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Not liking this influx of Celtic fans on this thread. It's like sitting with your pals at a family function when your embarrassing uncle comes up for a chat pretending to be 'down with the kids'. Cringeworthy, creepy and a little bit unsettling.

I may take a little abuse for this but any of the SPL bigger teams (Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Motherwell) that vote to admit Newco Rangers for me lacks the ambition and belief to move up in the world. For years we've been told football is no longer a sport but a business, well in the business world if you are the 3rd biggest company in your field and the opportunity arises to become 2nd you take it. What you don't do is run to the toilet and shit yourself.

Hats off to this chap: :lol:

SSN had a reporter live at Hampden about 30 minutes ago. He looked a bit chilly. It was dry, but obviously a nip still in the air, and the wind was making it feel a bit colder too. Oh aye... he was there to tell us fcuk all is happening and the appeal panel have sent out for two chicken tikka masalas, basmati rice, three poppadoms and a Peshwari nan. The Rangers delegation haven't turned up yet - they're still at the Mar Hall hotel and spa in Bishopton, where they had an overnight stay to be fresh for the meeting. More developments to follow....

Sorry pal, we leave the religious shite / wife beating / murders / mayhem to you Weegies.

Exclusive footage of Regan walking into the meeting room at Hampden to inform the Rangers lawyers of the appeal decision.

I've a much better idea. Simply stick the following into every thread in P&B and see if anyone notices the difference.

I'm not 100% sure of the overall size of the pot (sponsorship etc. will be added and costs will be deducted). But talking purely in terms of the TV revenue using the formula for allocating prize money the figures will look similar to this: This Season: £12,000,000 overall ...|TEAM.........|..%..|....£.... --------------------------------- 1..|Celtic.......|17.00|2,040,000 2..|Rangers......|15.00|1,800,000 3..|Motherwell...|09.50|1,140,000 4..|Dundee Utd...|08.50|1,020,000 5..|Hearts.......|08.00| 960,000 6..|St Johnstone.|07.50| 900,000 7..|Kilmarnock...|07.00| 840,000 8..|St Mirren....|06.50| 780,000 9..|Aberdeen.....|06.00| 720,000 10.|Inverness CT.|05.50| 660,000 11.|Hibernian....|05.00| 600,000 12.|Dunfermline..|04.50| 540,000 The widely publicised TV Deal (unsigned) for next season is for £16,000,000 a season. So even say Sky take are particularly harsh and offer 50% of this for a Rangerless SPL, given the updated formula in my previous post that could be broken down as so: ... | TEAM......... | ..%.. | .....£.... | - on 2011/12 --------------------------------------------------- 1.. | Celtic....... | 11.73 | 938,271.60 | -1,101,728.40 2.. | Motherwell... | 11.11 | 888,888.89 | -251,111.11 3.. | Dundee Utd... | 10.49 | 839,506.17 | -180,493.83 4.. | Hearts....... | 09.88 | 790,123.46 | -169,876.54 5.. | St Johnstone. | 09.26 | 740,740.74 | -159,259.26 6.. | Kilmarnock... | 08.64 | 691,358.02 | -148,641.98 7.. | St Mirren.... | 08.02 | 641,975.31 | -138,024.69 8.. | Aberdeen..... | 07.41 | 592,592.59 | -127,407.41 9.. | Inverness CT. | 06.79 | 543,209.88 | -116,790.12 10. | Hibernian.... | 06.17 | 493,827.16 | -106,172.84 11. | Dunfermline.. | 05.56 | 444,444.44 | -95,555.56 12. | Ross County.. | 04.94 | 395,061.73 | + a lot (again moving all teams up 1 place and putting SFL 1 winners at the bottom as an example of how the season could have finished without Rangers, I know this may not be accurate!) So even if the TV companies cut their deal for next season IN HALF there's no way that the drop in revenue would come close to bankrupting clubs (the average revenue drop outside of Celtic is £149,000) There are so many myths about how much we need Rangers, I just don't believe any of it

Amusing letter from Mr Green to a creditor on the HenryClarson.Wordpress Site

Mon the SFA

A quick look at Wiki provides damning evidence on all three. Simply sickening that "clubs" such as these are allowed to peddle their twisted ideology simply to infuriate The People. Hibernian Hibernian were founded in 1875 by Irish immigrants, Dundee United Inspired by the example of Hibernian in Edinburgh the Irish Catholic community in Dundee formed a new football club in 1909, following the demise of Dundee Harp. Originally called Dundee Hibernian, Kilmarnock The name comes from the Gaelic cill (church), and the name of Saint Marnoch or Mernoc who is also remembered in the name of Portmarnock in Ireland and Inchmarnock.

