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would you be happy if, instead of Celtic qualifying for the Champions League, they qualified for a new cup where Celtic were placed in a group with teams of their own level, say teams from Switzerland, Norway & Poland, along with the reserve sides of Barca, AC Milan & Man Utd? This would allow the big sides get their younger players used to european football & Celtic being able to play games against these world famous teams more often would undoubtedly draw the fans, even if it's just 19s & a few 1st teamers coming back from injury it's still the world famous Bayern Munich & would draw a decent crowd, Celtic would get a bit of money in for these games and do away with the meaningless bits of the proper Champions League where it's just diddy teams knocking each other out.

I would just like to propose a toast to two of the finest posters on P&B. When this thread has sagged, when Duff & Duffer have huddled in quietly in murray park, these lads have kept us going. Whenever Jim White had nothing to tell us, when the Record and Sun fell silent, these lads continued to keep this thread alive. When even the great Spiers could not bring himself to add reason to the debate, and Chico had retreated back up Walter's arse, they didn't let us down. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you...... (Drum roll please....) No.8 and Wunfellaff! No. 8, were there such a thing in the WhiteRose house as a picture dictionary, your monobrowed visage would be glowering out from alongside the definition for "cretin". You respond to all accusations that you and yours may not be model citizens with the "minority" excuse and the most advanced case of whataboutery known to medical science. I honestly believe that even a "Clockwork Orange"-style re-education would not let you understand why decent people hate your vile "institution". Wunfellaf, thank you. Just when the less-informed reader may have been thinking that the blue Sisters were the only problem to infect our game, you came along to remind us of the refreshing attitudes of those who wrap themselves in the green and grey. That dictionary? I reckon you're a stick-on to be grimacing out alongside a compound word - specially coined for this edition - "totally-un-self-aware". Like a lot of other celtic acolytes, you don't realise, even in yourself, how much you need the other cheek. Gentlemen, I salute you. Three short years ago, this and other boards were alive with speculation as to how we could survive without the pair of you. Remember? "We're too big for Scotland, so we're off to england/Atlantic league/anyone that'll have us. Bye now, and enjoy your diddy league!" You can be sure that the rest of us remember. So, fair enough, off ye go - neither of you will be missed. And the "diddy" league? As posted by the Morton fan above, for FOOTBALL fans, TV isn't everything. We'll be fine, so seriously, don't let us keep you, bugger off. Seriously, get the hell out of our league, our lives and our country. An embarrassment to all decent Scots. KTID

this fucking diet ain't went to plan today. 2 meat and tattie pies, a yorkie and a caramel, chips, chicken madras, chicken tikka, pakora, nan bread, Ben and jerrys caramel ice cream and now on my 6th bottle of San miguel

The Rst and the RSA are putting all their considerbale Weight behind the Blue Knights. You'll remember the RST..They are the fans group headed up by Fat Mark Dingwall..The same group who were only recently telling Murray and Alastair Johnstone to just f**k off quietly and fully backing The Whyte Knight. They seem to have gone rather quiet on that front!!! The RST and RSA are urging us all to back The Blue Knights financially before we know ANYTHING of their plans... Do they never fucking learn!!! Let's wait and see what they have planned .. I think i would like to know first what any new owner is going to do with my money before i blindly handed it over. Mark Dingwall claims to have the best interests of the club at heart but has let his forum openly promote the planned boycott of Tannadice next week. We'll Fat Boy while you're in the wee Rangers club supping your pint and getting stuck into your 10 pies i'll be at Tannadice supporting my team and Scottish football. No doubt you will have another TV interview lined up alongside the very man you claimed 2 weeks ago..'You wouldn't share oxygen with'...Your nothing but a self serving media whore.

you've got to hand it to celtics exempler marketing department over the years. ie. where can have the same expereinces as a small team supporter whereby they are a perennial underdog in an unfair system but without that actually having to be the case, and thus the good guy winning from time to time. somewhat akin to listening to pink and thinking you are a rebel for it...

Celtic didn't treat him as some humanitarian project. They were looking out for themselves as much as Feruz. The Celtic fans indignation over this is hilarious. They release any young player they don't think will be of any use to them and they don't deride any young players who move to them from other clubs as showing 'no respect'. Being 'grateful' to Celtic or Tommy Burns doesn't tie him to that club forever. Incidently, if Celtic had helped him then decided he wasn't good enough, they'd have dumped him sharpish. Chelsea was the correct career move for the lad. He's he's made a few arsey comments on twitter etc, let him, he's 16. Being a bit of an arse is pretty much mandatory. Mon the Scottish Balotelli!

