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Sir Kevin Of Kilsyth
I have just been speaking to a Celtic supporting friend of mine and he says that himself and a group of Celtic fans plan on boycotting Parkhead on Saturday because of the poppy thing and going to see St Rochs instead.

I wont delve into my feelings on that for now but I was just wondering. Is anyone else involved in any sort of boycott and do you think the attendence will be decreased significantly at all by it?
LordHawHaw
QUOTE (Sir Kevin Of Kilsyth @ Nov 4 2008, 17:36) *
I have just been speaking to a Celtic supporting friend of mine and he says that himself and a group of Celtic fans plan on boycotting Parkhead on Saturday because of the poppy thing and going to see St Rochs instead.

I wont delve into my feelings on that for now but I was just wondering. Is anyone else involved in any sort of boycott and do you think the attendence will be decreased significantly at all by it?



First I've heard of it, I can completely understand why say our Irish fans don't want this, I would be surprised if it affected our crowd even marginally. certainly won't stop me, or anyone I know from going
Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 4 2008, 17:40) *
First I've heard of it, I can completely understand why say our Irish fans don't want this,


Have your Irish fans expressed an opinion? Or are you making things 'more true' again biggrin.gif

If any Celtic fan is offended by this, I'm surprised they can stomach supporting a club who have held military parades and carry Army adverts in the magazine
LordHawHaw
QUOTE (Millfield Marksman @ Nov 4 2008, 17:44) *
Have your Irish fans expressed an opinion? Or are you making things 'more true' again biggrin.gif


I'm giving an opinion, I might be wrong, nor did I guess the full range of people reasons who might not want it, I honestly don't think it will have any effect on teh crowd



QUOTE (Millfield Marksman @ Nov 4 2008, 17:44) *
If any Celtic fan is offended by this, I'm surprised they can stomach supporting a club who have held military parades and carry Army adverts in the magazine


Are you "guessing" that not wanting it to happen is the same as being offended by it?

I've not heard anyone myself say anything about it, I assume incidently that we are talking about a sewn poppy into teh strip? Non story for me
Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 4 2008, 17:52) *
Are you "guessing" that not wanting it to happen is the same as being offended by it?


'Offense' has been mentioned elsewhere. I apologise for bringing the word onto this thread tongue.gif

I also expect the boycott to be noticeable by its absence
MC Pee Pants
i thought celtic supporters boycotted all matches bar old firm games and european ties.
zenith st.petersburg
Lets cut through the bullshit.
It has been well documented in other threads how Celtic Park was nowhere near capacity (i go to every home game and there has been anything between 5-10,000 shy of capacity in recent weeks)for the most recent home games- Aberdeen & most notably Accies.
Why will the Motherwell match be any different ? What were the fans protesting about for those fixtures?
There wont be a full house for Motherwell and it's got nowt to do with poppy day. Personally , i didn't even give it a thought until it was discussed on here.
Shitstirring of the highest order. dry.gif
youroldda
QUOTE (Sir Kevin Of Kilsyth @ Nov 4 2008, 17:36) *
I have just been speaking to a Celtic supporting friend of mine and he says that himself and a group of Celtic fans plan on boycotting Parkhead on Saturday because of the poppy thing and going to see St Rochs instead.

I wont delve into my feelings on that for now but I was just wondering. Is anyone else involved in any sort of boycott and do you think the attendence will be decreased significantly at all by it?



