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I was talking about this very thing last night in my local with a Rangers "fan", you know the type that know absolutely everything(nothing) about Scottish football without ever attending a game, whilst also taking the piss out of me for supporting a shite team. He was dumbfounded when I kept saying I hope Rangers die, he actually couldn`t bring himself to believe this is what fans of other clubs think. What about the money the Rangers fans bring? What about the TV deal? It`ll be just like the Irish league, etc. Well here`s some news, it already is like the Irish league you fucking halfwit! Oh and it`s clubs like fucking Rangers that don`t pay up, will United go to the wall because they won`t receive £100k which they are due? I seriously doubt it. United have been cutting back reasonably successfully for quite a few years now, pity Rangers couldn`t be bothered doing the same. The only people in Scotland that need Rangers are their own fans, Celtic & most importantly the (west coast in the main) media. People like Keevins would be forced to talk about football for a change, shock fucking horror eh! I really hope these b*****ds go to the wall and don`t ever return, then the rest of us can concentrate on getting rid of that other shower in the east end of Glasgow. DIE FUCKING DIE!

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We've been proving that since 1881

I'm hoping for a Thatcher-rangers double death.......

Can people stop ripping the p!sh out of one another? This thread is for ripping into Rangers and Rangers only.

You two seriously need to just shag and get it out of the way.

Apologies if this one has already been posted...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17113209 30 seconds in. Say what you think, Mr Clegg!

Of course it's still a sport - but there's a balance to be struck. We're talking about what could be the most significant event in Scottish Football's history here - the most successful team in the country potentially being shown to have cheated during a period of winning numerous titles and trophies, part funded by ripping off the tax payer. If this is the reality, then it's absolutely scandalous and should be met with severe punishment. Compromising said punishment for commercial gain = the game is rigged. That may balance the books, but (in my opinion, of course) it kills the game as a competitive sport. Perhaps the reality is that Scottish Football = The Old Firm and everyone else makes up the numbers. I believe the fast tracking of a new Rangers to the SPL with some token penalties just to maximize commercial income would be the game officially recognizing that The Old Firm is bigger than the game itself. I could never accept that. It's probably melodramatic. Maybe most people will harrumph! and carry on grumbling. It should still be said, IMO.

:bairn :bairn GIRFUY. It's not just Celtic that are pointing and laughing- it's the fans of every other Scottish club as well. The impact that decades of arrogant triumphalism, and petulant demands that the rest of Scottish football put up with a near-vertical playing field, just to accommodate the OF, seems to have completely passed this clown by. The tantalising prospect that a future of the game without Rangers, or with a severely weakened Rangers being forced to play its way through the SFL, might actually be 100% better- putting the lie to the constant whine from bloated pissbags like Traynor that we all somehow "need a strong Rangers", will be wonderful to witness if it comes to pass. Rangers won't disappear. But they need to be held to account properly for what has happened. The fact that loudmouth nobodies (failed football manager and part-time antiques dealer) like Hateley seem to be raging that they're going to have to face the music, as would any other club in this position, makes the necessity for severe sanction against Rangers all the more pressing. The worst thing that can happen for Scottish football is that Rangers are simply allowed to re-form and continue as though none of this has happened.

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This is the best Morton team I have seen in a long time & I have been going to Cappielow since 1973 so have saw the good times & lots of bad ones also. Could this really be there time for SPL football I think they have the players but We have to wrap Macdonald & Jackson in cotton wool & keep them both fit Tidser also will be a very important Player for us in the Midfield. But when You look & the bench We have Weatherson, Campbell, & Bachirou itching to get back in the team after Saturdays trip to Dumfries We play Partick on the Friday Night then Hamilton, & Falkirk all within the space of a few short Weeks we really could be Top by a few points can we really keep going & stay top of the League I think & hope We can..

ETims saying the liquidators were at iBrokes today, photographing everything in preparation for firesale. Make it so.

I agree with both Dodds being an utter c**t (mainly for his fawning over "poor" Rangers), but i also agree with your point about Dodds and Chisholm. They might have been fucking useless as a Management team, but if i'd been stiffed in such a fashion i'd have been voting against the CVA as well. On topic, can they be liquidated on Wednesday? I get paid then, and would quite like to celebrate in appropriate fashion.

