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As the ‘elected’ Pie and Bovril Bairns Group Spokesman, I have been given the humble task of declaring you a total arsehole. Thanks for reading SB x

Signed Gilzean pic. Thank you.

He took Maddie.

In the old memorabilia category this is the oldest piece in my collection. Given to me by my pal's old man when I was a kid.

Looks like Spence will be on his way tomorrow judging by the Rovers Twitter account....

He has played in each of our last four victories, pitched in with a couple of goals including the winner against East Fife and was deservedly man of the match in the win over Forfar last Saturday. You’re one of these boys who didn’t rate Callachan and thought he was shite aren’t you?

All the best steak pies have sausages through them!

A couple of days after that game Apollo 16 landed on the Moon. The Daily Record printed a cartoon of the astronauts on the lunar surface reporting back, "Tell Dixie we've found the ball!"

Kids today will never believe there used to be two big clubs in the city at that time...........

Wise words Jack. Hedgie should get in and see what she's got. A bit of time spent now could see you in the will. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Even if you don't, it's a foot in the door for the funeral and free sasij rolls.

Although things got into a grim place members-wise, bottoming-out at 11 last season, there was still an inherent strength left in 1) having access to LL and licensing; plus 2) being well-run and supportive of clubs, including through a number of new schemes and initiatives EOSL introduced after LL started. Going by the "prospectus" that appeared on the EOSL website this time last year the membership benefits include: the league paying for coaching, goalkeeping and firstaid courses; providing all clubs with defibrillators, firstaid bags and equipment; buying clubs' match balls and training balls; paying clubs' insurance; and reimbursing travel costs when an away game is postponed. It is less often mentioned but the Friday night Under 20 league run in conjunction with LL must be a big positive: players are all on senior form making it easy to sit on the bench etc. for the first-team the next day, and all clubs (SFA members or not) play in the Scottish Youth Cup. According to my local paper there is also prizemoney for the top 4 places - the top pot being worth £1,500 - plus from this season each club can apply for £3,000 to spend on ground upgrades. There are also 2 ways into the Scottish Cup - by winning the EOSL or by winning the Alex Jack Cup and new Cup-Winners' Shield. This latter route has seen Tynecastle qualify for the Scottish Cup for the first time and others like LTHV, Leith and Stirling Uni have qualified in previous seasons. Clubs ready for licensing have to join. Clubs working towards licensing have good reason to join: they will have to do it eventually and coaching badges, medical provision and insurance cover are part of the criteria and any help with ground upgrades must be welcome. Even if a club isn't on that trajectory there will be benefits from good organisation, financial help and a shot at the Scottish Cup slots. I don't think many similar benefits are provided in the Juniors. Indeed games still aren't played by artificial light and there isn't even a fixturelist. EOSL clubs have their games to the middle of April; East Junior clubs have theirs only to a week on Saturday. So while there were obviously reasons for leaving - which Craigroyston and Easthouses did - there were also reasons for staying, and joining - which Kelty did and now maybe others. Also worth recalling that more clubs could be relegated from LL than promoted from EOSL, btw.

I don't think Naysmith's management of Lyle can be criticised too much. No-one can argue with Kane or Dobbie being selected ahead of him based on their respective form this season. These are the only two people Lyle is in direct competition with for a starting place. Criticising Dykes being included ahead of him is as relevant as complaining Alan Martin is getting in the team instead of Lyle. Equally Lyle is well within his rights to speak to the manager and air his grievances about a lack of game time, this is part and parcel in football. It is the "well if you don't like it you know where the door is" response that leaves a bad taste, and doesn't make much sense given his stature at the club, and expected retirement at the end of the season. I too am hesitant to criticise the manager as it makes no sense for him to want to weaken the squad any more than it already is. I don't think many managers have an upper limit to how many players they think they need and I reckon most would continue to sign them whilst given the permission to do so. To me it looks like a cost cutting exercise by the board. A risky strategy that might save them a few months wages, but end up costing them considerable good will from the supporters. The last time similarly unpopular decisions needed made they brought Mark Robertson in to take the flak so they have previous for diverting blame. Until we hear more I'm more inclined to blame the board than the manager, but it will suit them if Naysmith becomes the target. Just as an aside I don't think Lyle comes across too well out of this with the way he has gone running to the press. It sounds he's been treated like shit by the club, but if he loved them as much as he claims he would surely have tried to sort this out behind closed doors?

f**k all it's a Mickey Mouse trophy.

