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Probably the only thing more tedious than Orcs and Dense Boy keyboard-farting at one another is Orcs and WRK keyboard-farting at one another. Page after page of "You're stupid!" Nuh-uh! You're stupid!" "You're a bigot!" "No, YOU'RE a bigot!" "You're obsessed with me!" "No, you're obsessed with ME!" Goodness sake - can we get these guys a room, and leave everyone else to discussing and debating the (hilarious) continuing downfall of The Rangers, "pleasing" gifs, updates on how many season tickets have been sold, how many tea ladies have been sacked to keep Sally in pies, the astronomically unrealistic budgets and "plans" and photoshopped pics of "Big Hoose Guy"?

Nadir Cifci "The bad players on the pitch will always look for the best players on the other team and swear at them "

Reckon yesterday was a pretty unacceptable performance. It's time to face the reality that too many of the younger players simply aren't good enough over the course of a season. Many are decent in individual games but simply lack consistency. Of course all players, even the best ones, will go through spells where they aren't playing so well, but too many of our players do it too often and are shown up against the better teams. Also there is no excuse for how weak and how easily the team were out-muscled. The team were given, rightly I think, a bit of a 'bye' in terms of performances and results and the younger players were given a chance to prove themselves after the near death of the club. Some have taken this chance and should be kept on, but others should not be kept on. We can't afford to keep paying those who aren't good enough. Some of the more senior players should also be allowed to leave. I feel the time for letting some players off with too many poor performances and mistakes is over. I'm not saying that we be critical of players and boooo them, but I do think we really need to have a look at the squad and accept that some aren't good enough. Obviously we don't have the money to go out and sign a whole load of players, but if players are allowed to leave and thus free up wages, we should be looking to improve areas. The defence is the main area, as frankly we've been pish there all season. Morris started off well but has simply not lived up to his inexplicable hype. Page is pretty poor and I'm not sure where all the great praise for him came from. Williamson simply isn't a defender and should be used more as a winger. Did you see his laughable attempt at a tackle for Cowden's third yesterday?! Thought Whittle was very unlucky to lose his place to Grainger. I'd punt Grainger and play Whittle at left back. He isn't actually that good going forward/on the wing as has been proven recently. The midfield is an area where I think we are alright if we can keep key players but we need width. Geggan got the POTY and for a reason; would love to hold on to him. Falkingham has been poor over the last few games, but I thought had a very good season overall and would love to keep him. Husband flatters to deceive too often I feel. Forbes has been a disappointment. What we really need to strengthen is width I feel. Upfront we've been really unlucky with the three main strikers being injured for so long. Hope we can keep Wallace and would be pleased to see Shankland and Moore back if we can get them on loan again (and hopefully if Moore recovers). Those three and Smith would be brilliant. The main change I'd like to see however is in the management. For some reason some people have called Jeffries a 'legend' Utter garbage. He is nowhere near that and never will be for the Pars. I'm afraid his record can no longer be ignored. Whilst it would be harsh to blame the relegation from the SPL on him, he was unable to do anything to halt the slide. The points deduction cannot be blamed on the relegation from the First Division. Even after the points deduction, it was still in our hands to avoid the playoffs and we blew it. Then came the playoffs, with two disgusting displays away from home and ultimately a relegation. Then this season the slump towards the end of the season was highly alarming. The performance at Stranraer was poor and the performance at Central Park was terrible. However we still had the chance yesterday to do it but turned in an utterly abysmal performance, probably the worst of the season. Even the game at Station Park where we were pumped 4-0 we played better (quite a bit better actually). How long can he get away with such results and performances now? I'd also like to see Neil McCann go as I don't think anyone who peddles the bullshit that 'Scotland needs the 'old firm'' should be at the club. Who to get in? Not sure and it's not my job, but there are plenty of options I'd imagine. Just not Kenny Shiels! Finally I want to comment on the Leishman thing before the game yesterday. No idea why so many are attacking him and spouting pish about how it was 'all about him' or 'ego driven' etc etc. Leishman is in no way exempt or above criticism, and should he do anything to deserve should be rightly called out on it. But all he did yesterday was to take a unique opportunity to tell thousands of fans who aren't usually at East End about the Pars Lifeline scheme. He tried to get the fans to quieten down so he could them about it. That's all. As for the aeroplane thing, he was encouraged by loads of folk to do it and only did so for about all of three seconds. If he didn't I'm sure folk would rip him that too. Can someone explain how those actions make it 'all about him' or were 'ego driven'? How dare he try and raise awareness of a scheme that helps raise money for the club! What a dick! Boooooooo!

