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Tonight was awful - one of the worst performances in years. I wouldn't get too down though. The Arabs laugh, yet got relegated at their rivals ground just a few months ago. It's quite incredible. The same fannies didn't even bother to turn up at Dens for their farewell to the top division. That's how football works though; if we get relegated, then a few months after the initial horror, it's accepted, and we move on. Supporting a team shouldn't be about yearning for success. We support Dundee and always will. Success is secondary to our support. The feeling you had when that second goal went in tonight was what football means. The feeling you had when Wighton scored that last minute goal was what football means. Not what's fed to you from the Sky Sports bassa's. The thing that makes this club great to follow is the ups and downs that come with it. In years to come we'll laugh at the pathetic performance against Partick in a 2 0 loss over a pint with a fellow Dee. Try to not get caught up in it. If we're in the Championship next year we'll be talking about a victory over shite like Morton at this time next year, ripping the piss out the b*****ds. If we stay up, then great. Let's just see what happens. To gain the Saturday 3pm kick offs, week in week out. Lose the 12pm trips to Perth on a Sunday. The 12.15pm home games to Celtic. I don't care tbh. One thing will remain and that's me enjoying the Dees from my seat at Dens Park. Thank you very fucking much.

"The problem with you is that you have a wildly inflated ego and sense of your own worth. You've believed the hype that surrounds you, despite the fact that you've actually achieved very little in the game." "That's enough" said Warburton.

