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I don't like the Tony your voice.

Cant see Old Firm fans putting their wives on the naughty step after a defeat tbh.

Why prop up basket-case economies when you can... become one?

Yeah, this place would be much worse off without posters who stalk other users social media accounts and attempt to get others sacked by contacting their employers.

Aye it's a disgrace, what was that story about you booting a tramps tin away whilst wth your kids?

El Mintero.

"It never did me any harm" Yet here they are, posting comments on the Daily Mail website. Probably the biggest condemnation against smacking possible.

I just punch my horse until it learns to stop shitting.

This is going to make little difference. The kids who are routinely beaten will still get beaten. Social work are stretched as it is, they have neither the time nor resources to investigate a one off smack on bum carried out by a stressed out parent as a last resort. Or the gobby 10 yr old who decides claim dad smacked him to a teacher who then has to emboldened child protection procedures. Or while investigating this s child in real need isn’t getting the help they need.

Against leathering weans = up on a high horse

This thread reminds me of the Question Time episode where a load of old angry white men shouted at Jeremy Corbyn for not being wanting to kill millions in a nuclear explosion. Imagine getting a hard-on for hitting kids an order of magnitude smaller and weaker than you. f**k's sake.

A slipper across the arse of a naughty child and physical abuse/assault of a child are two very different things which some people refuse to understand on this issue.

Babies in particular are annoying wee c***s but you cannie really justify sticking the nut on them tbh.

I don't have kids so I have no opinion on whether people abuse them or not. People like Fritzl and Rose West are far more qualified to express an opinion on this matter than I am.

8mile at a crossroads here, should he maintain the calm persona he has tried to adjust to in recent times? or revert to the raging, unhinged 8mile we all know and love? I shall observe with interest.

I regularly teach classes of 30+ pupils in which 15 or more could test the patience of Mother Theresa herself (at the times she wasn't being an old boot, that is). The thought of hitting them never comes into my head, and nor would it if I was allowed to. And those aren't my own kids. I've said this before on here, but when my oldest was younger I accidentally trapped her finger in a door. The look she gave me - fear, pain, misery - will stay with me until the day I die. And within 5 minutes she was playing away like nothing happened. The thought of giving my kids that look of fear, pain and misery deliberately is absolutely barbaric.

I can accurately predict I'll never hit her because I'm not a scumbag.

When you touch a website button a split second after your phone sneakily updates the page, making you go to some other link you couldn't give a **** about.

The monkey founded the DABs. Bad monkey

I think Weeperdees Dad will be your first customer.

Can I nominate myself for a heads gone?

If Vaughan signs this new deal, the Rovers could have stolen money from me for the past few year for all I care.

You are an absolute degenerate. You live in a fantasy land where scooping excrement from your arse to throw at another human being, kicking over (nay, booting) over a tramps drink of choice in full view of your own children, making up a fake persona to stalk someone you don't know in real life in an attempt to humiliate them and that's all I can recall. Is acceptable..... Yes, I'll accept you are a good contribution to society. You can shit on my shit. p***k

More political correctness gone mad from the loony left brigade !!11

And fat, don't forget he's fat.

Aye very good. Fat!Shit flinging, bullying, imaginary friend inventing, moron.

"What if it was only a light physical assault"? Removing the ability for teachers to physically harm children was a good thing. Removing the ability for anyone - parent or otherwise - to physically strike a child is entirely sensible. Baffling to read some of the dinosaurs who feel this is still acceptable conduct

It’s pretty simple. If you hit a child you deserve to be charged with a criminal offence. I’m genuinely staggered anyone would suggest otherwise.

I have to say that I do think until charges are proven in court of law, accused shouldn’t be named. I know the theory is that it may encourage others to come forward but where allegations of rape and sexual assault are concerned, mud sticks even if innocent. It’s a complex issue though.

I have given my kids a smack on the arse or the palm of the hand a few times and it does stop them doing, at times, risky actions that could on another day have had a more disastrous outcome. I have also seen kids out and about, thats behaviour is so out of control, I have thought that they could do with a hot arse. The authorities cant police the proper child abuse that is already going on so f**k knows what resources they have to throw at this. It is a ridiculous thing to introduce, just to keep the Greens on side.

Got held up at work and then sat for 40 mins trying to get to the Forth Road Bridge, so ended up missing it, but my mate sent me a summary of points! Those that were there will be able to further expand. Some scary financial results, but hopefully going forward that will be improved! On Callaghan - we rejected a derisory offer from the Pars days after the players took their 25% reduction. Offer we got for him in the end from Hearts was the highest amount ever paid for a L1 players. Sims wanted to reject, but after convo with Callaghan agreed to accept it - deal includes add ons and trigger payments when he has played certain number of games. Vaughan close to signing new deal Dev squad costs £95k a year to run. The development fund pays £700 quid a month towards it. Some interesting proposals and work being looked into regarding how to better improve and use the railway stand. Cost to relay pitch will be £500k and board are looking at funding options On the squad, the board had a player ready to come in, funds were in place - Sims said no because he wanted to see the Youth players tried first - Smith said he was happy with the squad and the youngsters, however doesn't really want to let them play more than 2 or 3 games on the bounce to protect them. One comment made was that the chairman didn't seem to be across all the details - there seemed to be a lot of times where he had to get help from others! I'd take part of that to be that Sims and Sinton are driving this, and Young might only be there in some kind of transitional role until Clark, Sinton and Sims are up to speed on it all.... Its exciting to see there are some plans afoot for the Railway stand, and that will hopefully feed in to growing the club and putting us on a more sound financial footing. I can understand why Sims wouldn't want to throw more money after players when the point of youth and development is to bring them into first team as cover, so I do understand that. Locke and McKinnon both had massive playings squads, and the simple fact is, as long as we are in this division, we can't afford to have more than 15 or 16.