Lyle will be one of the highest earners at the club and has barely kicked a ball for months. Looking at it from an entirely financial point of view it makes sense to get him off the wage bill. There are far greater considerations than just finance though when it comes to a decision like this. With the relationship between club and fans at as low a point as I can recall in my time as a supporter, this move seems fairly suicidal. They say there is no time for sentiment in football, and life isn't a Hollywood movie where everyone gets the happy ending they deserve. However all we would have to do is allow Lyle to see out the remaining 6 months of his contract to give him the send off he more than deserves. It doesn't seem like too much to ask. All of the above is based off the assumption that Lyle isn't up to the job anymore. Something I don't agree with anyway. This could really turn out to be a decision the board don't recover from.

Let’s all just take a minute to appreciate that smile though.

Bring him home.

The first post in this thread should have its own cabinet in the Hampden museum. It really is one of the best this forum has ever produced.

For as long as I've supported Dumbarton FC (47 years now) the club's future has been in doubt and that has almost always been down to one thing, the heritable asset (the stadium) would be worth more as a cleared bit of ground than as a going concern i.e. a fitba club. The fact that DFC owned this heritable property has never been a protection. Indeed several times when the ground had been used as collateral for borrowing, the future looked bleak. Even under the ownership of Robert Robertson/Hutchison Engineering in the 1970s, when the club was riding on the crest of it's biggest successes of the 20th century, Robertson had a buyer lined up to build houses on Boghead and move the club to Cumbernauld. I seem to remember the rejection of a planning application for Boghead was the catalyst for this. In the 80s as the solicitor administering the Fraser estate was closing in on the club's heritable assert, to repay a £40,000 loan made by Sir Hugh, the sale of Stevie McCahill to Celtic saved the club at the 11th hour (according to then Chief Exec Alex Wright). In the 90s, with Neil Rankine having been declared bankrupt and with Jim Innes holding proxy on his shares, he (Innes) was ready to accept an offer for Boghead from a housebuilder (Bellway I think) and wind up the club. Only an emergency response from directors Gilbert Lawrie and Alistair Paton, resulting in Douglas Dalgleish becoming chairman, saved the club then. Believe me, there were some scary moments at the building of the new stadium at the Rock. I well remember John McFall looking me in the eye and saying "At that stage we thought the (new stadium) project was doomed and with it, the club" . This was circa October 2000 on my appointment to the board of Dumbarton Community Stadium Ltd. McFall was talking of events six months previous. Brabco is nothing new. There has always been someone wanting money/prestige/glory or whatever from Dumbarton FC. I have consistently taken the view that what Brabco is providing for DFC is a lifeboat. For a fee. The good ship DFC is sinking. And whilst some argue that the captain is exaggerating the situation, or the ship is flying under a Liberian flag or there's a salvage crew in the wings waiting to scavenge the wreck, the sensible thing is to examine the lifeboat and compare it to the sinking ship. Does it offer the chance of survival? Well yes, probably as much as John Waters who opposed Robert Robertson's Cumbernauld proposal in a live debate on STV. As much as that fee from the transfer of McCahill. Maybe as much as the Lawrie/Paton bit of magic. It also offers the risk of failure as all these things did too. If Cumbernauld Development Association had been a bit more persuasive, had Celtic changed manager and he didn't fancy McCahill, Had Innes not been persuaded, Had McFall not come up with funding, there would not have been a Sons Sorrow on P&B I think it's the lifeboat lads. It might be full of holes and it might hit an iceberg. It might not. It's a chance.

My money's on Harry but I'd be interested to hear your findings.