You see the thing is it's not for me to defend absolutely everything the SNP government has done or to somehow 'disprove' your tedious rendition of 'SNPbad: The Greatest Hits', as you well know. Your original ludicrous contention was that Scotland (and it was Scotland as you initially formulated it) was too 'politically immature' to be an independent state. Now we've gone from that to it just being the SNP that were 'immature', to this insistence I disprove your tendentious view of their record in government. Essentially your initial point was vacuous nonsense so you're now scrambling around trying to change the topic. Even if any of the above was a remotely accurate characterisation of the contemporary Scottish political context (and it isn't) then it would still not prove your asinine contention that Scotland was somehow not 'mature' enough to be an independent state. Evidently if I don't say anything about the 'substantive' points you claim to have made however you'll run off, claim victory and portray yourself again as the one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind, when really you're more the one-braincelled man in the kingdom of the reasonably intelligent. On education clearly Curriculum for Excellence has had teething problems and there have been issues with its implementation (an issue not just for the Scottish Government but the councils) but overall it has been positively assessed by the OECD. I don't imagine the OECD are only giving it credit out of fear of an overly 'aggressive' response from the SNP. Class sizes in primary one have been drastically reduced and many schools rebuilt or refurbished. More pupils are gaining Highers and they are also gaining better results. Personally I think that given the climate of austerity and the financial settlement from Westminster cutting part-time college courses in favour of full-time equivalents was the sensible course of action as well. In terms of Higher Education Scottish universities are actually doing better in terms of research output and securing research funding than anywhere else in the UK. Not to mention there are still no tuition fees and at the other end of the spectrum childcare provision has been substantially increased. Of course there are things to criticise and the suggestion that standards in numeracy and literacy have fallen in some age groups should be critically examined. I'd also say Angela Constance was somewhat out her depth as Education secretary and it is a positive she has been replaced by Swinney. The 'attainment gap' is a serious issue and ought to be addressed (indeed it is welcome that the SNP have made a commitment to do so) but to pretend it hasn't been an issue in Scotland for decades if not centuries is just disingenuous waffle; quite clearly the SNP did not create such a gap in the past nine years. It quite clearly exists down south as well and the policies Ruth Davidson would presumably advocate of tuition fees and grammar schools would no doubt exacerbate the issue. So evidently there are issues with Scottish education but it isn't the horrendous failure critics of the current administration would like to portray. Certainly it isn't such a disaster as to call into question the general 'competence' of the government or Scotland's ability to be independent. The NHS is hardly perfect either but I would contend the SNP have done a better job of maintaining resource levels and weathering financial pressure than their counterparts at Westminster. Of course boards are under financial pressure but all the boards in Scotland are currently meeting their financial targets. Patient satisfaction is higher and waiting times are lower than anywhere else in the UK. More funding would be great but given the paucity of options the Scottish government has (and will have) for raising extra revenue quite clearly whilst within the UK our options for improving funding levels are seriously restricted. And at least the Scottish (Welsh and NI) government(s) haven't picked a ludicrous fight with junior doctors; if you want to see really low morale in the NHS take a trip down to Jeremy Hunt's patch. The reorganisation of Police Scotland had cross party support. Pretty sure the police service up here is still functioning last time I checked. Clearly there have been difficulties but in general the reorganisation was a sensible move. It would be nice if the UK Treasury dropped its petty insistence on charging them VAT as well. Aside from the reorganisation of the police and fire services what real evidence of this 'centralisation' agenda is there? It's a fairly tired unionist canard especially spun by the lib/con politicians of the south and Highlands to portray the SNP as central-belt Scots who don't understand or care for the rest of Scotland. Aside from the fact there's no evidence for that being true there's also equally little evidence the unionist parties have the slightest interest in rural Scotland either. I actually do not agree with the manner in which the SNP have retained the Council Tax and would have preferred they move to a Local Income Tax or at least be further along the process of doing so. Most local government expenditure is funded by the block grant from the Scottish government, the Council Tax would have had to rise very substantially to offset the cuts in that grant. Of course anyone with half a brain can trace the genesis of these cuts back to Cameron and Osbourne's austerity agenda in Westminster, which led to the general cuts in government expenditure across the UK. You just don't want to connect the dots. The bit about focusing on 'party political agendas' and not the 'national interest' is just meaningless drivel as per and I've already dealt with that. So you see you can make reasoned criticism of the SNP government's record. Indeed at no time did I allege their record in government was perfect. Then again I doubt any government anywhere in the world has a 'perfect' record, what with there not being, last time I checked, an actual utopia out there. The record of the SNP on the other hand is clearly not one of unmitigated failure as you'd like to portray it. Indeed as has already been pointed out to you they've been reelected twice, demonstrating they possess the general confidence of the Scottish public, and are also on certain of the issues you're apparently concerned about are demonstrably doing a better job than their counterparts across the UK. Nor does their record have any real bearing on whether or not Scotland should or could be independent. There is absolutely nothing in what you've said to back up your original pathetic argument that Scotland was 'too immature' to govern itself. I can't see how you really expect to be taken seriously when you claim on the one hand, in all apparent seriousness, that the SNP can't be criticised and you wouldn't be surprised to be hauled off to the jail for your 'daring' dissent against the Scottish government whilst at the same time pretending to be 'satirical' about claiming to live under a 'democratic dictatorship'. Mind you I don't think you actually understand what satire is.

I agree entirely.

We need a strong economy like what we have within the UK.

I've had my disagreements with him but what's been said here in absolutely no way lives up to the words you're putting in his mouth and the hysterical faux-outrage from yourself and Rob. It was pointed out that new younger voters and perhaps a switch in the voting intentions of EU nationals could benefit the Yes vote. He is correctly pointing out that English people moving here, who studies have shown to be in the extreme majority No voters, is an offsetting factor in terms of Yes's chances in the future. Those are indeed facts. His assertion that they all vote that way because of nationalistic reasons is an opinion but given Rob immediately backed it up by saying his Englsih wife voted No for nationalistic reasons, it's hardly the biggest slander of the century. Certainly, nobody's apart from yourself is going on about the "enemy within" or any such hysterical pish. Incidentally, I'm in favour of the residency rule for these things. Including rUKers who will vote 80-90% against is a disadvantage to the Yes side but that's something that has to be factored in and accepted for the sake of giving the people who live here a free choice on our future. Shame the UK Government weren't so open-minded with their Refendum,

It's a well-known fact that 87% of Fiat 500 drivers as 19 year old girls who study hair and beauty at college, drink more Costa coffees than seems humanly possible and are often seen Tweeting things such as "Maga on my mind[emoji7][emoji13][emoji56][emoji48][emoji102][emoji104]"