The best "long weekend" of my life So much still to do but the picture all Saints fans wanted to see is below.

Totally agree. It was only a few months ago that some of our fans were seriously suggesting we had four or five better options than Wright (and Anderson) at centre back. I think Tommy Wright sums it up best. On Tommy Wright, again agree with what you said about him too. As wily as they come but then we saw that with the way he approached the Rosenborg tie with such positivity and in total contrast to the defeatist rubbish from Pat Fenlon. He did it against Minsk too and we more than had the measure of them in the only real sour point of the season. We got what we deserved at Tynecastle in February for making stupid mistakes but we were deserved much more from our European campaign. Wouldn't put it past Wright and this group of players to kick on in that competition come July and August if we get a wee bit of luck with the draw.

Also, can I just say that Sweet Caroline should be our St J anthem. It's played at every home game right? We should be singing that song 5 minutes before kick-off, scarfs held aloft, every home game. it could easily become our "Walk Alone" or "Sunshine On Leith." Can you imagine every Saintee singing that - would be class. Should organise it for the next European home game. Get a song sheet on every seat.

Your club's extensive experience with life support machines would be greatly beneficial at this time. Thank you for your concern.

It's surprising the amount of fans who swallow the P.R and take it as gospel. The clubs finished, the damage that has been done is far too great to rectify. Long term contracts which are crippling the club, Whytes claims on the club, the neglect of coaching and scouting systems etc. Our fans have woken up far too late.

The Undertones - Teenage Kicks

Awkward.

Hmmm - the 2 cheeks alliance is still strong

Agreed. Love all the pointing and laughing and I am keen for the humiliation to continue. However if the dream of there being nothing left but a smoking hole in the ground, some folk in jail and all those memories isn't going to come to pass, then the goal is for there to a be a team, probably called rangers, probably in glasgow, no doubt in blue (maybe in orange) being run properly, not cheating, not stealing, acting in the best interests of the game and displaying the nation and it's favourite sport in a positive light. For that to happen, walking away right now is the correct course of action. The issue is, quite a lot would have to not come back too. Tedi, we seriously disagree on a number of points but it deeply saddens me to think that for you no rangers = no football. I watched not far off 9 hours of live football this weekend, none of it involving my team and lets be fair, there hasn't been many end of season "big games" for the dons recently, but I have still watched most cup finals over the last 20 years. I would be distraught if the dons did a sevco, and utterly embarrassed if my club was in the state newbunz are in now. But the idea of giving up football just because my team isn't there is like giving up eating food because marmite had been banned. I just don't get it mate.

First congratulations to Saints. At least we got put out by the eventual winners. Seem contrasting posts on here about the United fans. You'll always get some idiots on occasions like these, but both United and Saints fans have seemed absolutely class whenever we've played them. Back in 2010 when United beat us in the semi-final, their fans were very gracious in winning saying that they wished us all the best for the rest of the season. Also, has there ever been a more sour club than Dundee? Quite funny that they're trying to rip into United who've achieved so much more over the last 30 years.

Go watch Hearts

Chris Spedding - Motorbiking

I'm just, generally, a glass half full kind of guy, tbh...I always live in hope rather than expectation with the Pars, lol.

Was it not Minty's 'close' relationship with RBS that started the whole thing off ? You can hardly blame Craig & Charles for dodgy banking.

They also, if I recall correctly, would provide a bowl of water for your dog to enjoy while you went about your business. For those not around at the time - that seriously was part of their start-up ad campaign.

