be a good signing if he stays fit and Donnelly impressed me at Queen's Park last year. Could easily push for a play off spot to be honest but I think they'll struggle. 9 - Brechin City: Last season was obviously abysmal even when you factor in the severe financial disadvantage they faced in the Championship. We've seen enough teams pass straight through L1 in recent years to suggest this could be a tough season for Brechin. Sean Burns and Dougie Hill seem good enough signings, the rest seem like unknowns or slightly bizarre signings like Dene Shields. The likes of McLean, Burns, McGeever and Hill should form a solid defence at this level but I'd be worried they're looking short in midfield and up front if I was a Brechin fan. Depends what these French/Italian lads are like and if Shields can roll back the clock 10 years I suppose. 10 - Stenhousemuir: Last season wasn't exactly overly impressive from the Warriors and I'm not sure they've strengthened over the summer from the squad that finished 4th in League Two last season. Harry Paton will obviously be a big loss for them and the Ross's Dunlop and Meechan also seem like they'll be missed in defence. Morgyn Neill and Greame Smith seem like solid L1 signings but the rest smack of mid-range L2 type signings. I doubt they'll be cut adrift at the bottom but they look like a decent enough L2 squad in all areas of the park and that will probably tell over the season.

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I didn’t even register why he would refer to Ryan (I think) Kent as “big jock”. Quite happy with my own naivety. However, now it’s explained it’s absolutely tragic on many levels.

Rangers dying and 3rd and 4th both going up, 2nd place staying where they are. [emoji34] Keen for Rangers dying again mind you.

And so the victim becomes the bully. You should be ashamed of yourself.