OK, It's not horrific but it's good to Leishman out and about

I agree entirely with that except the part about Celtic dying obviously, I think the SPL will thrive without Rangers,firstly we would rid the game of 50% of the vile bigotry and sectarianism overnight ,which I hope would be followed by a general dying off,of the bile that Celtic fans bring as they would have no excuse to use it, no excuse for paranoia and excuses if there was no rangers, There may also be an increase in attendances at other SPL clubs as second place /Europe would be a reasonable aim for 4. Or 5 teams not to mention ex rangers fans and those kids who would have been rangers fans attending other clubs. And the idea that Celtic need rangers is laughable with no rangers Celtic would have a free run at europe every year without the pressure of fighting rangers in the league not to mention the target of overtaking rangers trophy haul.

Or the other option would be... Is a 12 team SPL minus Rangers more or less lucrative than a 16/18 team SPL with Rangers? Fans outrage at Rangers being kept in the SPL would be quickly forgotten if they were to get their wish of a 16/18 team SPL.

Just read through the last 30 pages of this thread. I agree with the statements regarding the financial cost of Rangers dying. Any club that has their future tied into the continuation of Rangers deserves all they get. I include my own team in that. If Rangers were to be allowed back into the SPL under a new guise, that would be me done with SPL football. If Dunfermline voted for it, I'd probably have to stop supporting the Pars as well.

Whichever way you look at it this is fraud on the grand scale, if it was a private manufacturing company owing £80 million to the taxpayer they would have been shut down by now.

Incidentally, I've seen Mastodon at their own shows, supporting bands like Tool and on festivals, and I've always found them a bit boring live and not very tight - quite sloppy on a number of occasions. Great band on record though.

First Division forum for this pish! Hence my part at the end regarding a hasty reconstruction in order to get the resurrected Voldermort FC back into the top flight as fast as possible "legitimately". That said, it may in turn however see Vlad or someone else cry "foul" with UEFA over it - and even if they don't, it may still mean trouble. After all, the Hampden beaks happily saw Gretna and Livingston forcibly relegated to the bottom tier to maintain its "integrity" - if they start jumping through hoops for a successor club whose massive unpaid bills not only hurt other clubs but that nation's Revenue and Customs, the beaks at UEFA may decide that they're bringing the game into disrepute - and we are certainly no England, France, Germany, Italy or Spain with the clout at UEFA HQ to persuade them to grant an exception to a little "rule bending". As I said before, Scotland's football chiefs need to get a grip of the reality of how meaningless Rangers are in the great scheme of things as far as the wider footballing world is concerned. Currently there's the possibility that the Turks may find their football league stripped of official recognition and their clubs debarred from European competitions next season due to an ongoing row over political interference in the running of the TFF (in the wake of the still ongoing match fixing investigations), something UEFA have made clear they refuse to tolerate. Just like HMRC, UEFA would have no qualms making an example of some diddy European football association in order to hammer the message home to the rest that they mean business.

This one came to me last night. Christian Eriksen Diplo

Aye, enough of this petty squabbling. There's a bigger fish to fry here and we all need to remember that.. Loving tonights Evening Tully where the two folk doing the prediction competition ( Reporter Tom Duthie and some bint fae Ladbrokes) both go for an ICT win this weekend... I cannea see it masel but I really do hope so.. Can you imagine the rage on Ranjurs meedya.. So my I be one of the first on here to wish ICT all the fucking best.. We are all behind you..

I was savagely beaten in the early stages of the debate for seeing right through Salmond's slimy actions on day one. As predicted he has now dropped interest in this whole grubby episode , just as he dropped his pal Fred the Shred . For future reference, I can confidently predict that should by some miracle, Rangers come out unscathed, then Salmond will re-emerge and profess to be the key figure in all dialogue!!!!!! Politicians are on the same slime ladder as dodgy wide men like Whyte and Minty .

Picked up an M&S dine in for £10 on the way home and I'm going to scran the whole lot myself.

