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Arya to start a riot and try to snatch a child then?

Of course the violence is worse, but no one has said otherwise. The issue is that an actual club official at Rangers, rather than outright condemning sectarian singing, has tried to justify it by essentially saying 'Well yes it's wrong but what about this?' which is as good as no condemnation at all. The point is that they're both wrong, you can acknowledge that one is wrong and condemn it unequivocally without comparing it to the severity of the other offence. The actions of the Hibs fans on the day were worse than the actions of the Rangers fans and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves, but looking at the responses of the clubs since, we've had Hibs entirely accepting that their fans were in wrong and vowing to work with the authorities to see that those in the wrong are punished. In contrast, Rangers are completely refusing to accept any culpability on the part of their support, not only failing to condemn the violence but explicitly endorsing it. They lied about the SFA and Hibs by saying they haven't condemned violence when they have, and now they're trying to deflect from sectarian singing with whataboutery rather than outright condemnation. Hibs as a club have responded to the situation in a measured way and conducted themselves with class while Rangers have lashed out at everyone else and refused to accept any responsibility, dragging themselves through the gutter. Ultimately the transgressions of some Hibs supporters on the day were worse and therefore Hibs' punishment will be more severe, but Rangers should really be facing a disrepute charge for their statements after the fact.

Aye, but she's bound to notice eventually.

Being a Ranger I was born to be a Rangers supporter. I had no real choice in the matter. My father was a Ger, as was his father and his father’s father. I was accepted that as soon as I was old enough to be lifted over a turnstile I would attend Ibrox, faithfully. I worshipped at the shrine of Rangers for several decades. Fortunately for me, my father was the least religious and the least bigoted man you could wish to meet. His religions were the trade unions…..and Rangers. Because he was not bigoted our next door neighbour and dad’s friend used to take me to Parkhead to watch Celtic too. Something I enjoyed immensely as I felt convinced the ‘Tims’ could see right through me…..exciting! This caused me a bit of confusion at school when I was supposed to hate the ‘Tims’….some of my family were ‘Tims’…in fact my favourite aunty was a convert to Catholicism and was as devout and decent a Catholic as you will ever meet. The conflation of football and religion was as normal as the smog filled air we breathed. It just was what it was. You were either Proddy Ranger or Timmy Celtic. It wasn’t to be questioned. Only my dad questioned it…loudly and often. He tried to explain the wrongs of the situation to me many times. I remember asking him why he still was a Rangers man if he disliked the whole Proddy/Tim thing that went with it. “They are my team son….the morons can’t change that†he told me. I accepted this dichotomy for quite a few years or at least until I started attending Ibrox on my own and watched the rampant cretinism happening around me. My normal position in the Copeland was immersed in a sea of fuckwits some of whom came over on ferries from Northern Ireland to spew out unspeakable shite at anyone stupid enough not to be wearing a Rangers strip or scarf. I grew increasingly uncomfortable with the songs, the chants and the bile. I had heard stuff at Parkhead of a similar type and my Celtic mates hate it too it seems…but it just seemed more…..intense…definite..meant…at Ibrox. More than once I pulled up someone sitting next to me about the stuff they were spewing out…either they just looked at me and shut up or it got very unpleasant as they questioned my ’loyalty’. I spent more time listening to the chants and songs of utter hatred for ‘******s’ than I did watching my team play. Eventually I just stopped going. But even then I still supported Rangers as a couch potato supporter. Then something happened that changed my attitude totally. I had a son. At first, like my dad, I assumed the boy was going to be a Ranger…then I thought about it. There was no way I was going to take him to a game and spend endless hours explaining to him that what his fellow fans were belting out was ‘just a bit of fun’ and some ‘tradition’ that they maybe really didn’t mean…or maybe did….or not…at least not the good ones. “How can you tell the good ones dad?†was the future question that bounced around my head. The answer “The ones not singing†just seemed more and more pathetic. I resolved that he would grow up to be whatever form of football fan (or not) as took his fancy. I also resolved that my half hidden hypocrisy and plainly turned blind eye was no use to either Rangers or me. I decided we would part company. That was in 1992. I have been back to Ibrox once since then. My wife and myself, along with all the other small band of supporters isolated in a corner were subjected to non-stop venom, bile, foul-mouthed abuse and threats for the entire 90 minutes. My son’s girlfriend and her father came too but left at half-time…utterly disgusted at the things they saw and heard. We also had the distinct privilege of witnessing Armed Forces Day degenerate into a farce as some of those in uniform went to the Blue Order and danced and sang the same crap that had driven me away from Ibrox in the first place. One particularly helpful RAF type came over to us to give us the benefit of his knowledge about how we were all ‘Bitter cunts’ Commendably, one Royal Navy Commander (who I believe was sent down from the stands) tried to break up this ‘celebration’ of all things blue….to little avail. The scenes were disgraceful and convinced me that my decision all those years ago had been 100% correct. Those of a Rangers persuasion can call me a liar if they so choose. I don’t lie. Recently and because of the troubles they have inflicted on themselves as a club, Rangers have decided to play the victim card. It would be funny were it not for the hypocrisy involved. The recent press release regarding the idiotic actions of stupid Hibs fans is a case in point. It is at once, hilarious and pathetic. The great chant of “We are Rangers..super Rangers…no one likes us…we don’t care†rings a bit hollow these days. Perhaps they should be asking themselves why they are indeed, almost universally disliked within the Scottish game. Are all those supporters of all those clubs just jealous bitter b*****ds? Is that it? Are they all just wrong? I still have mates who attend Ibrox…they are good guys…they are just as ashamed of the crap as me. But even though they are the majority, they feel intimidated into not challenging the shite….such is the brutal vehemence of the minority of Ranger’s ‘support’. To my mind, the past few years have encouraged a problem that was an improving situation. The bitter nasty b*****ds have the upper hand again and there seems to be no will at the top of either Rangers or the puerile SFA to change things. So….that’s my wee rant. I expect to get the usual pelters for it…but I’m sick of the whole thing. Good luck to the many, many decent Rangers men and women……you will need it. The guy who wrote this has had some tasty replies from the people online.