I don't endorse this in any way, but it rhymes.... Happy Birthday to you I went to Turf Moor I saw the Burnley manager And I thought it was you

Stop quoting the front page of the Daily Mail and start researching these things yourself. Oh and on the C/Tax freeze wait until you hear this belter. My LA has a Tory / Labour pact and since uniting solely to keep the SNP out of the town hall they have roared from the rooftops that the SNP C/Tax freeze was starving the Council thus causing all their financial woes. So when the freeze was abolished and a rise of up to 3% can be implimented what are those same hypocrits saying now......that for "the good of the people" they might not be increasing Council Tax so as not to hit the people in the pocket. All very comndable until you realise that the budget meeting announcing the new C/tax rates will be less than 8 weeks before the Council elections. Truly and utterly pathetic and hopefully the rock these total wasters will perish on. Hypocricy of the highest order.

Wholeheartedly agree with 1320, doing a great job with the footage & managing to put up some interviews. As one who can't make Gayfield very often, it's brill to get chance to see highlights. Keep up the good work.

You should take it as a compliment that Redstarstranraer is willing to give a lengthy response to your pish. I lost the will long ago.

FANTASTIC job you do by the way!!!! Genuinely, what an improvement from the Vimeo days!!! Know of many folk who cannot make Gayfield look forward to them every week so thanks for your work!!! Superb stuff it really is.

Aye. So tell me us more. Please note that it's entirely coincidental that my penis is out

If there are no other entries, that caption still won't win.

^^ Drives a white transit. ^^^ Looks East European. ^^^^ Has a glove box full of lollipops. ^^^^^^ BE A WEAR x

Last night in New Zealand before heading back to Oz. It's probably the most breathtakingly beautiful place I've been lucky enough to visit.

Rangers cheated, then they died. The current tenants at Ibrox don't seem to be very good. [emoji38]

And that's how I simultaneously find out that jeebsy replied to my tweet, and that my phone has somehow uninstalled twitter by its own volition.

Rangers have not banned Barton. They've just told him to stay away from the stadium and the training ground.

I've been on a bit of a roll the last couple of weeks. Probably means I won't win again till 2018.

I work in NHS Scotland in a clinical role. It's fair to say things have got worse over the last few years. However, the main cause of this is a lack of staff and an increase in workload. This is not just a Scottish problem, but UK wide - although it is certainly worse up here. Causes? Aging population, who are living longer. Complex patients with multiple health problems. Lack of community and family care for the frail elderly. Increase in medical technology and our ability to intervene. Poor workforce planning over many years. It isn't all doom and gloom. Morale seems better up here, community/hospital relationships seem better. I think generally, the NHS here is genuinely something to be proud of.

Anyone else think Victors voice sounds wrong this series? Sounds too much like Greg Hemphill.

You're fucking pathetic.

There's no reason why English people living in Scotland can't be persuaded to vote for independence; the research may indicate most voted no last time around but of the English people I know (where I know how they voted) it was actually about a 50/50 split for and against. In the current political context I would expect a good number of those English people who live in Scotland to seriously consider a yes vote especially given it may be a choice between a putative 'little England' style Tory regime and Scotland as part of the EU. Certainly many of the more left-leaning/liberal English voters up here might be keener to live in a Scotland they saw as open to the world and part of the broader EU community than an apparently insular, xenophobic post-Brexit Britain. In any case Yes campaigners ought to be targeting these people (like no voters in general) and persuading them of the merits of independence. Criticising them or attempting to single them out as the 'problem' will not only do nothing to secure their votes but also put off Scots who aren't keen on ethnic nationalism. If English people want to come up here and contribute to Scotland then we should welcome them as much as anyone from anywhere else in the world. Hopefully they will come to see the merits of an independent Scotland as readily as Scots if the arguments are made clearly and convincingly. If we get another referendum I'll be doing my best to persuade the English folk I know as much as the Scots anyway.

Oh I see. Only an absolute cuntflap would split hairs over such semantics. Now I get it.