If other clubs' budget entirely on what they earn off the back of the Old Firm then that is their lookout. Clubs have gone bust before and will do so again. It is up to each individual club to ensure that they are on a sound financial footing and if they are not then they don't deserve to survive. Serves them right for hanging on the old firm's coat tails when the spl was formed

And we (St. Mirren) could deal with it. It's the teams like Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Kilmarnock who couldn't. Apart from Utd's brief stint in the 1st Division in the mid 90s these teams have spent what seems like an eternity in Scotland's top flight, and they've done so by spending money they didn't have. It's true that in recent years these teams have realised their past mistakes and have tried to tighten their belts, but they want to do so with minimal sacrifice. The SPL is structured to ensure these clubs don't go down, and allowing Rangers 2012 back into the SPL will be done to ensure these clubs don't go bust. We are all paying for the mistakes these clubs made in the 90s and early 00s, and we'll be continuing to pay for quite some time. A team the size of Kilmarnock shouldn't be playing 20+ years straight in the top flight, it's not healthy for the whole of Scottish football, and the fact that it's happened tells you all you need to know about how our game is run. I'm sure when Rangers 2012 walk straight into the SPL we'll see the usual f**k the OF nonsense being spouted on here but the real culprits will receive very little attention.

I caught wee bits of the stuff on Radio Scotland last night where the panel (particularly Dodds) were bleating on about the impact of losing Rangers from the SPL. They absolutely understood that supporters would see a more competitive and exciting league. "But what about the money" they kept saying. "It's all very well having more excitement but you wouldn't get the tv money". In the midst of this line of thinking you could be forgiven for thinking that people who buy their season tickets do so because they want to watch the tv money rather than their team playing in a league that isn't carved up. I'm left asking the question - what additional quality does the tv money bring to the majority of teams in the SPL. How many overpaid, useless articles are lumbering about the place? Our international team isn't going to win big anytime soon. Our club sides are becoming less likely to win big anytime soon. Because on both counts, we simply cannot compete with our near neighbours. The impact on our game beyond its domestic borders will be very limited. We are not performing in that arena anyway. So there must be an argument that if we can make the domestic league more competitive for 36 games a year then that is worth the sacrfice of a few quid. Sod the television people and sod accountants. We'd probably be better off starting again with clubs reliant on finding and using Scottish young players instead of has-beens and second raters from beyond these shores.

I have said this before and will say it again, IF Rangers go into liquidation the SPL will need to treat them the same way they would treat Hibs or ICT. There should be no special dispensation. IF they are liquidated the clubs assets will be sold off too whoever and not necssarliy to the same people. It may well be the case that Rangers could lose Ibrox and Murry Park. They will no longer have 40k odd fans to draw on. They will be as good as some 3rd Division club and should be invited to play there. IF the NewRangers FC manages to buy the assets (stadium, training park et al) and apply to the SPL then the SPL should take the chance to restructure the entire SPL, to say 16 or 18 team league, the SFL can expand the 1st and 2nd division, below that there should be some sort regional league which would include Highland/ junior teams if they so choose to join. The sad old fat football pundits with memories of succulent lamb can not see or get their head round the future of Scottish football; which is less money, smaller TV deal. All the worry about it is “The rest of the world wont talk about us if the Old Firm are not kicking lumps out of each other” Who gives a toss about the rest of the world? Get our leagues sorted out, make them exciting and focus on our own audience. Clubs needs to reconnect with the local populace, we need a much more organic growth. Ego of chairman, TV greed has wrecked all that. We now have a chance to build for the future, lets do it.

I never knew that one man could have so much fun with just one pound

I don't know exactly how long Gordon Smith was employed by Rangers as their Director of Football, but I hope there's not going to be an outpouring of sympathy for a shafted 'legend'. He was employed by Craig Whyte, and by his own admission was unable to actually carry out the duties required of a Director of Football. He actually listed all the areas of operation that should have been under his control, but he was sadly unable to effect. So, for however long he was there - what the fcuk did he actually do on a day-to-day basis? Play Angry Birds? Look at porn on the internet? How much of a wage have Rangers been paying their Director of Football to direct fcuk-all? Also, if Gordon Smith is just out the door and is already ripping into Whyte - why didn't he resign his position as soon as he realised he was a 'minister without portfolio' and was about as much use as a chocolate teapot? Weren't people in Ibrox gossiping about him behind his back at the coffee machine and asking each other if anyone actually knew what he did and why he was there? Like everything else to do with this sorry 'Scottish institution' - it stinks. Pleasing!

