HibeeJibee
Nov 26 2008, 01:19
According to my records, there are only 2 previous seasons when all of Scotland's entrants have gone out in their first round. These are Rangers (1956-57) and Hearts (1958-59). In both those seasons, we only had 1 entrant in Europe. This season we had 5. This is our worst season ever.
Seanaldinho
Nov 26 2008, 01:45
I know, shocking.
I think it's so typical of Scottish football that last season our teams were fantastic, Rangers got to the UEFA Cup final, Celtic got to the last 16 of the CL, Aberdeen got to the knock out stages of the UEFA Cup and of course the national team was absolutely sensational, and yet only a year later we're all absolutely rubbish again. Why can't we build on what we achieved last season?
So very disappointing.
WeAreThePeople
Nov 26 2008, 01:50
QUOTE (Seanaldinho @ Nov 26 2008, 01:45)

Why can't we build on what we achieved last season?
Because we are a seller club and stopped our top asset playing in Europe, suffered from it, then sold him.
As for Celtic, the luck ran oot at Parkhead vs Aalborg.
sergie's no1 fan
Nov 26 2008, 02:56
QUOTE (WeAreThePeople @ Nov 26 2008, 01:50)

Because we are a seller club and stopped our top asset playing in Europe, suffered from it, then sold him.
As for Celtic, the luck ran oot at Parkhead vs Aalborg.
i think he meant scottish football as a whole
i blame airdrie and that bloody challenge cup
port-ton
Nov 26 2008, 07:27
A scottish team hasn't won one game in Europe this season, I think last night was the 11th European game of the season. Scottish football in general seems to be resorting back to the natural order of things after a good couple of years. I actually think it may have something to do with Scottish teams trying to build on their good defensive work the last couple of years and trying to play a bit more football, which our teams including the national side don't seem to have the quality to do. Might be time to go back to basics again.
Hedgecutter
Nov 26 2008, 08:57
Although it's sad to see the demise of Scottish football this year as a whole, I have been finding this Celtic away day 'cringe' a great running joke of late*. Let the OF fans know how it feels to be one of us non-glory hunters for a change instead of expecting a win every week.
*last 5 years or so
shameless
Nov 26 2008, 10:07
Yeah utter embarrassment foe Scottish Football this, Rangers should have beaten Hearts feeder team Kaunas hands down.
And after the Champions League draw was made, I like all others thought that Celtic at worst case scenario would be in UEFA cup, and depending on results maybe last 16 of Champions League for Third year in a row.
Shocking results for two teams who have been regulars in Europe for ever!!!
TeeMan
Nov 26 2008, 10:16
We should never have let these diddy teams into Europe, if only someone had the good sense to make sure that the 4th best team in the SPL was guaranteed qualification
Hedgecutter
Nov 26 2008, 12:21
Couple of good things risen from this:
At least we won't have to put up with all that fixture congestion p**h again this season and we might actually have a fair fight for the SPL title without the OF using the usual claim that 'we would have done better than the other team if we'd have had a break midweek'.
barrhead_killieboy
Nov 26 2008, 13:32
QUOTE (TeeMan @ Nov 26 2008, 10:16)

We should never have let these diddy teams into Europe, if only someone had the good sense to make sure that the 4th best team in the SPL was guaranteed qualification

Although I do agree that extra spot should go to 4th (well, 5th for next season

), I think Queens are the only team who can hold their heads up high.
Skyline Drifter
Nov 26 2008, 13:45
QUOTE (barrhead_killieboy @ Nov 26 2008, 13:32)

Although I do agree that extra spot should go to 4th (well, 5th for next season

), I think Queens are the only team who can hold their heads up high.