I nearly put in an asterisk saying he's not been banned from Ibrox, but his press access has been revoked/removed. So he can go to matches, but not do his job. I didn't because I mistakenly hoped nobody would split hairs over this like a c**t. My bad.

The show currently on Sky Channel 153, 'Balls Deep' about an 'understaffed tugboat in New York Harbour' is not quite as exciting as expected.

Correct Rangers are dead, you and your fellow follow followers helped kill them with your arrogance, ridiculous sense of entitlement and then total lack of action when it needed you most remember? And I think you'll find the BBC are just protecting their employee, who was banned from reporting at Ibrox because he correctly reported some of your animal fans being arrested at Easter Road.

Was up at the game with my step da last night, good result but Dundee were very poor, thought the striker was excellent and Barton strolled about with a cigar in his mouth the full game but my MOTM was Devine, chased everything for the full 90 mins. Very good 3 points for you lot.

There must be something in it as when I bought the Audi I had been driving it for a while when I noticed the indicator tick tock thing was very quiet. Turns out it was because the indicators didn't work. Googled it and it suggested a new relay switch or to punch the dashboard. Naturally I went for the less fiddly option and they now work a treat.

It's not really a scam is it? "Would you like to buy a dodgy knock-off mattress from the back of a van in Dundee?". YGWYPF. Wonder if the vendor also offers electric blankets?

People who confuse being a socially awkward little church mouse for politeness. Need to go to a meeting on other side of town with someone who doesn't drive. Me: do you want a lift Them: oh really are you sure Me: yeah of course Them: only if it's not too much trouble I don't want to put you out. Me: it's fine Them: if it is trouble I can always get a bus Me: GET IN THE FUCKInG CAR!!!!

Why on earth should one of the most venerable and successful clubs in Scotland give a toss about a new club formed in 2012? The real reason why you're bothered about it though is because you're obsessed with the Union fleg; all the more ironic given that you opt to live in the Borders region of Scotland, that loves the Union fleg and everything it stands for. Gutted for you.

Promoted tweet popped up at some point yesterday - should have posted it in here!

Really? { double locks door, heads to panic room }

Finally got to pick up the Generations shirt on Saturday. Good to see the batches coming through finally.

Cheers, mate. I'll do my best to ensure the Forces of Light prevail over The Diddy Darkness. He is fairly knowledgeable, though - at least early in the day. maybe if I plant a couple of bottles in the Home dressing room...

I never pictured you looking like that.

Cant believe this wasnt in the running

Trading with Australia ffs. We're OK for boomerangs and dingos thanks.

Adam, why is there a monk praying at your radiator?

The Doris overhead kick was unfortunately out of focus when I looked back on it and not good enough to be put in the highlights sadly or I would have put it in just glad it did not hit the back of the net

Nobody going to point out that BFTD remembers sjc posting a picture of someone he (presumably) knows' cleavage in it over two years ago? Alrighty then.

Willie Miller is an ars*hole. I worked in a supermarket and declined his card once. I tried to be diplomatic and he was a complete pr*ck about the whole thing. It's not my fault he was skint.

I've already indicated to you that the idea Scotland is 'politically immature' is meaningless drivel in and of itself. Even if you don't think you're comparing Scottish politics to any other nation it is entirely valid to point out that the politics of every other nation on Earth feature division and entrenched interests: i.e. using that as an argument against Scotland and only Scotland being independent is an asinine gambit. Saying Scots aren't 'mature enough' to govern an independent state also insinuates whether you appreciate it or not that those states which are independent have reached the required level of maturity and indeed also that you think the UK government is suitably mature. You don't seem able to understand the implications of your own posts. And you're not 'just saying how it is' that's your opinion. Claiming that the Scottish government hasn't reached an arbitrary level of 'maturity' you yourself have decided is required before Scotland can manage its own affairs is hardly proffering some sort of objective fact. The constant bleating that you're only offering observations not giving opinions isn't fooling anyone in any case. There's absolutely zero evidence or justification for that claim as you well know. What a lot of 'delusionist' pish. The SNP government has actually faced probably the most intensive scrutiny and criticism from the press of any Scottish government since devolution. There is plenty of criticism of it out there in civil society as well in general. You're criticising it right now and I doubt that a door in Hawick is about to be broken down by the SNP Thought Police in the wee small hours of this morning. The efforts of Britnats to portray themselves as somehow being lone brave voices daring to stand up against an ever more oppressive SNP government whilst everyone else turns a blind eye out of fear or smug anti-English fervour is just pathetic. Actually 'an arrogant, right of centre, stagnant, divisive, 'delusionist' Govt.' would actually be a not bad representation of Theresa May's administration although to be fair to them I'm pretty sure much like the Scottish government they can be criticised. Democratic Dictatorship