Probably not but let’s blame him anyway. He deserves it

Lawyers have ways of framing these things to ensure the right protections. I know. I'm married to one! We're getting good advice.

Just seen on the official Twitter there than John McGlashan has died, aged just 50. http://dundeefc.co.uk/news/john-mcglashan-1967-2018/ Bit of a shocker. Thoughts and condolences to his family and friends.

Some very nice memorabilia in this thread. I’m sure you will all agree though, that none of them come close to this fine piece. No, you’re not imagining things. Not only is that a bottle of Dundee F.C. wine (which I’m sure will go up in value with age) it is a bottle of DFC wine signed by the legendary Barry Smith. Shall we start the bidding at £3,000? Thank you.

Can we come to an agreement with you as well troll boy? Yer patter is chronic.

https://sonstrust.wordpress.com/2018/01/09/owners-give-written-assurances-to-fans/ This is a bit of a game changer for me. Written and signed guarantees of sustainable stadium ownership, a new DFC board, fans increase in shareholding, fanas guaranteed to be included in the business development at the new place and they're bringing themselves onshore? The new board is absolutely massive for me, that and increasing our shareholding. That's extremely positive and fair play to Brabco for finally giving us what we needed. Without wanting shot here, I'd be inclined to support the proposal based on that...

All ifs and buts just now, but encouraging signs for the EOS. I personally never thought it would revive after the exodus of clubs to the LL, it really looked to be on the bones of its arse. Well done to Kelty for making the switch and to other juniors who are at the very least thinking about the switch.

A second victory of the tweets for Sonsteam J 08 and his mythbusters team. Some guy was claiming we refused to take part in the free kids offer thing. I pointed out that he was wrong. He has since deleted the tweets.

Arcade Fire - Keep the Car Running

Anticipating a tweet sometime this morning showing Danny Barrow standing with his luggage at Kirkcaldy Railway Station.

Once we get Morton out the way, our next five league games are (in some sort of order) Dumbarton, Brechin, Livi and Inverness at home, and Brechin away. We can get 10 points from that. If we do, it should get us up to 8th with some momentum and just over a quarter of the season left. Tonight doesn't mean we're doomed, just like Saturday didn't mean we were going to rocket up the league and win the playoffs. The starting XI is improved but they're still gelling and will take time. The bench is absolutely atrocious.

Everyone feels like that x

Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart

Absolutely disgraceful treatment of a real legend. Another experienced player rooted in QOS sidelined and discarded by this 'no-mark' manager who has no idea about proper footballers. This is not down to the Board, it is the Manager who has chosen not to play him regularly and left him marginalised whilst he lauds and plays Dykes at every opportunity. I bet if you were to ask Dobbie who his preferred partner would be it would be Del. If he had been utilised properly both he and we would have scored more goals this season. It really sums Naysmith up. Quite clearly Del has questioned his omission, as many players do, but Naysmith obviously cannot deal with any challenge to him and just decides to get rid as he has done with all the others - not good Management. Of course there are some players who need to be shipped out but the legend that is DEREK LYLE is not one of them. He is a positive influence all around the Club and a great example to the younger players. His quotes in the article sum up his feelings about the Club and situation. Disgraceful that he doesn't get the opportunity to reach 121 goals or to receive the send-off that he truly deserves and that the fans would thoroughly enjoy. It's Naysmith that should be going so the only thing I can hope for is that along with his style of play this matter will start to turn more and more fans against him. Is Del really injured or was he left out of the squad on Saturday because Naysmith 'spat the dummy' ? Certainly Del hasn't and exhibits a professional. dignified and measured response. I never thought it would come to this but that's me done for this season or until this so-called Manager gets what he deserves. He has ripped the heart out of the Club since his arrival. qos1919 says it's Dobbie that's keeping him going as there's not much else - sad but true.