Papic getting punted on Friday then?

A Sontaron from Dr Who Gary Bollan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srtuQU20QXA

Yay. It's HibeeJibee.

This saga is now entering the boring phase, either through lack of hard detail or a plethora of irrelevant and distracting stories. Typical is the "Ally says we are not going ahead with the signing of Cousin". He knew it, I knew it, my granny knew it from the start. This was never going to happen and merely a distraction. Administrators getting 2 people out the door so far. Yes only 2. Why are they holding on to the full squad? Plus loads of support staff in ticket office, PR - why are they still needed? Creditors must be asking why are you forking out money for players and staff who are not needed this season? Must be the most slow motion administration ever. Why??? Who is owed money? Forget HMRC, they will fight their own corner. But all the rest. The small companies scammed by Rangers who will probably be looking at laying off some of their own staff? Before anything solid is happening, we have a Dave King photo opportunity with Ally - setup or what? Ellis being a nice guy and feeling guilty, but not too guilty. Paul Murray having meetings with the administrator. Are they talking about facts or just possibilities. All totally inconsequential until facts are known. But hell it keeps the idiots at the Record and Sun busy trying to make stories from all this nonsense. This is a company which has stolen £80 million plus of OUR money. Action should be happening and be seen to be happening. So beware the fluff and nonsense. Hateley (do anything for a few quid), Gough (Scotland career cut short) giving it big licks. Fills the tabloids though. Essential to keep following the money. Not just in Whyte's time but the 10 years before as well. Thank God for the 2 blogs which keep the story on track. The Rangers story must be told in its entirety.

^^^ Viewing Burns through QoS blue specs. Look, Burns was an excellent player for QoS and an excellent Div1 player. I doubt you'll hear a QoS fan with a bad word against him. But whether he's been as much of a hit at Dunfermline in the SPL, well Grant228 isn't the first or only Pars fan to say no.

You got lucky, and it was too small for Tesco at the end of the day. That is why they never developed it. Tesco made an arse of it, and you survived. Not through great planning.

I've had a few good ones so I have We've suffered more than most due to Rangers flaunting of the rules