Nearly a full week and Sevco fans are still entirely discombobulated and indeed utterly ruined. Haven't laughed this much since Rangers died. Thank you Hibs.

Fucking idiot, if you'd said Bayer 04 Leverkusen Fußball GmbH you would have had him there.

If Rangers from board to supporters weren't such utterly servile vermin, I might feel a shred of sympathy for them. It must be gut wrenching to have thought you'd done the hard work in the semis to face a Hibs team renowned for bottle crashes in the final, fully anticipating a win which would be a huge GIRFUY to the diddies and give you a European place, only to see it devolve into a nightmare of epic proportions thanks to an injury time goal, crowd violence, one of your fans trying to abduct a child and several days of hilarity and ridicule from all and sundry. A glorious end to a terrific season.

The Beatles - Please Please Me

INXS - New Sensation

Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Next

So you've not read it then. And no, I have no blog. As you know, I reserve my self important fannydom for here.

Shut your mouth ya bigoted *** p***k.

It sounds like another decent signing by Jack Ross and the fact that it makes it much less likely that we'll be starting with Macausland as a first choice is a bonus. Jack Ross seems to have taken a pretty sensible approach to building a new squad but I'm almost missing the excitement of last close season when we had no idea what to expect from the likes of Catalin Paun and Geoff Mitchell. Unfortunately we got the answer to that after the Berwick game - they were shit!

There was nothing wrong with the goods at the point of sale. We can't be held responsible for misuse after that. And we've already signed a keeper anyway

Muslims need their own team, IMO. Partick can become Glasgow Saracens.

Anyone remember Manimal?

Shit's getting serious over on Rangers Media. Maybe Hibs should just give them a wee look at the Cup to cheer them up.. http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?/topic/296214-demonstration/&page=5#comment-1063297654

After seeing the shirts i ended up choosing this one, all look pretty decent to be fair

Derry celebrationThank you

Oooh, Darryl McHardy is raging! Watch out Dylan! He loves our fans already

Lindisfarne : Clear White Light

Clear Light - Black Roses

I've just remembered that Greig Spence played in League One last season. ALL ABOARD THE GOOD SHIP RELEGATION. AHOY.

Why can't you just be happy for old Grim?

Who goes out on a night out and spends their entire time telling P&B what number pint they're on before making up a batshit mental lie about the police waking them up? Plenty folk have gone out and fell asleep, pished, in the street. I'd hazard a guess you're the first to do the former though. I suggest you get help and shouldn't be allowed out.

