This was discussed pre-season, but never happened in practice, but I’ve noticed the weekend thread becoming harder to read over the last few weeks so we’ll see how this goes.
There are two weekend threads for this coming week.
This thread is for posting chat, tips, and general musings on the weekend’s action. If you want to post a list of teams you’ve backed without any the reasoning behind it, please do this in the other thread.
I will be actively managing these topics and moving posts where necessary.

im liking this idea, not looked at the weekend coupon yet tho

I've been banging on about this for yonks. Well in lad.

Totally agree, much better idea. Not looked at the odds yet but i fancy a couple of games in the 3rd, hopefully they will be decent value. Montrose and Albion again. Nothing jumos out it the 1st or 2nd. Maybe St Johnstone..

How long before someone posts a list of thier teams without reading the op?

Liking Bolton in the EPL. I like 5/1 offers decent value against a Liverpool team who have gone slightly off the boil, in recent weeks. The game against West Brom aside, which offered little in terms of a form finder. Bolton are slowly starting to improve under Megson and with the bottom half being so tight two wins on the bounce has appeared to have boosted their confidence as they have seen how many places they have jumped ( 18>11). They were unlucky to lose at home to Everton who themselves are seeing a resurgence in form and against Spurs who were of course on a high following HR's appointment. Wins agaist West Ham, Man City and Hull have been included in there last 6 results and I think 5/1 is value. No stick of course, but value.

EPL Done.

Shagger Out.

Stenny
Shire
Falkirk
Man Utd
Man City
Arsenal
Birmingham
Peterborough

23p and a packet of Jonny's Onion Rings on the above.

Please do not abuse the discussion thread.

Ladbrokes doesn't have the odds up for saturdays league football.

But for Chelsea game away to West Brom I would like to know the odds for Chelsea scoring 3+ goals. Also fancy them winning to nil.

West Brom are at times all over the place at the back especially with Donk. Seen him a couple of times with AZ and he just looked like a bombscare and not much has changed. Up front thye don't have many goals. Miller, Bednar, Moore are all good players but don't exactly fill you with confidence when up against a defence like Chelsea's.

I wouldn't be so confident about us winning infact I am considering including us in a three draw line.

In Italy home specialists Catania 5-0-1 are 11/10 to beat Torino 0-2-3, Udinese 4-2-0 should be home bankers at 2/5 v bottom side Reggina who are pointless on the road and conceded 16 for 1 scored.

Sunderland are on a poor run but were a bit unlucky against Portsmouth and look value to me at 3's or 7/4 DNB at Ewood Park against a Blackburn side who have 1 win in 5 home games and just 3 goals plus a worsening injury list, they play tomorrow in the league cup but I imagine both sides won't play a full strength side.

A great single is Zaki 11/4 anytime scorer with Hills at St James', Newcastle's defence was back to shite against Fulham without Taylor missing plus the Egyptian takes spot kicks and Newcastle have conceded about 6 this season.

What bookies are they odds with.

That Zaki bet looks too good to be true.

Agree about Udi but not so sure about Catania. Great home record but I hate betting on or against Torino. They are such an enigma.

In all seriousness this time St Johnstone should be on most people's coupon this weekend. I don't know if the odds are out anywhere but I would think you would get around the even money mark maybe? Or is that a tad ambitious?

Clyde have been pretty awful of late and it seems Brown has lost the plot. By all accounts a lot of players have been getting played out of position in the last couple of weeks including there best striker in midfield.

They also have the boy Gemmill playing up front which I think shows the lack of quality they have for this division, this guy could barely get a game for a terrible Berwick Rangers team last season in the second division.

Apart from a win against Livingston a few weeks ago results have generally been appalling recently getting beaten of Mortn, Dunfermline, Ross County and of course Partick last week.

St Johnstone are absolutely flying and finally seem to have found the correct balance for the team. They have settled with Holmes and Milne as the front pairing after chopping and changing and these guys are deadly in front of goal, as I can testify when they came on against the best team in the third division and put us to the sword in the CIS when the game was tight until that point.

A solid midfield as well which should run over the top of Clyde if you look at both sides on paper there is surely only one outcome on Saturday?

St Johnstone are 8/11 with bet 365

Clyde at home are 1-3-2, St Johnstones away record is 3-2-1

A very decent shout, I normally steer clear of Division 1, but this is one I like the look of

i would disagree, even a well below par liverpool are grinding out some pretty impressive results this season, however a cheeky wee draw would certainly be worth a punt.

U realy do love your draws dont you mate?

they re risky i know, but until i started trying them out i'd never had a win over £100 beforehand.


The cowden game was just a blip

Nothing wrong with draws, they are the most important part of my football betting usually.

same, it's the only way for me to win really big money without putting on more than four teams on a line.