Of course. Nobody would argue with your right to said opinion. That one the other hand I don't believe for a minute. The idea that Britnats such as yourself or RedRob would actually support independence if the Scottish government somehow 'proved itself' is disingenuous tosh. If the Scottish parliament were running things to your satisfaction you'd undoubtedly claim it was proof of the marvellous benefits of being part of the Union and demonstrated there was no need for change. What you call 'narrow party political interests' are no doubt initiatives such as the SNP targeting another independence referendum, i.e. you might consider supporting independence when it's no longer on offer. You make the 'generous' concession that if the Scottish government were to go away and shut up about constitutional affairs and somehow (it's hardly clear how exactly) 'govern properly' you may consider rethinking those very same constitutional affairs. It's basically nonsensical cant through which by pretending to be oh so sweet and reasonable you can portray your opposition to independence as something other than British nationalism. Literally nobody is going to buy it. Funnily enough seeing as they've been reelected twice with an increased share of the vote it would appear that the Scottish electorate in general actually think the current administration is running the country 'properly' and 'competently'. And now the Scottish cringe bites. 'Political maturity'? What is that even supposed to mean? The idea that Scots are not 'mature' enough to run their own affairs is just patronising drivel, especially coupled as it is to the inference that our 'big brothers' down south do have the requisite wisdom and ability to manage things we cannot yet cope with. Constitutional affairs are serious and important political issues, so discussing them is hardly a sign of 'political immaturity'. This idea that discussing self-determination for Scotland is actually a reflection of an obsession with England is ludicrous and bizarre. As has been said above funny how it is the unionists on here who are the most keen to drag discussion of England into every conversation about Scottish independence. The actual Yes campaign was noticeable for the political maturity it showed by focusing discussion almost entirely around what the powers, opportunities and challengers of independence would mean for Scotland. The childish playground discourse of 'you're a nationalist so you hate England' is being invoked by you in vain here, again nobody's going to buy it. Your argument, such as it is, really collapses around your ears here. The idea that Scottish politics are tribal, divisive, entrenched and exclusive whilst Westminster politics are not is so pathetically laughable nobody is going to take it seriously. Even at the best of times it would be implausible to say the least but at a time when an incredibly elitist Tory government is presiding over the shambles that is Brexit with all the associated division and rancour that has caused it becomes so absurd as to be comedic. If the argument is meant to be that our politics are as bad as those of the 'English' for such vices then why exactly is that an argument for maintaining the union? As an aside I'd be interested to hear which Western democratic countries are characterised by politics without tribal division or entrenched interests? Every country has their political blocs and divisions, and there is no reason to expect Scotland to be any different under independence or the union. Even before the rise of the SNP and the national question there were deep political divisions between different parts of Scottish society; it wasn't as if pre-Salmond nobody here ever disagreed about politics. Still, amusing to see your little supposed dream of a Scotland under the union where everyone is supposedly pulling together without any division or disagreement, all somehow 'included'. I know you put a lot of effort into your trolling but do at least try and keep it consistent. Only a few weeks ago you were arguing other workers shouldn't get Saturday pay because you don't. Hardly the view of a committed Socialist like yourself surely?

Well I for one like that patter.

Traynor did write this fantastic article to be fair.

David Bowie - The Prettiest Star

Lost over a year to a cruciate ligament while with us too.