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They misunderstood when she said wok the corgis.

Disappointing, but not particularly surprising. Had started to hope McKinnon was going to stay having not immediately taken the job, but not so. Football, you cut me deep, man. As long as we still get the compensation, it'll be fine. On balance, I think I would rather this than us chucking the sink in terms of our budget to keep McKinnon. Only natural that we would try our best to keep him, but the club's financial position has been improving the last few years and I don't want that jeopardised for the short term gain of retaining Ray. I do however think that it speaks volumes about how highly the board thought of him that they would offer that.

The fact it's taking so long is obviously a good thing for us. Would be utterly delirious if he ended up signing a new deal with us. Come on Ray, do what's right. Fingers crossed.

It was all LIES!!!!!!

Fan power to keep Grantie? Canna deal with that goodbye on Sat

Can't see anywhere in the voluminous diatribe that proves Campbell Ogilvie knew nothing about the EBTs (of which he was a beneficiary) which I took as the thrust of the TOG article. I like how the blog says "he's not a rangers hater and therefore is alright" or words to that effect. IMHO not being a rangers hater is simply acceptance of cheating, theft and sectarian hatred and being a Rangers-CondonerTM is on a par with holocaust denier or rapist apologist.

You genuinely can't see what links all those quotes? The material you've sent on seems sensible enough by the way regarding the licence stuff - I didn't realise people were arguing about that. However can you explain why the word 'club' is used throughout that article? A long standing claim throughout this thread is that club and company were synonymous until it suited Rangers fans to separate them. Youve never once (to my knowledge) acknowledged that. Yes you can argue that they *shouldn't* be the same and that people have it wrong, but at least acknowledge that all and sundry regarded (and continue to regard, going by that article) club and company as the same. If you cannot concede the blatantly obvious then you've got a bit of a cheek expecting others to concede ground on anything you say. What does amaze me is an article in 2016 by a Rangers fan that continues to use the word club in relation to financial matters. You guys can't have it both ways.

He's a c**t

Get him signed up on a big wage, even if you have to cut back on other players. Promoted by Christmas, NAP.

I love Eddie! Should do a job for you lot.

The line "he literally locked the bloody doors" meant I read that whole thing as Michael Caine.

What?

Page 1 of this thread actually perfectly demonstrates how well the authorities got their version of events out there as being "the facts".

Do you genuinely believe there is a media agenda against a diddy club like Hibs?

You never even sold out one stand last night m8.

Aye, the Hibs fans still turning up in fancy dress as green seats

Haven't even sold out 2 stands Hopefully your unfathomable luck will come to an end here. Not that you'd manage to beat us anyway of course.

Cameron is a dud as manager. Crawford highly praised? Find me a coach in the Scottish game who isn't highly praised by fellow pros using a quick google! Really hope McKinnon stays as there is f**k all out there if he goes. Hope to f**k we don't go back to being Heart's bitch, taking any dud U20 player on loan.

I could have pedantically argued with them last night that we were on single track roads rather than single carriageway I don't listen to music for the most part, usually lengthy podcasts. Looks like I came 71st (ish) out of more than 150 last night. Delighted with that.

Hooker^^^

Bronn going with Jamie was supposed to be a one-off deal. He may well have just gone home, or I suspect he'll probably resurface in Dorne. Littlefinger returned to the Vale after being summoned to King's Landing.

I think this isn't the right time for McKinnon to jump ship, Dundee Utd is a poison chalice. Not me being selfish. But he has a good job at Raith and under no real pressure. Once Utd are on a level field financially then maybe he should consider it. Using fan power as we did before should convince Ray his future lies at Starks for at least another season, then assess the situation at DU. But I might be talking sheeiite.

Couldn't give a f**k.

Crawford is held in very high regard as a coach at Falkirk and Hearts. Don't assess him on his time as player manager at East Fife six years ago. ETA Just google Stevie Crawford and you'll find nothing but praise.

Without checking all the facts behind that post to support it, I must admit it sounds credible. I have always thought the idea that UEFA would kick any team out of club competitions for having an outstanding debt to the taxman sounded like nonsense. I am also in no shock whatsoever that resolution 12 is paranoid Celtic nonsense.

Icehouse - Don't Believe Anymore

To tell your people that another country has weapons of mass destruction, when you know that they haven't, so you can bomb them back to the stone age is pretty damn corrupt.