NO WAY! but i will be boycotting any games over the so called christmas period because jesus was jewish mad.gif
sev
QUOTE (youroldda @ Nov 4 2008, 18:45) *
NO WAY! but i will be boycotting any games over the so called christmas period because jesus was jewish mad.gif


I too will be boycotting because they use scotch pies and not irish pies
LordHawHaw
As long as they don't run out of bovril then I'm happy smile.gif
Pink Freud
Self evident nonsense. Much as the likes of Beyemystic will no doubt be frothing at the mouth of anything remotely British being celebrated at a British club with Irish roots, most Celtic fans will realise that as well as Scots, plenty of Irish fought and died in the second and first world wars. They too need to be remembered, and you'd have to be a deluded bitter Irish nationalist of the RIRA persuasion not to realise it. Or a verbose tosser with extensive vocabularys (sic). tongue.gif
LordHawHaw
QUOTE (Pink Freud @ Nov 4 2008, 19:15) *
Self evident nonsense. Much as the likes of Beyemystic will no doubt be frothing at the mouth of anything remotely British being celebrated at a British club with Irish roots, most Celtic fans will realise that as well as Scots, plenty of Irish fought and died in the second and first world wars. They too need to be remembered, and you'd have to be a deluded bitter Irish nationalist of the RIRA persuasion not to realise it. Or a verbose tosser with extensive vocabularys (sic). tongue.gif


I'm pretty sure we will have lots of people not happy with it for a whole range of reasons, in my opinion it will, when compared with the numbers attending, be small.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion
Pink Freud
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 4 2008, 19:23) *
I'm pretty sure we will have lots of people not happy with it for a whole range of reasons, in my opinion it will, when compared with the numbers attending, be small.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion


Indeed they are, and I know for a fact that there are supporters of my own club that don't think this is right for a variety of reasons. I don't like the presupposition that Celtic fans will, as a group, be somehow more "offended" than others. And, as previously stated, there are many people, Irish and of Irish decent, who will have plenty to remember. wink.gif
sev
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 4 2008, 19:05) *
As long as they don't run out of bovril then I'm happy smile.gif


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myshkin
QUOTE (zenith st.petersburg @ Nov 4 2008, 18:20) *
Lets cut through the bullshit.
It has been well documented in other threads how Celtic Park was nowhere near capacity (i go to every home game and there has been anything between 5-10,000 shy of capacity in recent weeks)for the most recent home games- Aberdeen & most notably Accies.
Why will the Motherwell match be any different ? What were the fans protesting about for those fixtures?
There wont be a full house for Motherwell and it's got nowt to do with poppy day. Personally , i didn't even give it a thought until it was discussed on here.
Shitstirring of the highest order. dry.gif



You said it. One empty seat on Saturday and it's open season for the loonies on here.


Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (myshkin @ Nov 4 2008, 20:14) *
You said it. One empty seat on Saturday and it's open season for the loonies on here.


A good few of them saying the boycott was a success tongue.gif
djn
Surely the board will claim 60,000 regardless?

Anyhow, nice touch by Celtic to do this with the strips - surely only a bigot cold be offended?
Beyemystic
QUOTE (Pink Freud @ Nov 4 2008, 19:15) *
Self evident nonsense. Much as the likes of Beyemystic will no doubt be frothing at the mouth of anything remotely British being celebrated at a British club with Irish roots, most Celtic fans will realise that as well as Scots, plenty of Irish fought and died in the second and first world wars. They too need to be remembered, and you'd have to be a deluded bitter Irish nationalist of the RIRA persuasion not to realise it. Or a verbose tosser with extensive vocabularys (sic). tongue.gif


As well as two and a half million Germans in ww1, lest we forget.

I for one would rather commemerate the ghastly, needless death of ordinary working men in the trenches, than tug my forelock to British "officer class" cowards who sat five miles away in their oppulent tents.

Just my personal opinion like.
Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (Beyemystic @ Nov 5 2008, 01:54) *
than tug my forelock to British "officer class" cowards


The death rate suffered by junior officers was amongst the highest of the war. Whatever faults were attributable to the middle/upper echelons, cowardice can be left out of it wink.gif
Pink Freud
QUOTE (Beyemystic @ Nov 5 2008, 01:54) *
than tug my forelock to British "officer class" cowards who sat five miles away in their oppulent tents.

Just my personal opinion like.


Nonsense. I personally ache to be buggered by a landed type. Particularly if they are descended from Cromwell somewhere in their lineage.

