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They better hope they release an edited version of the "truth", because if there is even the suggestion that the behaviour of the fans was anything less than perfect, with the famed scouse respect for ticketing arrangements (see Heysel, Istanbul, Hillsborough, in fact, anything with Liverpool fans involved), there will be carnage. Poor innocent scousers will be smashing each others heads open with paving slabs in outrage that their good name is sullied. What do you expect is hidden? What is this "truth"? That isn't to say it was all the Liverpool fans fault, but there seems to be blame on all sides, and I don't see what "the truth" is going to be other than a rehashing of what is already known.

I think people often see the word justice and make assumptions about aportioning blame and the like when really, what I suspect the families (the people that matter most in all of this) really want is all their questions answered so they can finally get some closure on this. Questions about why the coroner ruled everyone was dead by 3:15pm when accounts from doctors and other medical staff suggest otherwise. Questions about why CCTV tapes went missing or were wiped and questions about who fed the media information which all but one outlet have now apologised for. That is the sort of truth the families are seeking I suspect, not just about whether is was the police or the fans what done it, as it so often seems to boil down to when it's discussed on here.

North Korea South Korea (by observation of my 6 year old son doing his world cup sticker album)

Genius! Not an annoying thing at all but best posted in the FB thread. Written by a boy I know from the Gallatown in Kirkcaldy.

The Jam - News of The World

Sweaty tits. Nice.

D'ere more d'an a club. Stop startin'.

My clothes all packed in the car ready for journey south and I end up with 3oz of baby sick on me. Bloody reflux! Hardly a bit of ezcema left on Niamh, I've been able to cut her down to the milder steroid cream and the parafin. Can't believe the difference.

Jeez, that bird on the left has hands like a fuckin Gamorrean Guard from Star Wars!!!!

If the documents showed football fans as being massively culpable they'd have been released long, long ago.

To give him his dues, he's cool as f**k considering his head is on fire.

I should say, as it has been missed by someone, evidently, that the failure to take responsibility for one's actions lies with both police and fans.

There ya go buddy David Templeton Andrew Merry

It's great news that the documents are finally being released about this, because there is no doubt in my mind that there were lies and cover-ups involved in the original inquiry. As has been mentioned before, it is also the case that some Liverpool fans were culpable too, and I think there is an element of the support who don't want to accept this. I reckon that failure to accept any blame will mean that the conspiracy stuff continues even after the release of this information. The stuff Radford posted about the 3:15pm cut-off time is very valid - that was a complete perversion of justice which was purely created to prevent any investigation into the delay in ambulances being allowed on to the field. I wasn't even born when Hillsborough happened, so I can't comment on the safety issues of stadia in the past, but I'm sure that there were many near-misses. I'm sure there were other occasions where the police were poorly prepared and negligent, and where fans of other clubs tried to get in to games without tickets and created crushes. However, given Liverpool's history at Heysel, you'd think that some of the supporters - many of whom would have been there in Brussels - would have had more sense than to push in from the back and cause a crush. And the galling thing is that you still saw Liverpool fans in Istanbul and Athens trying to get in without tickets and thinking it was all a big laugh. But if a crush had happened at either of those games, it would no doubt have been the fault of the Turkish or Greek police. I find this picture below sums up some of the Liverpool support. They have one banner saying "Don't Buy the Sun", which is obviously a valid protest at the paper's dreadful headlines in the aftermath of the disaster. However, they also find it acceptable to display a massive "Steaua Bucuresti 1986" banner, which is taunting Everton fans about the fact that Steaua won the Champions League in the year after Heysel. That was a year in which Everton would have competed had they not been banned in the aftermath of Liverpool hooligans killing people at Heysel.

the liverpool fans don't want the actual truth though, they want to hear that 96 fans were martryrs to police incompetence and bias and that all liverpool fans were blameless. that is the only 'truth' they are interested in. i actually feel that this is some kind of labour plot to get one over the tories. the documents being released would have be written by thatcherite civil servants 20 years, i don't imagine they will be overly sympathetic to the lovable scousers. expect outrage.

No don't really get involved in many non Scottish match threads to be honest. I despise most of the top English clubs though!

the ones without tickets the ones who charged in? although we'll never no who or how many..i have very little sympathy for liverpool fans 4 years previous the killed 39 juve fans injuring another 600 by causing a crush and tried to blame the police and juve fans then.hopefuly the vast majority of blameclands squarely on the lap of the scousers.