Aye, let's say we oppose these proposals now even after Brabco have given us written (and signed) assurances and the planning gets rejected (at first hearing and appeal hearing). The fans then look like the enemy to Brabco, even after they gave us the things we asked for. Brabco are then left with no possible move on the cards, fans who ruined that for them and a club they don't want. I don't like thinking about where that leaves us. Let's say we support the move and it still gets rejected. We can then say to Brabco "at least we tried" and would probably be on good terms with them to work on a possible plan B for staying where we are/getting Brabco out of this failed investment. Let's say finally that we support the move and the planning is approved - there is still a very, very long way to go before a brick gets laid, but Brabco are happy and the fans are the good guys - and with the assurances given we can push to make them reality and make this development work for us. Trading off our current stadium in return for a new, forward thinking board, greater fan representation and shareholding and a sustainable business model? Sounds like a decent deal to me. Having said that, I do think many fans will remain (rightly) sceptical. A statement of intent from Brabco for me would be to make the changes to the board as soon as possible. Show us that you're 100% serious about following through on your promises.

Teeth brighter than our future.

That’s a blow especially as it’s just for a training camp not an actual game. Not wanting to cover old ground, but if only we’d have been as ruthless as Hearts last season in recalling Vaughan from Dumbarton when it started to all go wrong

This is the bit for me that makes sense. No club wants to admit they’re struggling results wise, but surely if two leagues come about, it might put off bigger named clubs from joining, having to go through a second division first and the drubbings that would inevitably happen for me anyway, aren’t nice to watch

Tracy Chapman - Fast Car

Oysterband - Dancing As Fast As I Can

I'm pretty sure this must have been mentioned before but when some no-mark fame goblin is reported as 'breaking the internet ' when they post a picture on their instatwat or whatever.

Blue Oyster Cult - The Red And The Black

Burnin Red Ivanhoe - Gong Gong The Elephant Song http://youtu.be/pcfd1isItD8

Simply Red - Holding Back The Years

Above Dundee though

Not surprised to hear that actually, some of the refereeing decisions against us this season have inexcusable. There have been a few times that the first thought that has came to my head has been: "right there may actually have been money exchanged here". Shameful but that's 21st century Scotland I guess.

See Hibs are the most fouled team in the league. John McGinn is also the most fouled player in the league. Teams obviously just resort to booting us in the air, it’s the only way to deal with the pure flames flair fitba we produce.

Seeing as the big teams are having a break just now and it’s a bit quite I thought I’d share this with the best bunch of fans on P&B. Came across this ticket while sorting out my dad’s files. His memory isn’t so good these days and he can’t remember anything about the match but written on the back of the ticket are what I assume are the names of Dundee players that night: Hill, Scott, Gill, Gerrie, Pottillo, Boyd, Cowie, Gallacher, Irvine, Gollan, Brown. Any price to watch Dundee is a bargain but reckon 1/6 is hard to beat.

He thinks the whole world is against him. I get same bus as him and he came back on after Dundee moaning he'd been chucked out, and that it was only because it was him that clubs were targeting him for special treatment. Turned out he had been thrown out for smoking in the toilets. So nothing to do with who he is and everything to do with breaking the law.

^^ offers white kids healthy snacks but won't give to other races^^

When I read stuff like this; Everybody moves house at some point, the reasons behind the decision are endless and particular, sometimes collective. Number of children outgrow the garden, maintaining the house may cost too much now, an extension to the property is either too costly or not possible at all....just a few reasons for moving on. The new house would, I imagine be within 3-20 miles from the old one? In doing so we leave behind some fantastic memories and many “firsts” and “lasts” that all happened when we were in the old house. Moving allows the opportunity to provide our kids with a positive new outlook and the chance to continue to improve our lives and existence. Once in the new house there are a number of factors that change. Travel to and from work (normally 5 of 7 days a week), a new local, new shops, restaurants and general amenities. Most importantly for us who like a day out and some socialising with our friends on the drink, finding an alternative means of getting there and back to that which we became used to? The kids have to adapt too. A new school, new friends, new surroundings and generally not having the home comforts they were used to. All this because we the parents decided it was a better place for our family to live and move forward with our lives and start making new memories whilst fondly remembering our past. I can't help but be convinced that a move is the best thing for Aberdeen. To the fucking moon.