I haven't placed a multiple bet is three or four years, but the draw is important to me because it tends to be priced in a lazy way. I don't bet on Scottish football any more, but for example in previous years there have been a lot of draws in the First Division particular involving certain teams, yet the draw would be priced at 13/5 (3.6) for most games week in week out.

Also people don't tend to want to back the draw, so if you're patient and can spot the value you can back it at an inflated price. The key part of my betting these days is that I often end up laying a home favourite in a lot of games, which usually means there is value in the draw so I usually end up backing the draw as well. Therefore I'm usually cheering for a draw rather than for the favourite to lose.

The thing about draws is that the game starts a draw. If you have a 50 team accy of draws, once it hits 3pm on a Saturday, your coupon is winning and you just need it to stay the same. I'm probably going to try a trixie of draws each weekend, cos the odds are good, and there's always plenty 'close' games to chose from.

I'm on Hills website, so obviously the prices are shitter.

There's talk of the Berwick boss being replaced before Saturday, if this doesn't happen though then Forfar at home must go on the coupon, although the price here is a short 8/13 Berwick do seem to be utterly woeful. Wouldn't touch it if they are managerless though, you know how that often works out.

Some great prices in Div2 even for Hills standards, Alloa did well last week and are 13/8 at Stranny. Its Perfectly feasible that Peterhead can win at Raith at 11/4 and Ayr are evens at Hampden. Some trixie related fun with those 3 i'd imagine.

In League 2, top of the table Darlington are at home to Lincoln, I was originally draw to Bury against Grimsby, but Bury aren't scoring many goals.

In League 1, Swindon seem to be in freefall, and i'd be surprised if leaders Leicester didn't beat them (11/10) and in the prem, a revived Spurs are the same price away at George Michaels favourite team, the cottagers.

Overall, not a great deal on offer though, although i've only had a quick glance so i've probably missed loads.

Liking the look of both of them. Probably add in another for a large (relatively) trixie. Quite liking the anytime goalscorers this season too and the earlier suggested Zaki at 11/4 looks a cracking bet.

As for backing draws. Its something I just cant bring myself to do often. Similar to Rangers its like anti-football betting and goes against what footballs all about. Although I appreciate when money is involved it shouldnt matter. Just dont like watching a game hoping for a draw. Its like backing 'no goalscorer' where your effectively hoping for a sh!t game. Do agree with Blue though that the Scottish Division 1 almost always represents good value for draws.

Yip a Clyde win

Forfar v Berwick at 5/6

Forfar haven't won at home in the league yet which is the reason for this excellent price, but having seen them and looking at their points total, they are a very decent 3rd division team.

Berwick are a shambles on and off the pitch and have lost 5 in a row.

Forfar to break their home hoodoo in convincing fashion, with Graham Gibson scoring 4 in a 3-0 home win.

That would be some feat. Imagine watching Gillette Soccer waiting for 50 draws to come in.

I will occassionaly do a draw line. Although except for my 2-2 lucky 15's I haven't put a line of draws on since Cowden cost me a shed load after conceding a 96th minute goal against Stenny (I think) while the three others came up.

It just wouldn't feel right putting on a big accumulator with a draw on it.

Dumbarton

Bollocks. Knew it was one of the two.

Laying every match at 10 seconds past 3.

As has been said, Spurs away to Fulham looks a decent bet at 13/10. I watched Fulham's win over Newcastle on Sunday and before Coloccini gave away that needless penalty Newcastle were in the ascendancy and i feel would've gone on to win the match.

Also tempted to stick Hull (15/8) in a trixie. Man City are dreadful away from home and although Hull haven't won in 3(?), i think they're the type of team that Man City would dread playing at the moment.

Man City are all over the place at the moment. Not able to win and indeed nearly losing against a poor Newcastle side, and losing to Bolton. Then losing at home to spurs. The only blessing they may have is that Dunne is suspended. He has been a total bombscare in recent weeks.

There seems to be a few decent prospective bets at the weekend, but there's one that initially (haven't done all of my research yet) catches the eye.

Southampton vs Wolves - Evs

So far Southampton have only won 1 home game this season, a 2-0 win vs Norwich. (Home Record 1-3-4) They have only scored 6 goals in in ther 8 home games (15 in 16 games in total). Granted, they have only conceded 10 in those games, but they face the most profilic goalscorers in the division in Wolves.

Wolves have great attacking talent, being able to pick from Iwelumo, Kightly, Ebanks-Blake, or all three. Wolves have conceded a large number of goals this season, for a team top of the league, but they have scored 18 goals in their 8 away games. (Away Record 5-1-2)

I will do a bit more resarch before betting, but I feel that this is a really good chance for Wolves to extend their un-beaten run, and at a great price too.

Southampton are a bogey team for Wolves. They haven't beaten them in years.

Fulham are decent at home (Only 1 defeat), and Tottenham haven't won an EPL match at Craven Cottage since 2001/02 season.