I don't like the look of them!

No, that's the blurring effect of something moving at high speed

you dumb bitch i'm not holding a microphone

There is currently a great feeling at Cappielow. A feeling of great derision, mild panic and moderate desire for a few bottles of Russian Standard and a loaded revolver. Not for suicidal purposes, mind, just so the board can take shots each at wee Moore and get pished in the process. I'll be round with the blindfolds and baseball bats later on for a game of manager piñata.

Better get this place warmed up a bit, could be visitors around later.....

So the SFA can't do the fit and proper person test before a takeover yet they can now turn around within a couple of weeks and make a firm conclusion? They are a waste of space.

.....and again, and gain. Meet the new Moonbeams, same as the old Moonbeams

Why does this song keep turning over in my mind? Could it be that those simple minded bears might just get fooled again?

Considering this thread is on the cusp of having run 300 pages, with the majority of content based on rumour, supposition, and hope, what I'm about to say may appear remarkable... but this is quite possibly the biggest load of tosh we've seen in the entire thread thusfar. Certainly measured in tosh-per-word terms. I salute you for that notable achievement.

You obviously told her Knob = Copper

This is actually quite a good point '@TonyMcKelvie: Just to be clear, and ignoring for a moment any ethical or regulatory issues, if SPL 10 vote in Newco, the SPL becomes unbankable overnight.' Yup and no banks would allow any club to hold debt, top of my head stuff, but both Killie and Dunfermline would turn red on bankers screens for fear of both if them doing the newco route.

wtf are you talking about. the closest you'll get to a cuddle from this Celtic fan is a kick to your 16 year old pebbles.

Are you talking about anal sex?

The Old Firm are indeed two sides of the same arse. They combine to exploit sectarianism and bigotry in order to win success on the pitch. You support the Old Firm because you have a need to support a winning football team. You somehow think that the success of a football club is a reflection on you personally. You shut yourself off to how that club's success is achieved because your need to follow a winning team is so overwhelming. Your head would explode otherwise.

B teams are a shite idea. Why would the lower reaches supporters turn up to watch our youth players have a kick about with their first team? Bloody sure I wouldn't. Spain can keep it.

Indeed. The redistribution of poverty is worth insulting

Again with the religion - I could be a purple hermaphrodite from another galaxy for all you know. I don't think you can tell one way or the other from my posts. I made no suppositions about your affiliations. You stated them all yourself, thereby giving the impression that they are relevant. I care not where you are from, where you or yours worship, or indeed who or what you gain your sexual gratification with. On another forum, these may be relevant subjects for debate. One last try, OK? Nobody likes rangers OR celtic because they define themselves as "other" to each other and, by extension, all others. They both condone songs and attitudes which are hate-filled, divisive and, yes, bigoted. Both sets of supporters assume anyone who doesn't join in their adulation of whichever is their team must be a ta*g/currant (delete as appropriate. Neither can envision that any decent football fan could find their stance in the slightest way objectionable. And, best of all, when their behaviour is held up for public approbation, they both use the same reasoning - "Aye, bit whit about THEM, eh? They're worse." KTID

Actually, I hope they come to a CVA arrangement, come out of admin, limp to the end of the season, lose the tax case in pre-season, plunge into administration again then lose another 10 points next season. They won't survive the second insolvency event if it's thanks entirely to a £50m plus tax bill. Then I get two portions of jelly and ice cream.

No. No. No. Nothing in Scottish football should ever feature 9-3 ever again.

Is this two cheeks ganging up on an arsehole? A clench of discussion.

Let's NEVER let Celtic fans think this is "all friends together" laughing at Rangers. They are absolutely not welcome to join our party and should remember that they are on the outside looking in. Fans of every other club are united here - on this as well. We'll make an exception for banterman as he is sound. But the rest of you can forget it.