An Ibrox Farce – A Guest Post by Brogan, Rogan, Trevino & Hogan I love words like “unwound” and “unknotted” and so on. So let me simplfy this just a wee bitty. Craig Whyte stands tonight as a secured Creditor for say £23Million– that’s the £18M Paid to Lloyds and another £5M for the sake of the buggeration factor. Now let’s say– and it is eminently possible given his track record,– that he has made a cod of the security. So presume for a moment he says, OK, I am not secured. But I am still owed £23Million cause I paid off Lloyds. “Oh No you didn’t” says AJ–” you never invested a penny.” “Oh Yes I did” says Craigie Baby—” I just punted a few seats after I got hold of Rangers, and I personally secured that sale to Ticketus.” “I might have set it up before I secured Rangers, but I only drew down the money after I had control of Rangers– albeit within a few seconds— but the seats were mine to sell– just the same as they were yours to sell when you were in charge AJ.” “Too damn righty ( we think ) says Ticketus! WE bought those seats from Whitey here— or if we didn’t then we bought them from someone, and at the end of the day our money paid off your debt AJ. So either you owe the money to Whitey or you owe it to us. Of course if you let us sell the tickets then you don’t owe us squat.— Do you get that? Squat?Seats? ah well” “AH but we can’t afford to let you sell the tickets because we will go bust” screams AJ ” Right enough” says ticketus ” so we will just sell tickets to see whoever is playing at Ibrox anyway.” says Ticketus “Eh, you might not be able to do that” says Duffus and Fuddus ( might copywright that one actually ) “Why?” says Ticketus and Whytey together ” Because, if Rangers are Liquidated and Whytey accepts he is not secured, then we might sell Ibrox to someone else in a new Company!” “Well Secured or unsecured, I am still owed £25Million” says Whytey— “give me 40p in the pound and I will feck off to Costa Rica” “Your arse and Parsely” shout everyone else. Whytey rolls both eyes in different directions and mutters something in what appears to be Swahili! “If you give him any money, then he has to pay it to me” say Ticketus ” In fact we might bankrupt him anyway cause we have a personal guarantee!” ” Not from me!” says Whytey “What?” say Ticketus ” You don’t have a personal guarantee from me” Whytey replied “Here it is here” say Ticketus ” Not mine” says Whytey ” Wrong name and date of birth and everything– look check my Passport!” Whytey reveals that he is a citizen of Liberia!! Ticketus is stunned. “Anyway ” says Whytey ” Not only do I have a claim- secured or unsecured– on the stadium and Murray park– I also own several players!” “What?????” says Fuddus and Duffus ” I own several players” says Whytey “They are contracted to me, and so when they are sold on I get the dough– and not you!” “Well why did we pay their wages then? say Fud & Duff ” Because, you are Fud and Duff” says Whytey ” WE knew that you would make a Cod of it, so we can claim your PI Insurance so as to get some money in the kitty– didn’t we Hector?” A small man– a smiley man not unlike THE George Smiley man says ” Yes, I’m afraid that is true. You were appointed because of your reputation for incompetence and because you have a nice big shiney insurance policy that we can sink our teeth into” says Hector. ” But what have we ever done to you to desrve this?” say Fuddus and Duffus ” Nothing at all” Replied Hector/George with a gentle voice and a far away stare ” But you are insured with Lloyds are you not? And they deserve a right kick in the Nakas– if you pardon such Vulgarity. I am looking forward to claiming a few quid off them!” AJ guffaws at this ” Mind you” says George/Hector ” That will not stop me from Liquidating the company when the big tax case comes in anyway– and after that I am suing all of the Directors for wrongful trading anyway– regrettably that includes you Alastair so I would save your mirth with respect!” “Are you going to let him het away with this?” Shout Alastiar, Whytey and Ticketus altogether looking at Fuddus and Duffus. ” Perhaps I can help?” says a voice from the back of the room ” And you are?” enquires George/Hector ” I am Dave King!” ” Are you now?” Hector/George looks at Dave and says ” Yes, you can help enormously! Go and get us all a nice cup of tea and some buscuits… and try just for once not to get into any trouble whilst doing that.. eh?” Dave looks crestfallen and leaves the room. ” Now ” says George ” The way I see it, is that secured or unsecured, on Paper Whytey is owed £25Million.. yes?” There is a general nod– apart from AJ who has vowed never to nod again. “Good. And I am owed £15Million and rising as we stand today” says Hector/George cleaning his glasses. Again there is a nod– apart from AJ who starts to whistly dixie ever so gently. “So allowing for nobody else other than me and Whytey— You ( refering to Duffus and Fuddus ) have to come up with at least £38Million… Yes?” Duffus and Fuddus nod, Whytey shouts ” Gawn Yersel Hector!”, Ticketus say nothing and AJ tries standing on his head just for the sake of