Nobody knows what Sky would actually offer for a Rangerless SPL, however if this was to come to pass the team which would lose the most money by far would be Celtic. Without their bum chums to back them up, the unfair revenue split in the SPL would be at an end. If you extend the LINEAR increase in money which happens from 4th - 12th in the SPL you could have every team from 4th - 12th getting the EXACT SAME amount of money as they did this year (assuming that everybody finishes 1 place higher than would have been the case with Rangers in the League) with as much as a 19% drop in overall revenue. Using this season as an example, the below figures show what could happen with a 19% drop in overall prize money (I have used £10,000,000 as the baseline. I know this doesn't reflect the real figures but makes the numbers easier! Also assumed each team from 3rd down finishing 1 place higher which I also know would not necessarily be the case but again, good for a comparison) ...|TEAM.........|..%..|...£... ------------------------------- 1..|Celtic.......|17.00|1,700,000 2..|Rangers......|15.00|1,500,000 3..|Motherwell...|09.50|950,000 4..|Dundee Utd...|08.50|850,000 5..|Hearts.......|08.00|800,000 6..|St Johnstone.|07.50|750,000 7..|Kilmarnock...|07.00|700,000 8..|St Mirren....|06.50|650,000 9..|Aberdeen.....|06.00|600,000 10.|Inverness CT.|05.50|550,000 11.|Hibernian....|05.00|500,000 12.|Dunfermline..|04.50|450,000 SFL|Ross County..|2 Jeggies and a Hubba Bubba Total = £10,000,000 ...|TEAM.........|..%..|...£...| +/- -------------------------------------------- 1..|Celtic.......|11.73|950,000| -£750,000 2..|Motherwell...|11.11|900,000| -£50,000 3..|Dundee Utd...|10.49|850,000| No Change 4..|Hearts.......|09.88|800,000| No Change 5..|St Johnstone.|09.26|750,000| No Change 6..|Kilmarnock...|08.64|700,000| No Change 7..|St Mirren....|08.02|650,000| No Change 8..|Aberdeen.....|07.41|600,000| No Change 9..|Inverness CT.|06.79|550,000| No Change 10.|Hibernian....|06.17|500,000| No Change 11.|Dunfermline..|05.56|450,000| No Change 12.|Ross County..|04.94|400,000| +Sh!t Load Total = £8,100,000 *Note these percentages are rounded, the actual would be 12th starting at 4.938271604938271604938271604938 % with inriments of 0.617283950617283950617283950617 % per place. You estimated a 20% drop in tv money which isn't far off this example of 19%. So if 20% was the fall off in TV revenue the vast majority of the SPL would be barely affected. Even if the new tv deal was to be reduced by a greater margin, Celtic would be the team losing the most.

It sickens me that a team can pay off their debts at 6p in the pound and within 18 months can outbid their divisional rivals for players.

I think Rangers will be in administration forever. They will appeal every decision anyone takes against them, probably getting lawyers involved, and taking every cnut that upsets them to court. Ticketus will sue Whyte, Whyte will sue Ticketus, Collyer Bristow will sue Mr Custard the clown, and Sir Minty will sue anyone left who hasn't been sued by someone else. The SFA will announce a judicial panel to look into judicial stuff, who will meet to announce the formation of a committee to look into the possible formation of a process to facilitate the process going forward. Neil Doncaster and the SPL chairmen will seek clarity and postpone making a decision on anything for ever, and with Haudit & Daudit officially installed as the world's first permanent administrators, they become Rangers new owners, and we simply carry on as we are now. Forever, and ever, and ever. I am now officially fcuking bored shitless with this.

I also hope Roy does it with this kind of drama and smugness:

The Rangers appeal has been rejected you say?

Had to come out of Rangers media, i thought my pants would never dry

Think they've still got an eye on him.

