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Interesting debate, good to see on here. Why would expulsion or suspension as a punishment NEVER happen? Is it because deidclub were a special case and some rules don't apply to them? If so where is the fairness in that? If they had taken a year off, got a new, well behaved, financially stable club up and running for this season I actually think they could have been let back into the top flight, without much rancor. As it happened we had the ludicrous circus of Charles Green leadership, and a club now owned, and run by gangsters. Brilliant Sure the club is allowed to ask for clarification, but do they need to ask via a club statement, which bearing in mind the tendency for intimidation and violence their support has, I would think is tantamount to incitement to riot and is again bringing the game into disrepute. "we fully understand the rising anger among our fans" Totally irresponsible and more grist to the-foam-at-the-mouth mill, that is sevco. If the SFA had any testicles they would fine them another 50k for that. Why the maximum penalty of a 50k fine? Because I would regard last years disgrace as aggravated administration, and because the panel were allowed discretion as to what the penalty was. They chose the maximum and I can't really see an argument for not imposing the maximum after the way the olddeadclub handled itself. You want parity and fairness but you only want it for yourselves. Rangers died then, TheRangers are a disgrace now, Dignified behaviour? NEVER.

Hey No8, I noticed you offered this very fine post of mine one of those reddie things the other day. You chose not to elaborate by posting any arguments against what I'd said. Well within your rights of course, something you do frequently and not a problem. However, I notice also that you berated poor old German Jag along these lines: "Nobody cares you red dot posters but red dotting and adding nothing to the debate is just the act of a coward IMO. Scared to post your opinion but willing to publicly denounce others...pretty tragic." Now it's almost as if what we're seeing here is some sort of naked hypocrisy. Yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands at the moment, and yes, you can respond to this with a predictable reddie.

I know. As if you'd get subservience from people with a 'Born to Reign Over Us' banner.

Thou shall never doubt thy Murray

I think we should all applaud Chuck's reappearance. It would seem he can't do walking away!

Hollies - He Ain't Heavy

No no no. Do NOT ask them hard questions!

god pietersen looks so OLD, where are our lives going, they're slowly ebbing away, ebbing away like tears in the rain

Perfect expression imo, I hope it's fixed. A defender should never smile.

You play in League 1 and haven't even won a challenge cup, in case you haven't noticed, Sevco are a diddy club / company

What do you get if you cross Prince Phillip and the Queen?

Emperor re-forming to play Wacken 2014.

Donna Summer - MacArthur Park

Cutting Crew - (I Just) Died In Your Arms

Mather could have raised the question direct to The SFA and awaited their response before making a public 'what's this fkg nonsense' type statement. He has done it for purely 'rabble rousing' effect. This club are making no attempt at integrating with the rest of Scottish football, they have no interest in the good of the game in this country and The SFA have to grow a pair and tell them to shut it. The statement The SFA should have given last year but didn't:- ''If Rangers FC should fail to exit administration by any way other than liquidation, the club will be deemed to have ceased to exist. Should any individual, group or company purchase the assets, with a view to trade as a football club, they will have to apply for membership of The SFA and - in event of such membership being granted - apply to join the league set-up at the bottom level. The new club shall not be permitted to use the name Rangers FC or any other name deemed by the SFA as being too similar. Further, the new club shall not be permitted to market itself, in any way that would imply an association with the old club.'' This would have made it clear to all and 'the rangers minded' may then have mobilised themselves properly and saved the club from this fate. At least everyone would know what to expect.

Split Enz - I Got You

The Kinks - Dead End Street

Popcorn at the ready folks: http://news.stv.tv/west-central/234830-former-chief-charles-green-returns-to-rangers-in-consultant-role/

Got it this time Commish. So thats a week on Sunday at twelve.

Never heard of him, but let me just say "He'll no dae! Murray out!"

Indeed. For "we fully understand the rising anger among our fans", I think we can read: "we fully understand and wish to stoke the rising anger among our fans, because we recognise its value in marketing terms".

Bobby Vee - The Night Has a Thousand Eyes

The offical website has been updated as well. It also says over 30500 tickets sold for the morrow and the likelyhood of more tickets going today as well The place will be jumping.

Texas Forever, Six.

A former player had that expression, think he ate someone's weans...

Pulp - Common People

The Doors- People Are Strange

Dreadful news about big Colin madam. He was only.62. I remember him from his start at dumbarton. He was big strong and enthusiastic.he played for several other teams and will be sorely missed.

Howlin Wolf - Spoonfull

RAGING Bob Willis has been in superb form tonight re: the umpires "Maybe they need a hearing aid as well as a guide dog". "Total, total incompetence" "some of the worst umpiring I've ever seen".

We don't do huddles.

Don't understand the surprise, we all know the lunatic 'fringe' extends all the way to the boardroom and the managers office. Yet again, instead of trying to talk sense to the sizeable moronic element in their support and educate them in the realities of their situation, those at the top fan the flames, indulge them and give credence to their nonsensical garbage. And they wonder why they inspire feelings of revulsion and disgust from the rest of Scottish Football?

'we fully understand the rising anger among our fans' I'm not sure how anger can actually rise above the level of perma-rage that already exists

maybe each case was treated on its particular merits. maybe Hearts can take the piss with their embargo in similar fashion to Zombie FC

Pleasing

Really enjoyed the game today. Raith fans I spoke to were all sound. Good friendly bunch. Game was decent enough and glad to see Rovers win Hearts come first, but I'll be back.

Cassini took a picture of Earth on Friday...

Faither started at the Williams brewery a couple of months back. As well as the Williams stuff, they bottle for Inveralmond and Fyne Ales amongst others. The free stuff ain't too shabby. My bounty is pictured, thank Christ for barbecue season.

Forgot to update: skooshed the funding process. .

So why did rangers (rip) taker them to the CoS, then?

Anyone who describes an ex football player as a "c**t with cancer" anonymously via a football forum is bound to attract a degree of opprobium......

Yes, quite right, No. 8. After having had your arse handed to you over your changing attitudes towards the taxi mafia the new power in the ibrox boardroom, your association with terrorists, your inability to explain your definition of "loyalist", your failure to acknowledge that the scum rioting in Ulster wearing rangers tops were more than coincidence, and now having, how does your wee cheerleader put it, "flown your double standards high again", we should all move on and forget any of this happened. Move along, nothing to see... Yeah, right.

German Jag "has explained his position" to you and is now in the clear. I can only imagine what a relief that's come as, for him and his family. You're right of course - this is no big deal. Just the exposure of some casual but very blatant hypocrisy on your part.

Some reason? Everyone thinks you are an absolute walloper. You're having the pish ripped from you by all the Rangers supporters and you come with 'some reason'?

diddies are asking as well. we are intrigued as to what your answer would be, Simples, as Vicky likes to say

Never, ever, refer to me as a friend.Let me be absolutely clear, without frothing: I like baiting you, periodically. I have no anger issues. Please refer to my comment that it is all in your razor sharp mind. I am older than you. I am wiser than you. Of that there is no doubt. I know this. I do not need to "pound a keyboard" as I am as cold as ice. Like WRK, I absolutely detest all things related to Celtic and Rangers, in equal magnitude. And despite the law of the land, I detest homosexuals. The law cannot change my perception of them.

The Cud

you could always copy mad Norman and complain to admin about it. Some of arguments from the P&D's are unbelievable, even with the evidence right in front of their beaks they still plod on with the same old tired routines.

I doubt that he's ever 'been away', i assume as a consultant and not an actual board member we'll use him in a similar role as celtic used Paul McBride.