it. ” Now, do you have £38Million?” “No” says Duffus “Maybe” says Fuddus ” Please explain Mr Fuddus” “Well if we and ticketus were to sell all the tickets over the next 3 years– we could get £38Million” ” Yea but I have already paid for my tickets, and so what ever I sell them for is my business– I have to make a profit!” Yells Ticketus ” So you do, Ticketus– and you will pay the taxes on that profit to me won’t you?” says Hector George “Of course” says Ticketus ” But you see, i want all of the money” says Smiley ” Not just the taxable bit ” And where Do I come in?” says Whytey ” Oh, you can go and collect the money saved up by the Vanguard Bears and bring it to me” ” Your kiddng? They will kill me!” Screams Whytey ” Precisely” says Hector/George ” You are a Billionaire are you not?” ” Absolutely” says Whytey puffing out his chest ” I have assets all over the world and interests in many many businesses that I do not disclose” ” Absolutely. And so on your demise, you will be good for some inheritance tax– will you not? ” Eh no” says Whytey smugly ” It is all tied up in off shore trusts in tax havens where you cannot get your hands on it” ” And prey do tell who told you that Whytey?” ” Eh.. Sir David Murray…he organised it for me……” ” Do you undertsand why I am here at all Whytey and what lead to all of this? Sir David is a lunatic and so you cannot accept what he says at all Whytey. I am afraid your trust funds are gone” Whytey starts packing a bag because he is not getting a good vibe! ” Look all I know, is that Sir David said that I could buy Rangers for a quid.. and that it would all go smoothly with a nod and a wink” ” I never Nod” says AJ ” and I don’t wink, and I don’t walk away either… i was in the Boys Brigade” ” Ah the old brigade?” says Duffus wistfully ” Your not allowed to say that in Scotland so shhhhh!” The door opens and a group of men walk in. One says ” I have an idea, why don’t we unravel this whole thing?” ” Are you Irish? ” asks Hector/George ” English” comes the reply ” You sound Irish” ” I am Irish” “You just said you were English!” ” I am Irish, but my name is English, and I write for the Scotsman!” “Which Scotsman? Where is he?” ” The Newspaper!” ” Well this is all very confusing. Where do you pay your taxes?” ” We are not here about my Taxes– we are here about Rangers- the fans have a right to know” ” Ok.. and who are these people?” ” This is Chic Young” says English in an Irish accent ” It’s Chico time” shouts Whytey and then ” Oh.. I am not talking to you! I am only talking to Tom and Jabba” “Jabba?” asks Hector/George ” He means me” says a fat man at the back ” I am Jim Traynor from the Daily Record” ” And who is the small chap with you?” asks George ” I am with the BBC, my name is Mark Daly ” ” So we have Irish English Scotsman, Jabba Daily Record, Daly BBC and…..?” ” I am Spiersy… I’m freelance!” ” My dear boy, John Inman delivered that line far better, and nobody calls me Lance unless it is in one of those clubs in Edinburgh– you know the ones– down by the Bridges with the late night entry and after I have stopped being Hector for the day! . Nice scarf by the way and I do like the chords. I DO so like a nice trousered gentleman” The assorted Press just look at one another. ” Are Rangers going bust?” asks Chic ” No” says AJ, Ticketus, Whytey, Duffus and Fuddus ” Yes” says Hector quietly ” But, I have a rescue plan” says Chic to everyone’s astonishment! ” Well let’s hear it then” shouts Whytey ” Look St Mirrin is for sale for £2m. Just buy them and their licence, they are in the SPL, change their name to Rangers 1872 Ltd and Bob’s your Aunty. Sell St Mirrin park for another Tesco or Sainsbury– that will get about £70Million– give it to Hector, Ticketus can then sell the seats, sue Duffus and Fuddus and get a few quid off Lloyds— come on Fuddus and Duffus you guys don’t pay the money anyway, let the bears kill Whytey so Hector gets the inheritence tax–Sorry Whytey but you are a fanny, and seen as we signed Mo Johnstone twenty years ago– sign Messi, Iniesta and Xavi, sell the TV rights to Spain and Argentina and just watch the cash roll in …………. and we will all write it up as if it is the greatest come back since Lazarus. Apart from tell tale Mark.here .. but he won’t say anything because scoop Guidi has the photos of him, Jackie Bird and Shereen Nanjani in the sound recording booth at the BBC night out Last Christmas complete with mini handcuffs on his winkie, which big Jackie always said she would give me back by the way…. oh and I want my season tickets for nothing for the next ten years…!” There is a stunned silence while evryone ponders this suggestion. Hector/ George starts to nod, as do all the rest with smiles on their faces.. apart from Whytey who is busy trying to figure out how he can fake his own death… something he sees as a challenge. Then A small fat man wearing a sweatshirt with the initials AMcC walks into the silent room and stares from one to the other. It is George/Hector who breaks the silence ” Well……… OK……. but we will have to sack this fanny to make sure we get some dough in the door…………………….