This is why any debate gets shut down.

Good to see that T.J. Detweiler has gone far since Recess.

Reduced me to tears.

doubt it. i expect decades more world class wallowing on merseyside.

there not going to like it when the truth turns out to be scousers kept on pushing each other rather than having respect for the other people around them.

What do I win? Also this one from that site is also amusing. Who the f**k wears a vest out?! Not even a designer vest, if such a thing exists (and I fucking hope it doesn't), but a scaffy Asda Smartprice looking vest, which is rather unflattering to his small pot belly. By the time he's 50 this c**t will be on the oxygen after a shite;

Arsehole drivers who don't slow down when approaching puddles and soak the people on the pavements(me)

But a shite manager. You're playing Skype out of position.

it updates with my facebook picture ive noticed yours isnt piss stained bed sheets?

It appears to be a haven for top celebs, too. Witness: Gregg Wallace and Rod Stewart.

Her daughter apparently

I dare you, no, I double dare you, to post "careless".

That is my sons mate

I didn't know "The Human Thumb" was from Galashiels.

First (and probably last) time I have ever watched a House of Commons debate live for over 4 hours. Alison McGovern was amazing. Really emotional listening to her. The truth is going to come out now, I am so glad for the families.

Its on my facebook..... this is the only pic i have of me on the work computer.... its genuinely uncanny Wayne Hennessey & Me

I see you have also updated your personal photo to one that doesn't show that receding hairline of yours. Smart move.

cause it was shite.

If it's predictable then it's got to be committed and extensive. I once changed my (female) friends to all lesbian stuff, liked loads of pages, changed quotes so at least it was more difficult to change back. Every time someone frapes my cousin it's always something slightly gay but not blatant. He doesn't ever post statuses so they're all pretty much frapes. "living in the west end isn't just a place to stay, it's a lifestyle" "cannot wait for the rain to go away and the sun to come out so I can drink beers in the park" "bamboo sunday, be there or be square..lets get it on with the lads and a night to remember but one we have no memories of" Also changed his gender, not fantastic but people rarely notice it and it can last a while.

Still think we'll be lucky to see him before the turn of the year.

Well the nature of football is such that it's almost always the case that away form is worse than home form. I don't think we should necessarily expect them to be the same. I'm not so sure our "home form" is that much better anyway. We had an everything went right day against Morton and deservedly won against a Hamilton side whose best three outfield players all missed the game. If you are including cup games then our two away defeats came against an SPL side who played with a man advantage for an hour and a first division rival (in extra time). Our two home wins came against lower division opposition. If we hadn't conceded a last minute penalty at Livi and Robinson hadn't saved Conroy's last second shot at home to Dundee last week we'd be a point better off overall but our home and away "form" would be quite different. Would the overall picture really be any different for it though? We've played four home, five away, for me it's too early to assess any great difference between our form in either. Even if there was though, the point I was making is that I simply don't accept the manager has made any great habit of playing for a 0-0. If he's done it all, and I'm not convinced he has, then it was only at Falkirk yesterday. He didn't play for a 0-0 at Ayr and as I said, even sent on a teenage striker with quarter of an hour to go in an attempt to remain positive. Something that actually cost us as McLaughlin got injured immediately afterward and had to hobble through the rest of the game.

Anyone watching Raw

I've always gotten the impression that the campaigners only expect one outcome and that that outcome would (in their minds) be an admission of culpability by those in charge and a number of civil suits thereafter. An honest and open disclosure would, of course, show that both sides were at fault and that the whole thing could have been avoided but it really depends whether this disclosure is made in a "here's the facts" kind of way, or, as XBL highlights, whether it is "flavoured" one way or another. Regardless, those with agendas will not be satisfied no matter how full and frank the outcome and I expect this nonsense persecution complex stuff to rumble on regardless afterwards, and I say that as a Liverpool fan.

How many of those fans were killed? Have a wee think about this, were the fans pushing in at the back killed or would it be more likely to be the fans already in the stadium and at the front? As for wanting the blame to fall squarely in the lap of the scoucers shows what an utter twat you are.

To be fair, it's not an acronym as an acronym makes up another word, but yes, it's not a great post. Abhorrent policing is one thing, a dreadful thing, but equally the lack of responsibility for one's own actions is quite shameful.

So go tell them to bolt?