Are you drunk? Are you afflicted with a form of mental retardation (in which case I apologise)? There will be no stand-off. If other clubs vote to change the % breakdown and Celtic lose that vote, you will have to go along with it. You have no viable alternative league to play in... Unless you're suggesting that league football is on the verge of collapse, SPL isn't at risk. I see no way whatsoever in which Hibs or Berwick are in peril - both are well-run clubs. Clubs finances may be in peril if Rangers fold and aren't replaced, indebted clubs particularly, but this scenario can happen alongside Rangers readmission. Or without their readmission. If Rangers fold then Celtic need allies to stop "the provincial clubs" reforming the prizemoney %s. If Celtic don't like these potential reforms, but lack sufficient allies, then tough sh*t frankly.

For clarity my own proposals would be as follows... In voting thresholds should be raised from 10-2 and 11-1 on important matters to 8-4 and 9-3 respectively. Distribution of prizemonies should be as follows:

Is the penny finally dropping for Celtic fans that nobody fucking likes their bigot infested, gloryhunting club either? Scottish football would be a better place without century old based quarrels and disgusting chanting shown by either half of the old firm. If both their clubs were to go bust, I'd probably spend days on end laughing at them.

I have NEVER heard someone say that the US has 52 states, Might I suggest you hang about with thick people?

"2nd division forum" for this pish.

Not sure if this one has been posted already, but it's a bit of a classic that did the rounds a couple of years ago. I believe it's from a club in the Glasgow area. I've been in a nick a few times over the years but these c***s are in an utterly fucking ridiculous state. All the classic club afflictions - and more - are on display: The lassie's got ecto claw (ecstasius gubbedwrist) like nobody's business. The weight of her ear ring appears to be getting the better of her. Gravity's a bitch when you're that fucked. Estimated pill consumption - 9. The boy at the back has one of the best ecto masks (ecstasius meltedcoupon) that I've ever seen. The fact he's still managing to get a hand in the air indicates he's running the show on the dance floor. Estimated pill consumption - 14. The boy at the front's went baws oot to the point he's actually starting the mummification process right there in the middle of the floor. Check his mince pies - nothing but white! That c**t stood rooted to the spot like that for the rest of the night, past closing time and probably had to be wheeled away by the cleaner like some kind of perty warrior Hannibal Lecter. Estimated pill consumption - 35. Minimum. Stephen Hawking wouldn't look out of place among this crew. That's how fucked these people are. They've gone Hawking. He's not their kind of guy though, because while Hawking's undoubtedly a clever c**t, bitch can't fucking dance worth a f**k.

Sorry, been learning Gaelic.

Saying that Morton are a bigger club than Ayr is a bit like me saying I have a better sexual record than vikingTON: It's true, but it's not exactly something to be proud of.

Goldeneye for the Xbox Aftershave Gazza's book Pele's book Celeb Juice DVD Last two seasons of the Sopranos Best part for me was seeing my son open his bike. His eyes lit up, was amazing!

@pollymac I'd be interested to heart the thoughts of supporters in the third and second. Speaking personally, I'd have zero interest in buying a season ticket for say Dumbarton if they were up against spl b teams. And my curiosity about watching the likes of Darren O Dea getting some match practice for Sellics big team would be fleeting at best. At best I think its insulting to lower league fans, at worst I'd say its destroys any competitive integrity the lower divisions had. Although I'm with you on the pyramid side of things. Edit to add: Gutted to see that Rangers media aren't part of the blue knight rescue consortium. They could bring their out of the box thinking.

does anybody else find the whole celtic fan trying to cuddle up with the diddy team fan as cringeworthy?

I think your head exploded a while ago yet your body continued twitching and your fingers can still boot up a computer....!

What A feeeeeelin. When the Morton fans are seeeethin.

Main headliner? Against who? Take away the bigotfest and what attraction have your mob got for the neutral viewer? (and I'm talking TV 'cos that's where we're told the money is) It's certainly not the top-class international skills on display, and the folk-song repertoire isn't exactly a selling point either. Edinburgh derbies, Arabs versus Dons, A Tayside derby in the near future (I reckon), Highland clash next year - all these are of more interest in a football sense, and if there's some tangible success possible as well, our game might just crawl out of intensive care and get back on its feet. If it takes one cheek to die and the other to wither painfully away, so be it. A fresh wind is blowing through Scottish football, and the wise will build windmills. The Ugly Sisters are trying to build windbreaks. KTID

F.ck religion. that's all

Cetrainly not dependant on St Mirren.