Heres a response to the resolution 12 guff from a poster on rangers media, seems to point out the various flaws that i suspected would be the case with the loonball element of the celtic fanbase being responsible for it, the usual stuff in evidence from res 12ers - missing evidence that would harm the res 12 argument, specially selected evidence and the usual generous helping of leaping to conclusions that the evidence does not support and wishful thinking, i imagine this is why the sfa laughed at the evidence presented and gave it short shrift UEFA Licence 2011 - Time to put this to bed. The recent report which claims that the SFA wrongly approved a licence for Rangers to play in Europe which was compiled by an Independent group (The Offshore Game) based on information supplied to them by Celtic supporters. The first thing to note is that, for once, I genuinely believe the author is independent and not a Celtic fan/Rangers hater. I believe however the evidence presented was tainted and hand-picked before sending it however I am about to prove why the report is wrong and why all the moon howling by Celtic fans on Resolution 12 is dead in the water. THE ISSUE In relation to the report there are 4 main accusations, which mirror the ones made constantly by Celtic fans, and Auldheid in particular, not forgetting John James though he falls into the first category: 1) As at 31st March 2011, Rangers had an overdue tax bill which meant the SFA should not issue a licence to play in Europe 2) As at 31st March 2011, Rangers claimed this bill was “a potential bill†instead of stating it was actually a bill which meant the SFA should not issue a licence to play in Europe 3) Even if the bill at 31st March was only “a potential bill†as at 30th June 2011, it had became a proper bill which meant the SFA should not issue a licence to play in Europe. 4) As at 30th June, Rangers declared that they had a bill but were waiting on a schedule of payments from HMRC, which meant the SFA should not issue a licence to play in Europe. THE RULES In order to understand each of the 4 accusations we first need to understand the actual rules they refer to which can be found here: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/80/54/10/1805410_DOWNLOAD.pdf In relation to the first 2 issues, Article 50 of the rules states: Article 50 – No overdue payables towards employees and social/tax authorities 1 The licence applicant must prove that as at 31 March preceding the licence season it has no “OVERDUE PAYABLES†(as defined in Annex VIII) towards its employees as well as social/tax authorities as a result of contractual and legal obligations towards its employees that arose prior to the previous 31 December. To understand what constitutes an “OVERDUE PAYABLE†we need to turn to Annex VIII as directed. Annex VIII states: ANNEX VIII: Notion of ‘overdue payables’ 1. Payables are considered as overdue if they are not paid according to the agreed terms. So to be crystal clear, a Social Tax is ONLY considered as “OVERDUE PAYABLE†if there is a debt owed to HMRC (or other tax authority) and that the terms of the amount due have been agreed then not met. Article 50 and 66(later) solely deal with overdue pyables. To help understand if our club had a debt which met the above, we can use the evidence in The Offshore Game report. Here is the timeline of the evidence: 3rd March - Andrew Thornhill recommends to the Rangers Board that they "seek a settlement" with HMRC in relation to the Small Tax Case 21st March - A hand written note states that HMRC have agreed "IN PRINCIPLE" that the settlement seems the right thing to do. A decision which then needs to become a formal offer by HMRC and an agreement by the Club. 31st March - 1st disclosure due to SFA for licence by the Club. At this point, the Social Tax is NOT overdue as no formal agreement has been reached and no payment date set by HMRC. This means according to Clause Viii of UEFA guidelines they are not "overdue if not paid according to the agreed terms" I have no idea if Rangers disclosed them on the submission, however if they did, they would have done so without any formal disclosure requirement. 1st April - Rangers released their interim accounts confirming: "Discussions are continuing with HMRC to establish a resolution to the assessments raised." This is in line with the evidence presented in the report. Again to be clear. As at 31st March 2011, HMRC had not made an official agreement with Rangers nor set out the terms of which they wanted any money to be paid. According to UEFA own rules, the £2.83m was NOT an “OVERDUE PAYABLE†and therefore required no disclosure whatsoever as part of the licence process. Therefore the evidence actually shows that Issue 1 and Issue 2 outlined above are false and that the licence requirements were fully met. Moving onto the more contentious Issues 3 and 4. To understand if we broke any guidelines here, we need to refer to Article 66 which states: Article 66 – No overdue payables towards employees and/or social/tax authorities – Enhanced 1 The licensee must prove that as at 30 June of the year in which the UEFA club competitions commence it has no overdue payables (as specified in Annex VIII) towards its employees and/or social/tax authorities (as defined in paragraphs 2 and 3 of Article 50) that arose prior to 30 June. 2 By the deadline and in the form communicated by the UEFA administration, the licensee must prepare and submit a declaration confirming the absence or existence of overdue payables towards employees and social/tax authorities. 4 The following information must be given, as a minimum, in respect of each overdue payable towards social/tax authorities, together with explanatory comment: a) Name of the creditor; b) Balance overdue as at 30 June, including the due date for each overdue element. 