Roxy Music - Love Is The Drug

I think John Curtice pointed out that had ICM not tweaked their weighting methodology slightly this time out, it would have churned out 60:40 for No excluding Don't Knows. It seems as though there has been a slight fall in Yes support, but that the magnitude of it is largely accounted for by the previous ICM poll being somewhat of an outlier in being excessively favourable to the Yes campaign. The true picture is probably simply that in the last 2 months support has been broadly static. Much like it has been across most polls since the turn of the year. Most of the swing people keep talking about, as I pointed out a few months ago, happened between September and January. If Yes are to be confident of a win, they have to gain about 2 points a month across the board. That would be a pretty impressive and unlikely surge at the moment, considering especially that in the last 4 months, there has been a net change of about 1-2% in the poll of polls posted earlier.

Uniting Nations - Out Of touch

Chris Farlowe - Out of Time

Hmm...........I don't think the good citizens of Manchester would agree with that.

The Motors - Airport

Apologies to all but I'm C+P'ing my result today. Best ever. Your results 8 out of a possible 10 A superb score. Really well done! Share your results. How do you compare? Congratulations! You beat the average score of 5 for this quiz I am now like a dug wi' twa cocks.

Congratulations to the Saintees. Finally got that trophy! Well deserved too.

No idea who my mate from Ayrshire is. I have no interest in where you stay...You are the one that claimed Rangers fans were thin on the ground where you stay yet have 3 'friends' who support Rangers. It was you who brought up where you stay and your circle of friends. It was you who mentioned the Sheffield Wednesday 'friends' of yours. I have no idea who the morons are you talk about. It is not me that hates WRK. I was looking for a particular post from you the other night and if you go back to when you first joined to now it is quite unbelievable how this has all affected you...Either that or you just couldn't hide your hatred for all things Rangers. It certainly did not take much for you to crack. As Bloom says you are everything you claim to hate. I have admitted in the past to being a hate filled idiot in my younger years (some wrongly claim i still am that person...Nothing i can say or do to change their opinion but i live with that and can understand them as they don't know me) believe me letting go of all that hatred was the best thing that ever happened to me and i am a better person for it. You need to do the same. Judge people as individuals not as stereotypes and TBH your stereotype is a tad outdated as the Rangers support is nothing like the Rangers support of even ten years ago as many will testify to. Of course we still have idiots and i am not denying it is annoying that , like you, they live in a past we could all do with leaving behind.

1. Locate pie. 2. Boot it.

Wrong information here. It's actually a Panamanian international with Bundisliga experience, Guillermo Suarez. #ExcitingtimetobeaFifer

You really come across as a very bitter person with an inherent hatred of the only person who steped up to the plate and tried to save your club. You seem ungratful to the man who done his utmost to keep Rangers from dying and when he failed you turned on him, shame on you. P.S. just for shits and giggles could you please tell us how much you and your family lost?

I've just been reading the last couple of pages of this thread and i know i've said it before but WRK you really come across as a very bitter person with an inherent hatred against a football club (Rangers), the fans of that club, ( in your own words, as you describe," there are no decent Rangers fans"). Then you go on( "scum everyone of them"), this coming from someone who tries to come across as a great Socialist, never in a million years are you what you try and perceive yourself. So give it a rest, please. the poster, ' Bloomogganers' summed you up very well indeed and full marks to him for that,and although i can understand his criticism of Rangers, your criticism is based solely on a bigoted attitude.

Where bigotry and hatred are concerned, it is black and white for me..................................there your own words............ are you going to answer the question how would it then read to you? I welcome lessons in many things, learning till the day we die, providing you keep an open mind, perhaps you should try it, just a thought. ps Bullshitting replies like yours is the mark of someone in denial, you see it a lot from bigots, btw not a dig.

Oh I don't doubt that you think you despise it, the problem is you revel in it yourself, that is what makes you a bigot. Your use and defence of the stereotype shows this. If all you got is going down the grammar nazi route crack on, doesn't put me up nor down as it's not me who is being the bigoted nazi, that would be you. All these things you proclaim to detest you have become. Your posts I find worse than any Old Firm fans where it comes to the use of bigoted remarks, that you can't see this I find odd. Do as I say not as I do should be your mantra.

Would've loved to have seen Steve Lomas's coupon at 1650 yesterday tbh.