Ivegotpinkacidbootson

Steeleye Span - Lovely On The Water ( Correct ICTJ )

Ahl have you ya kent! In all seriousness, your arguments are unusually poor and, even more unusually, you are factually in error. All - all - of the players I named played at this level doing precisely what I suggested they were good at. So, unless you want to say that because Clyde encountered them most recently as league-one or Championship players that somehow invalidates my position, you should withdraw your counter-point. The basement league did, does and will continue to feature midfield generals. I have more recent examples on ice if you want to try me. The breed is far from unknown, albeit uncommon. Taking your reasoning to its conclusion: would you call Clyde negligent for pursuing Scott Linton? Clearly a bit good for this league, even still. And what about Stuart Kettlewell? Are you going to tell Queen's Park supporters that he was at best their sixth-most important player back when he was virtually winning them this league from centre-mid? Get in the sea son! I didn't even come close to suggesting you advocated using players in position in which they weren't comfortable. That point wasn't addressed to anyone in particular. And come on now "at no point did I, or anyone, advocate using players in positions where they weren't comfortable". Do I have to dig up the posts? There have been all sorts of mental suggestions re where to play players on here in recent memory. There was a time at which we, as a support, didn't give much thought to moving players from their known positions. We think about it a lot more now because we've been warped by years of shoddy to mediocre management; managers, not supporters, legitimised it. I didn't intend - and you knew as much, let's have it right - to ignore the successful movement of players into other positions by citing some of the poorer examples. My point is as above: we're habituated. We think it's normal. We should temper the impulse. In re of your examples, one could plausibly argue that we've derailed David Marsh's development by moving him around as we have. He showed promise as a centre back, much like McQueen. Will that promise ever be realised when he comes to be viewed forever after as a utility player? As far as I can tell that is the regard both Ferguson and much of our support hold him in. As for Linton, well patently he could play almost anywhere and do a job in this league. No argument there. Being an older player, too, he is of the sort one can move around without fear of spoiling potential. Brisbane isn't a daft example because he was brought in again for the final at full-back, despite alternative line-ups being available. Yes: he done well up at Elgin. But that's the start of the naivety: "Oh, he done a right good shift out of position that one time, Steven Brisbane, let's see if we can't make a full-back of him". You know exactly the thinking I'm on about, too. Remember Ricky Waddell's debut as a centre-forward? Ran the show. Next game? Whoaf. Alan Lithgow sitting-mid, Marvyn Wilson centre-back, Ross McMillan sitting-mid, Dave McKay anywhere at all, Iain Gray anywhere at all. And so many more in recent memory. We are particularly bad for this. Long story short: we should be loath to qualify the principle that players have played in their positions for as long as they have for a reason. That's really all I'm saying. Agree re the back three plus McGovern as the security. And yes: what I say is speculative by definition. Knowing the other side's shape, or ours, would make a difference. But what's your point? You're not suggesting that, on that basis, we should be content with a midfield less-good than it otherwise might be, are you? Put another way: because we can't be sure about X, Y or Z we should forget about bringing in a great midfielder. That would be utterly fatuous. You've obviously got a vision for the team which doesn't feature the midfield-general that I think we'd prosper with. That's fine. It doesn't preclude success - of course not. But let's not give off the impression that I'm in search of Nirvana. Or that Clyde have had a perfectly healthy approach to making utility-players out of otherwise established players.

Again, I don't disagree that we should look to loan the young guys out. I just take exception with the idea it's "doing them harm" playing in the 20's. To an extent they may be treading water playing for the 20's, but for it to be doing them harm would suggest they were taking a step back. I don't believe that to be the case at all having watched the lads frequently this season. When I first watched them I thought it was pretty dross. Compare that to what I saw near the end of their season. They scored a goal which came after a string of about 20 passes. They would develop further playing lower league games but to say playing for the 20's is doing them harm is a major disservice to what Eddie Warwick is producing with the young lads.

Charlie Puth ft Meghan Trainor - Marvin Gaye

Any chance we can get a petition going to stop other Hibs fans getting cup final tattoos until they've sobered up, stopped laughing at Sevco and remembered how to spell the club's name?

League Decider

vicky, cool yer jets, count to ten or I can see you flipping out and going on a cake hiding rampage.

Not with you, Willie - were you thinking "Lark In The Morning"? Martin Taylor : Georgia On My Mind

Correct, work in Inverurie

The Beatles : Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Wait for me.

Grant Lee Buffalo - The Hook ( Nils Illegitimi Carborundum )

They're both owned by Douglas Rae so he can put whatever he wants on the front of the shirt. I'd rather have had a dick pic of him ironed onto the front than the previous sponsor.

4 year olds

In denial of the benefactor from Brechin. Stop lieing to yourself and the Pie and Bovril community.

We need clarification from the We are the Predators.

No this isn't right, he'd have been better going on loan to Walsall or Mansfield to get first team football rather than waiting for his chance.

Good luck. When are your breasts getting done??

No sour grapes from this Rangers fan. 3-2 was a fair reflection of the 90 minutes. Plus I can't think of a better pro to score the winning goal than David Gray. Well in Hibees. A right reward for a decent season.

Of course it was obvious, you'd already seen it.