5 The declaration must be approved by management and this must be evidenced by way of a brief statement and signature on behalf of the executive body of the licensee. In summary the above requires the same disclosures as 31st March but clarifies what you need to do in the circumstance that you do have an overdue payable and this is where the confusion really kicks on for the authors and Celtic fans complaining about it. For understanding of our situation, here is the timeline between 1st April and 30th June as presented by the author of the report: 5th May - HMRC make a formal offer of settlement for the club to decide to pay or not and give the club 11 days to sign the offer(16th May) and a further 30 days after the signature to pay it(15th June). At this stage, this is still not an "overdue payable" according to UEFA rules. This letter also confirms that no bill was formally agreed prior to 31st March. 6th May - Craig Whyte takes over Rangers. 20th May - As Rangers, now under different ownership, failed to agree to the offer received on the 5th May sent to and agreed by the previous owners, HMRC issue Formal determinations to the value of the agreed amounts made by the previous Board. The amount is now an “overdue payable†according to UEFA rules and subject to disclosure for the first time. 6th June - MCR write to HMRC on behalf of the club asking HMRC to consider a payment schedule and to allow more time for the new owners to work out cashflow and working capital. There is then no evidence of any replies from HMRC which is quite surprising given that other documents from HMRC which paint a "bad picture" seem readily available yet the 1 document which can prove beyond any doubt the situation at 30th June is missing. 30th June – Ken Olverman emails Craig Whyte to confirm that he is disclosing the “overdue payable†and commenting that they are waiting a schedule of payments from HMRC as per the letter dated 6th June. CRUCIAL CLARIFICATION POINT UEFA regulations do not forbid a club from having an overdue payable. UEFA regulations do not state that if you have an overdue payable, that you cannot get a licence. UEFA regulations simply state that if you have an overdue payable then under Article 66 section 4 that you must disclose the debt and state why its overdue. Ken Olvermans email is 100% consistent with this. Rangers disclosed their overdue payable. Rangers followed the regulations. The licence was issued. MALAGA RULING The report gets another aspect hugely wrong by referring to The Malaga Ruling. It states: "The (Malaga) judgement confirmed that in order to meet the rules, a club must have written agreement in place to pay any outstanding tax liability" which is completely wrong. The Malaga judgement confirmed that the "EUR 8,450,000 had to be considered as OVERDUE, because of the lack of any written agreement between Malaga and the tax authorities." This ultimately means that as an OVERDUE amount, Malaga had a duty of disclosure under Pargaraph 4 of Article 66. It does NOT mean that they had to have a written agreement in place to meet the rules. It also does NOT mean they wouldnt have got a licence if properly disclosed. Malaga failed to disclose this amount completely and this is why they breached the rules. The overdue payable in itself was NOT a breach of the rules. It is important to note at this stage that if any club has a written agreement with the tax authority then no disclosure is required at all. This does not change anything in relation to our situation, as we did not take that route. We disclosed it. It is also even more important to note that in the case of Malaga, on the 30th June, they disclosed an overdue payable of 9.42m EURO(this was in addition to the undiscosed amount above) yet they were granted a licence by the RFEF (Spanish SFA) and the licence was rubber stamped by UEFA. Rangers fully disclosed an overdue payable of 3.4m EURO(35% of Malagas) yet some would have you believe the SFA should not have granted the initial licence. They use Malaga ruling (wrongly) when they want to and ignore it when it doesnt suit the agenda. SO THERE WE HAVE IT 31st March – HMRC had not officially agreed the final bill and given a due date means no disclosure was required. Rangers may have actually have disclosed it incidentally, but it was not a requirement. 30th June – Rangers had to disclose the overdue payable and comment on the current position. They did this. There is a further checkpoint at 30th September, however by this time, Rangers were out of Europe and have not had a licence since. Any noise around the 30th September is just nonsense. THE OFFSHORE GAME All of the above has been sent to the author, over various emails and he agreed it was “very thoughtful†and “consideredâ€. A review was promised with the co-author however on Twitter yesterday, the account continued to reply to tweets on the subject with no sign of taking a step back and considering this game changer. A few of my acquaintances have taken to other forms of Social Media to ask questions of others with a lot of sweeping, blocking and deleting going on. Its funny that all of these people cry for these things to be out in the open yet when presented with credible evidence, they shrink into the tortoise shell. We await a reply and correction from the author of the report unless evidence is hiding in the wings to disprove the position above. UPDATE : The author has replied and accepted a number of points around other issues not listed above. There is ongoing dialogue at present and I will update once we reach a conclusion.