To an extent.
I don't think Motherwell have anything to be overly embarrassed about either. They lost to a much better team, though their second leg performance was never-the-less fairly abject.
Hibs losing comfortably to a team who later went out to St Patrick's Athletic is pretty criminal even if it was their first game back and they were probably done for match sharpness.
The OF, particularly Celtic, have no excuses. Quite how Celtic failed to beat that lot twice is beyond me. Champions League last 16 might have been a big ask but they should have got a UEFA spot comfortably.
Us? We did ok, Nordsjaelland are ultimately better than us. We did probably show them too much respect at "home" though in a match that became partly farcical due to the weather. It probably didn't also help that we had to play at Airdrie but I'm not convinced that made that much difference and in any event playing at Palmerston was a non-starter so there's no point crying about that. We gave things a right good go over there and, if we'd been carrying a draw from the first leg I think we'd have held onto the 1-0 lead we had there. We did ultimately lose but we lost chasing a second goal. If you are going to go out on away goals then you may as well push for another. We paid the price for doing so. I'm very proud of our showing in Denmark. Since we did go out anyway I wish we'd at least won the second leg but there was no point settling for that at the time.
We had some fair share of lucky in the CL, it was Aalborgs turn this year.
Dunning1874
Nov 26 2008, 21:05
Yes, Aalborg aren't a great side, but Celtic getting to the last 16 in the last two seasons was over acheiving. They should have made the UEFA cup, but they've gone from overacheiving two years on the trot to underacheiving this year, there's no crisis for Scottish football here.
The Rangers' result was an embarrassment (hilarious though), but Motherwell and Queen of the South didn't do too badly, and Hibs are just a bit shit really. I think there's been an over reaction here.
mcfadden78
Nov 26 2008, 22:04
Yeah ill agree with that.
Hibernian have simply not been good enough, but then again they lost their best players. Having said that, as a club of their reasonable stature, they need to be doing a better job as a whole.
Rangers was a shock (like Artmedia) and i have no doubt they can turn things round. Motherwell's displays were hard done by but shows the fact we are well behind the French in our 'ordinary' teams. Celtic, no excuses there - a lack of confidence perhaps.
QOS, a glorious failure and did well in the second leg.
Traditionally, though Scottish clubs have never done well in Europe. Last two seasons were overachieving. We now need to keep producing the players and put out a 'decent' non old firm side, for once. Hearts did it in 2005 and 1998. Aberdeen back in the 90's
It needs to be done!
ChampionsElect
Nov 27 2008, 00:14
Would Scotlands worst season not be when only 1 team got into the Champions League and then got knocked out?
WeAreThePeople
Nov 27 2008, 01:25
QUOTE (ChampionsElect @ Nov 27 2008, 00:14)

Would Scotlands worst season not be when only 1 team got into the Champions League and then got knocked out?
No because there is a higher chance of 1 side getting knocked out than 2.
or 3 sides getting knocked out of europe, than 5.
Toby Fair
Dec 5 2008, 20:22
I can't recall a better year.
We were there for Christ's sake and the Old Firm were abysmal, with Rangers in particular providing one of the great moments of my season.
Marvellous stuff.
Did Celtic not make £16 million this year off the CL. Pretty successful for them then plus they wont get players injured in meaningless UEFA cup games.
glasnost
Dec 23 2008, 19:44
QUOTE (dogma @ Dec 19 2008, 13:54)

Did Celtic not make £16 million this year off the CL. Pretty successful for them then plus they wont get players injured in meaningless UEFA cup games.
Meaningless UEFA Cup games?
sonofjenova
Dec 25 2008, 20:42
QUOTE (glasnost @ Dec 23 2008, 19:44)

Meaningless UEFA Cup games?

It's not a very good tournament, as much as the Old Firm like to blow their own trumpet by suggesting it is.
QUOTE (sonofjenova @ Dec 25 2008, 20:42)

It's not a very good tournament, as much as the Old Firm like to blow their own trumpet by suggesting it is.
I disagree. The Uefa Cup may not have the Madrids, Barcelonas and Milans competing regularly in it, but it is still a good competition and often throws up some excellent games. Although it can be said that some teams don't appear to take the competition as serious as they might.
glasnost
Dec 29 2008, 18:20
QUOTE (sonofjenova @ Dec 25 2008, 20:42)

It's not a very good tournament, as much as the Old Firm like to blow their own trumpet by suggesting it is.
It is still a tournament there to be won. It is hardly meaningless for us.
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