Depends how much you read into head to head records really. Wolves have an appalling record against Southampton, but then how many of Southampton's expected starting lineup at the weekend have played against Wolves before for Southampton?

Looking at the Wolves 2-2 Southampton game played on 4th March 2008, I reckon the only player who started the game for Southampton that day who is likely to start at the weekend is Kelvin Davis, their goalkeeper. Nearly all the other players have left or are injured.

So if i put say £50 on it how much would i get back?

£91.67

Only with ladbrokes?

I dont no what all the bets mean at all, im a total novice to betting

Different bookies have different odds. Try oddschecker.com for the best odds. Odds of 5/6 mean that, for every £6 you put on, you "win" £5. You also get your stake returned, so that means you get £11 back. Therefore, if you bet £50, you get £91.67 back.

If you're new to betting, the best thing is to click the "decimal odds" tab on whatever bookie website you're on. Then you just multiply the odds by your stake and get the return.

p.s. do not put £50 on a bet if you're not sure what you're doing.

My thinking behind that is if i say forfar to win, i put the bet on and the odds being so high i get a good amount back?

ps how did you get £91.67 back at 5/6? i got £106 in my head

How did you get £106?

50 x 11/6 = 91.67



You're multiplying by 11/6 because you always add one to the fractional odds in order to work out the return.

Still not got a clue how you get it, dont understand it, dam i feel like im back at school in the lowest class

maybe, but the goals that hull have have lost at the back this season has been unbelievable, with an attack like man citys, i wouldnt bet against them scoring for fun against them this weekend.

simple mate with 5/6, just divide 11(the 5 plus the 6!) by the 6 and you ll get your odds of about 1.83

True, I just feel when the record is so bad (as Wolves is with Southampton) that it will be playing on the mind of supporters and will probably be well known within the club, and thus have a negative effect on the players.

That Wolves game just reeks as a coupon buster, you'd have had them as bankers when they got reamed off Norwich a few weeks ago - I don't think I'll bother.

Don't worry about it, we were all like that at one point!!

If you have £5 on 3 teams at say 1/2 4/5 and 5/4 what you do is:

1 divided by 2 is 0.5 so you multiply that by the stake which in this case is 5 so you get 2.5 then you add your stake again so you get 7.5. So in the calculator you would do 1 divided by 2 multiply by your stake then add the stake! so then it would be the same again but this time your stake is 7.5. Once you have done the same again for the 4/5 you would have £13.50. That going onto 5/4 would give you 30.375 so £30.38. If you still don't understand mate PM me!

And yes Forfar are a good bet, as is Albion Rovers as already mentioned!

Just bang your odds into a betting calculators as it takes out all the maths and hassle. If you don't understand how odds and return work, then you probably shouldn't be betting more than a few quid.

Many ways of explaining it as someone else has done it completely different to me! Here's how I do it - If you have £5 and you are placing a bet on a team which is odds of 5/6 then you do this:-

( / stands for divide, just incase you didn't know. Just type the calculation into a calculator and you will get the outcome)

5 x 5 / 6 = 4.1666667 then add that to your stake which = £9.1666667 (£9.17 rounded up).

Show you again with other odds. You have £2.50 on a team that is odds of 11/8 so:-

2.5 x 11 / 8 = 3.4375 + 2.5(stake) = £5.9375 (£5.94 rounded up).

If you had a double then you just accumulate. Say you had a £2.50 bet on with odds of 11/8 and 4/5 then it would work out like so:-

Well we already know you would get 5.9375 from the 11/8 so your new stake is 5.9375 going on to odds of 4/5, so:-

5.9375 x 4 / 5 = 4.75 + 5.9375 = £10.6875 (£10.69 rounded up).

It's simple once you know how and you can do it easy enough on a calculator as it is just simple fractions, and I was useless at fractions when I was at school!

Hope this helps! If not just use the link, it's ladbrokes' bet calculator and it's simple to use and obviously accurate! Just make sure you click to calculate as fractions and not decimals.


http://www.ladbrokes.com/betCalculator/foo...Calculator.html

I think going decimal is the best advice if you're a novice. The above would then read - £5 x 1.5 x 1.8 x 2.25(always add one when dividing)=£30.38

To whoever said Swindon are in freefall, far from it! They have won two and drawn the other from their last three. Histon aside of course and that was far from the worst league v non-league result last week.

Forfar is going to be very hard to resist, even though the Berwick manager has now gone. Albion Rovers at home to Annan and Stirling at home to Arbroath may be my treble. Unsure about Wolves and Ipswich at Doncaster, they may be coupon busters. Doncaster, like another team in red and white hoops, have been playing well but not getting the results they deserve. Dundee at 2.36 on betfair at home to QoS is tempting.

bit of a long road, for a shortcut I would say.

£5 on a5/6 shot would be 5*11/6

£2.50 on a 11/8 would be 2.5*19/8