Richard And Linda Thompson : Hokey Pokey (The Ice Cream Song)

Back getting there, doc says to try a jog at weekend.

I'd happily see your kicking idea rolled out, but to be perfectly honest the public who buy them sicken me more. I don't care if it's "just for the football". I don't care if your lovely auntie "just doesn't get politics", and "just buys the same paper she's always done". There's a ready litany of excuses folk trot out for people funding and enabling the filth that make these papers. As far as I'm concerned everyone involved in writing, distributing, advertising in, and especially buying these rags is a shit.

So we've got someone on here that either pick shites out their arse and ping it at others & someone who just shites on people. Weirdos.

Happened to be at Edinburgh Airport today and saw Juan Calderon and Javier Payo at the arrivals desk.

I asked this at the time. Two clubs from the same league representing different countries. I'm almost certain there is an answer on the Europa League thread. ETA: Here is HibeeJibee's answer, which I assume to be correct because I can't be bother fact checking, and he usually is correct on these things.

Tabloids are a disgrace. In fact the vast majority of news outlets are, but tabloids are among the worst. Every single person who works for a tabloid deserves a severe beating. They just spend their lives making the world a worse place. They don't care about the impact of what they do, as long as they get attention and the cold hard cash. They have zero morals and basically hound people, often to death, for money. Its fucking sickening. And yet so many in our society continue to contribute by buying those fucking rags and being obsessed with the celebrity culture. These morons just love having their strings pulled. They get to w**k over a famous person doing an utterly mundane thing whilst over there the government is ripping us off and making things worse for the majority whilst they cream it in for themselves and their corrupt buddies.

Magee has become that bloke in the pub that sits on his own listening to the conversations around him, then leans in to one and makes a comment he thinks is hilarious but results in an instant awkward silence and the group of people shuffling off looking worried. When you're a tedious creepy loner, stop trying to be amusing on EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD.

I can understand using headphones when training on your own. But in a race, seriously, you don't need them. You get a far better experience NOT using headphones in a race. Mind you, I've only ever used headphones in one race before, a parkrun. Never again, it just didn't feel right.

And this right here? This is Big Cass and he's 7 foot tall and he can vanish into thin air. And you Can't. Teach. That!

You know what's good to see? The total bitterness and hate for Rangers is still strong but it's tempered by fear these days. All the nonsense blogs from Ill Phil etc have been proved to be just that.....nonsense. We're seeing fear not mocking now. Myself, purely out of Sporting Integrity, I love my team as they are capable of beating Celtic unlike many as evidenced this season.

Because your roster is full. Don't worry though, when I extend the rosters you will show as having your picks. You can check what picks you have by going to Team > Picks. Alternatively, if you cut some players your picks will show.

Point proven. An absolute seething diddy mess.

Played to Welshbairn - knew it would pay off for the lad in the end.

And I've genuinely never seen you make an interesting post, you tedious c**t.

Semi-literate shite. Kincardine must be in a good mood otherwise he'd have had you for that. Think yourself lucky and up your game pronto.

Unfortunately for you UEFA coefficients are based on a five year window rather than a 50 year one. I know it's unfair but them's the breaks

Not embarrassed. More annoyed that we didn't steal and rob more charity money than we did.

People saying RISE would have added to Holyrood are guilty of projecting their idea of what an effective intelligent left wing party would look like onto a bunch of silly kids.

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