LET'S ALL THREATEN TO BOYCOTT SKY NOW ! We will terminate our contracts unless they agree to P&Bs demands. 1, More money for the SPL 2, They sign the deal irrespective of 4 old firm derbies 3, I have no sky but will threaten not to buy a package as was gonna do """ but won't too expensive.All others in my position do so as well to add to the pressure. 4, More live coverage of the Rangers meltdown as family entertainment on SSN.

So does this mean they're no signing Cousin then?

We are all Nozzle.

Any news on the appeal yet?

Kincardine! Thats a bridge too far..... *waiting for ages to use that *

I wouldn't have said that Rangers were appealing on any grounds.

Are they all really that deluded...............

I disagree. Dundee are undoubtedly a bigger club than Rovers with a bigger income and at the moment better prospects for promotion and I have no problem with Baird leaving to better himself but the fact that this is just over a year after they ran up huge debts does feel just a little unfair and to use the phrase of the moment - lacking in sporting integrity. I don't think it's necessarily 'Fantalkish' to feel aggrieved at one of our rivals in the league having benefited from a ridiculous 6p in the pound administration last year which allowed them to shed their debts so now they are offering bigger wages to take our best player. That makes administration something that will give you a competitive advantage rather than a punishment which should be avoided at all costs.

There are teenage girls shouting and screaming at the top of their lungs outside Glasgow Central on Saturdays that are less desperate and less obvious attention whores than you. This is it. The simple truth is parents are reluctant to take their children to games if the Old Firm are there, because of the hate and bile that comes with them - and because of the very real fear of their children getting hurt. And it's the people with kids that spend an absolute fortune in the club shop, club catering, etc - the very people they don't want scared away on match days because quite aside from the 'future fans' angle these are the people bringing in a sizeable wad to the club. So why the hell any SPL club seems to get into its head they "need" Rangers is beyond belief - and there's no denying a lot of it is the propaganda they've been fed by the media up here for decades, combined with the number of "closet" OF fans in all too many board rooms. It's long overdue the time Scottish football manned up.

What size is the biggest windy you have ever licked.

alex thomson ‏ @alextomoSFA appeals panel breaks early for lunch - jelly & ice cream seen being delivered

Haven't been around for a while but I just thought I'd share that I have lost over 4 stones in weight in the last year.

And if the Orcs get this reduced today, I'm going to be too drunk to f**k.

Kennedys bid is Dead, he might be away there for a Holiday perhaps?

Whenever Scotland expects, we are let down horribly.

Some people on here are fucking depressing. Very little, if anything at all has changed over the last few weeks. HMRC won't accept a CVA, so they will be liquidated. Also, they can't magically just transfer all assets for free to a Newco and walk away from the debt, that would be illegal. Any new club would have to buy them. Keep the faith brothers. Today the SFA will hammer them, because at the end of the day, the club won't be there to even take their punishment.

2 million a month = 36 million a year?...run that bye us again calculon.

I think Livi are targetting the appeal. Livi and Dundee both had punishments handed to them. Both punishments stood after appeals to the SFA. If Rangers succeed in getting a lesser punishment tomorrow then it looks as if they are treated as a special case. Remember Livi were demoted two divisions and the 25 point penalty given to Dundee was meant to relegate them. In comparison a year's signing ban on older players is minor.

After weeks of entertainment, first post. As the day of reckoning begins, a wee word to the panel from Atticus Finch: "in the name of God, do your duty." Okay, he was defending an innocent man, but his plea was that justice be done, and most of us on this forum are pretty clear on what this entails tomorrow.

Skerla is probably my favourite Pars player of all time.

you cock womble

I think you'll find Paisley is joined to Glasgow, and Ibrox is 5 miles from St Mirren Park!

I would have thought with the explanatory info that came out being so damning, the SFA have pretty much already set out their stall as far as I can see. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they hit them with more - the SFA don't really have anything to lose out of all this.

If Motherwell win the Champions League this year does that mean we get two places in it next year or will the Champions go into the Europa.

Thought this might help pass the time until the next deadline.