Question tho Is Tom still alive? He wasn't there when the police went in at the end

100% This. These guys are like Japanese Knotweed, nigh on impossible to remove without a severe and total removal of the plant, soil and surroundings. Without that, they will ALWAYS be there, in the background, leeching valuable nutrients from all around them. With the masses that like to attach themselves to the Club and it's "history" it makes for fertile soil... Get the excavators out if you want rid of this all encompassing weed.

Incredible day. Not even drunk, but I will make sure that I am totally wasted by the end of Sunday. Hasn't quite sunk in yet that I've just witnessed my team winning the Scottish Cup. Funnily enough, I thought we played nicer football against Aberdeen in the semi-final, but every player gave it their all today. Well done, guys. Oh, and they played my song after Saints lifted the cup. And quite a few people were actually singing along. They knew the words. A total dream.

You appear to share more than matchday experiences with Tedi. Of course fans of Dunfermline, Hearts and others celebrated when their clubs managed to survive. Now, 1. Which of these clubs stole from the Treasury in order to survive? and, 2. Do you feel that rangers fans did anything constructive in order to avoid the club's death? You show me any other club which stooped to criminality in order to survive, and I'll castigate them just the same. And just to clarify your revisionism: 1. No-one was relegated to D3. A new club was admitted. 2. Your old club was not "financially cheating". They were stealing. From the Queen, at that.

1. "54 titles" (there's even at least one fuckwit on here claiming 56,ffs). There's also a poster who has a smug wee quote from Vicky as his sig admitting that they cheated. 2. "We're the same club". So name the clubs who took part in the vote to allow the new team into the SPL? 3. " I personally feel relegation to the 3rd division is an apt punishment.. " - from your own post above - they weren't relegated, were they? 4. See point (1) above. Name me another club which has stolen millions from the Treasury - another club which went spectacularly tits up leaving even half as much debt behind them. My club were actually having quite a decent spell while your old mob were cheating their way to success. An extra league placing or two would have meant a substantial difference in prize money. The same applies to all clubs playing in the SPL during that time. To continue to follow the club at ibrox, and to claim that they are the same rangers who won those titles and cups, is to condone the behaviour of the old club. I fail to see how anyone with a shred of decency can do so. And, for the avoidance of doubt, this would be my opinion if Aberdeen, Hibs, or even Killie had behaved in a similar fashion. That's not bigotry, that's simply a sense of right and wrong. That it was a vile institution such as rangers which was caught simply made the initial collapse more satisfying, and the subsequent attempts at whitewashing much, much more distasteful.

Tonight I was drunkenly told by P&B's Sampfan101, also known as Marc 'VL' Wallace, about the time he lost his virginity. It was the first time I'd met him and it was a beautiful story.

He didn't lose anything. The £20m was money he should have paid in tax, but he found a convenient place to stash it instead. It wasn't Dave King who was the shareholder in Rangers - it was 'Ben Nevis': You can confirm this here: http://www.murray-international.co.uk/news_archive/rangers_football_club/news02.htm The shares 'Ben Nevis' owned were frozen, and then seized by SARS along with all the other assets - and while the court case was playing out, Rangers went into admin and were then liquidated. So, the cash was stolen, and he would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky SARS kids - but once they were onto 'Ben Nevis', it was gone.

This ^^^ Just a pity i've ran out of greenies.

Surely the proven homophobe, racist and bigot No.8 is not trying to take the moral high ground is he ? Do I not recall that he posted about not mixing with R.C's and or Celtic fans but then gave it the old my wife / some of my best friends are.... Back under your stone No.8 you two faced pr*ck and take your get a long gang.

For a few days Norman stopped posting - Things were discussed and there was very little bickering and sniping/ Guess who returns and the thread is turned into a complete and utter shitfest.

This is probably the worst post you have ever made and makes me suggest you get psychiatric advice rather seek catharsis through The Big Thread. The blokes who post on here are neither your nemeses nor your counsellors. We are simply ordinary blokes who post on a message board. For you to use the thread to work through your psychiatric history is growing old. Take a break, eh?

He is dead. get over it.