Trumps that batshit mental the George W is doing the talk show rounds and looking normal

I can probably answer a few of your questions BBPF. How did we get from the very sketchy information delivered by Ian Wilson to what we've now had delivered by Roddy the planning guy and Chris Stainton? A big part of that is the trust board pushing Brabco for evidence. We've had several meetings with Brabco and we've consistently pushed for a proper business model, proper costings and for that to be made available to us for scrutiny. There has been a significant change in attitude from Brabco, as well as a change in personnel, and what they're doing now is what they should have been doing for the past 18 months to 2 years. We can criticise that it's taken them so long to get to this stage but we have to acknowledge the positive change that's happened. For whatever reason (and we may personally think of a few of them), Brabco have really stepped up the way they're approaching the development and thats lead to the trust board being in a better position to scrutinise and for fans to get more detailed information at events like last night. Doesnt mean we shouldn't question their figures or simply accept what their report tells us. The trust board are doing so in a robust fashion. What it does mean is that we're now getting the full story, access to the information we need to scrutinise and ask those questions and that's a massive step forward. Its always been Brabco's case to make in favour of moving and the big change is that they're now trying to make that case in a dilligent and professional way. They've engaged some decent professional people to produce their work and we have to accept that they're now putting in a lot of very good effort into buiding their case. You can never remove risk completely from something like this - Brabco hold all of the risk until the deal is done whilst the club assume all of the risk if Brabco make their profit, hand us the keys and tell us to get on with running things. What you can do is proper, dilligent business modeling, proper costing and put together enough evidence that you minimise those risks and try to tip the balance in favour of success. Current ground? There are 4 general areas that need to be addressed. The rock wall, the floodlights, the dip in the pitch and general repairs to the stand. They've engaged an engingeering firm to give them a professional opinion on costs. With something like the wall around the rock, it's potentially a health and safety issue. Its not so much the powers that Visit Scotland have to force the club to repair it - it's a health and safety issue. We've got a safety certificate for the site but clearly any deterioration in the wall would be a consideration in the future. The floodlights aren't Championship spec. We've been given dispensation to continue without upgrading them due to the club's intention to move. If we stay put then that dispensation ends and we will need to upgrade them. The dip in the pitch at the away end needs to be addressed. The actua structure of the stand needs to be repaired and maintained. The engineers have provided a range of figures based on best and worst case scenarios. There's culpability here for Brabco and the DFC board and Stainton did admit that perhaps they didnt hold the club board to account as strongly as they should have. Ultimately if we do stay at the current ground then we need to find the money to do those repairs/upgrades. It's no longer a case of simply staying put as we don't need to move. We need to accept that there are significant challenges in staying. And if planning permission is refused then we're staying: if we don't get planning permission then we'll be forced to deal with the work needed at the current site. Stadium ownership? Simply put it's a bit of a minefield. Brabco think that theres a chance that it could land the club with a tax bill. The club could defer it for a number of years but eventually it would need to find the money to pay HMRC. The trust is doing it's own investigation into that. Tax law is a hugely complex area, as our neighbours up the road will testify to, and if there's a risk that the club will be hit with a significant bill then we need to know about it. I've got my own views on the significance of stadium ownership but right now the important thing is that we get robust legal and tax advice.

This team photo the club posted is fucking class. I would buy 5 season tickets tomorrow if they signed a parrot and a monkey again.

Based on some of the comments from a number of the "Against" folks, there is a lot of pent up aggression building up. I wouldn't want to be their kid when the halo slips and they let loose.

Your dodgy shoulder won't help either.

Alcoholism.

I'm surprised it took as long as it did to descend into everyone calling each other scumbags, and that only took about 5 posts.

Drink helps with this, you're unpredictable keeps them guessing and on the back foot.

The Rolling Stones - Paint It Black

I don't have kids so not only do I not understand why using violence against children is fine but I'm not allowed an opinion on it either.

A kid goes to touch a hot iron. You slap his/her hand to stop them doing it and shock them into realising it's dangerous. You're happy for the parent to reason with said child with the almost inevitable serious burn?

Through the vagaries of my mind, I recall travelling home from a midweek game at Brockville back in the mid 80s and Jimmy "were you at the game caller" Sandison and Bill "c**t" McMurdo were going at it hammer on tongs on the radio phone in. Glorious days for the phone in, now its the fat sexist p***k and his OAP pal on Radio Scotland and a crew of drooling inbred old firm knob guzzlers on independent local radio. Sad sad days.

The best deterrent is taking the kids on a holiday to Portugal, you'll never hear a peep from the ones that go home.

It’s already illegal to assault a child.

This (and the rest of your post) is all spot on, BSF. There are going to be big changes moving forward, whichever way things go on the new stadium. And the tax and legal issues need to be handled clearly and rigorously. We're on the case. Thanks vm to everyone who came last night - sixty of us on a miserably wet midweek evening! Please do keep the questions and comments coming. There will be more on the trust site shortly, and we're fixing another Trust board meeting this month to pursue all the key issues. Absolutely everything has to be measured against what will deliver the most sustainable future for the club. We as supporters should not and will not simply be passengers in this vehicle, we need to be involved in making sure it steers in the right direction. By the end of the year we will have clarity on which way things are heading re. the stadium - and then we are going to have to get stuck in to make it work.

Yet they still have to have Celtic v Rangers as the photo in the background, it's absolutely tragic.

Lets not rehabilitate Bush, the same way people tried to rehabilitate McCain, just because Trump is a dickhead.