For the benefit of Rangers-supporting simpletons, who don't comprehend why Scottish football won't actually die should they be flushed away like a greasy, sweetcorn-encrusted turd, this is how a typical boardroom conversation at a diddy club SHOULD play out: Chairman: Afternoon gents, it seems that Rangers are fucked and the TV deal has been re-negotiated at a lower level Panicky Director #1: OMFG We're DOOMED! What will we do without thousands of weegie knuckle dragging retards visiting our stadium twice a season???? Panicky Director #2: Shit we are truly fucked without them! Chick Young and Jim Traynor said so! Chairman: I know, but in all honesty, they are fucking stupid. Jim Traynor in particular seems to have undergone some recent major head trauma. Chick Young is, well Chick Young. Directors: but they said we'd be no better than the Irish or Welsh leagues if Rangers die?!!? Chairman: If they knew anything at all about those leagues, they'd know that attendance wise the First, Second and Third Divisions already dwarf them attendance-wise Directors: Well what do we do? Chairman: We could always adjust our transfer budgets, wage outlay and other expenses accordingly? Directors: So we can. Phew! For a moment there I thought we were magically tied to spending the exact same amount of money as we currently do every season with no ability whatsoever to adjust costs/budgets to account for any serious eventualities. I posted this elsewhere but can neither remember where, or can be fucked looking for it. Seriously though, why have none of these morons realised that other clubs will simply adjust spending to take account of no longer having two (in some cases only one) visit from Rangers a season and a TV deal which they hoover up most of anyway? We just don't need these motherfuckers.

No see, I don't think you're right there. They're not that, staggeringly, incompetent at their jobs. They are deliberately oblivious to the facts. That's their job: to give the Old Firm the soft sponge treatment, and circle the wagons around Rangers when everyone else first points and laughs, then starts sticking the boot in. No one is that stupid. Speirs, certainly, is not a stupid man. It is a culture of pandering, sycophancy and unquestioning obedience. It's succulent lamb writ large. As much as Speirs attempted to play himself as the creator of this term on Off the Ball, Cosgrove completely nailed him to the rest of the cronies in the tabloids. When called to back up his case with these very facts he had f**k-all. He didn't choose to research these facts because that would get in the way of the rhetoric.

The sketch: A customer enters a lawyers office. Mr. Miller: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint. (The owner does not respond.) Mr. Miller: 'Ello, Miss? Owner: What do you mean "miss"? Mr. Miller: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint! Owner: We're closin' for lunch. Mr. Miller: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this football club what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique. Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Ibrox Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it? Mr. Miller: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it! Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's just...in administration. Mr. Miller: Look, matey, I know a dead football club when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now. Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable club, the Ibrox Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful strip! Very loyal. Mr. Miller: Loyalty don't enter into it. It's stone dead. Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's just consolidatin is assets! Mr. Miller: All right then, if he's consolodatin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Ibrox Blue! I've got a lovely £11million for you if you show... (owner hits the Ibrox Blue) Owner: There, he moved! He's walking away! Mr. Miller: No, he didn't, that was you hitting him! Owner: I never!! Mr. Miller: Yes, you did! Owner: I never, never did anything... Mr. Miller: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO !!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call! (Takes club out of the cage and thumps its on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.) Mr. Miller: Now that's what I call a dead football club. Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned! Mr. Miller: STUNNED?!? Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Ibrox Blues stun easily, major. Mr. Miller: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That club is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged and difficult season. Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for Europe. Mr. Miller: PININ' for the EUROPE?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did I find a black 'ole in his finances the moment I got 'im 'ome? Owner: The Ibrox Blue is 140 years old sir! Remarkable club, id'nit, squire? Lovely strip! Mr. Miller: Look, I took the liberty of examining that club when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been still on its feet was because it 'ad been propped up with dodgy tax returns and a significant number of EBTs! (pause) Owner: Well, o'course it was propped up! If it hadn't been propped up, it would have crept up to the border, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee! Off to England! Mr. Miller: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this club wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'It's bleedin' demised! Owner: No no! 'E's pining! Mr. Miller: 'It's not pinin'! 'It's passed on! This club is no more! It has ceased to be! 'It's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't propped it up with other peoples money it'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Its metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-CLUB!! (pause) Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of football clubs. Mr. Miller: I see. I see, I get the picture. Owner: I got a building society if that's any good to you. (pause) Mr. Miller: Pray, does it feature regularly on Sky sports? Owner: Nnnnot really. Mr. Miller: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!? Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet) Mr. Miller: Well. (pause) Owner: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place? Mr. Miller: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure. As long as Chick isn't there.

Martyrs Probably my favourite 'shock' film. Has decent themes rather than just going out to shock, which it also does pretty well. A lot better than the likes of A Serbian Film & The Human Centipede and it shouldn't be categorized with them. 7/10