Seriously, if you think that's what is behind Rememberance Day, then fair enough. No one that I know, whether British or not thinks like that. I remember the fact that millions of people were killed, regardless of the nationality of the fallen.

You are truly one eyed, Plastic. It's a damn shame.
caoimhin
QUOTE (Millfield Marksman @ Nov 5 2008, 10:33) *
The death rate suffered by junior officers was amongst the highest of the war. Whatever faults were attributable to the middle/upper echelons, cowardice can be left out of it wink.gif


junior officers would have been just as liable to get a bullet for deserting as everyone else.of course they wouldn't turn and run
Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (caoimhin @ Nov 5 2008, 14:03) *
junior officers would have been just as liable to get a bullet for deserting as everyone else.of course they wouldn't turn and run


I'm not sure that cowardice allows for such balanced judgement calls. Act first, consequences later
khenny
QUOTE (Beyemystic @ Nov 5 2008, 01:54) *
As well as two and a half million Germans in ww1, lest we forget.

I for one would rather commemerate the ghastly, needless death of ordinary working men in the trenches, than tug my forelock to British "officer class" cowards who sat five miles away in their oppulent tents.

Just my personal opinion like.



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Laughing AT you of course, not with you. Fud.
MC Pee Pants
Shouldn't this thread be titled Bhoycott?
LordHawHaw
QUOTE (Beyemystic @ Nov 5 2008, 01:54) *
As well as two and a half million Germans in ww1, lest we forget.



Yup, got to agree, we should be looking at paying homage to all the needless deaths by trying to stop the carnage going on in many places around the world
caoimhin
QUOTE (Millfield Marksman @ Nov 5 2008, 14:08) *
I'm not sure that cowardice allows for such balanced judgement calls. Act first, consequences later


surely they were doing little more than passing on orders from the rear
Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (caoimhin @ Nov 5 2008, 16:23) *
surely they were doing little more than passing on orders from the rear


Quite often, a la Blackadder IV closing scene, ranks up to Captain led their particular sections 'over the top' - which, of course, is why the death rate amongst those ranks was particularly high. It was not a particularly cushy number. Certainly as you look further and further up the hierarchy, the further and further away from battle you find the incumbents making ridiculous and tragic decisions. That's hardly unique to the British Army though
Pink Freud
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 5 2008, 15:20) *
Yup, got to agree, we should be looking at paying homage to all the needless deaths by trying to stop the carnage going on in many places around the world


Of course we should. And if focusing on the deaths of millions of soldiers once a year doesn't help to do that, I really don't know what will. But feel free to use this as an excuse to disapprove. wink.gif
WeAreThePeople
QUOTE (Sir Kevin Of Kilsyth @ Nov 4 2008, 17:36) *
I have just been speaking to a Celtic supporting friend of mine and he says that himself and a group of Celtic fans plan on boycotting Parkhead on Saturday because of the poppy thing and going to see St Rochs instead.

I wont delve into my feelings on that for now but I was just wondering. Is anyone else involved in any sort of boycott and do you think the attendence will be decreased significantly at all by it?


There will be no boycott, they are after all human and hopefully will be able to respect Remembrance Sunday.

I know quite a few Celtic fans going to the game, all shall be wearing poppies. Not all of them are miles into this "irish" thing and want to do everything against Britain they can. I don't see any problems at Celtic wither it is reduced attendance/ trouble.

I also feel your post is looking for a bit of a reaction from both sides, in the looking for trouble sense. Please excuse me if I have picked it up wrong though.
Dr Koop
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 4 2008, 17:40) *
First I've heard of it, I can completely understand why say our Irish fans don't want this, I would be surprised if it affected our crowd even marginally. certainly won't stop me, or anyone I know from going


M'lud, do you think 'our Irish fans' are aware of the Irish blood spilled in those wars, both service people and civilian?

I have no time for idiot patriots and the memory of Haig, but there's more to remembrance than that, and turning your nose up at a football game is not going to change things one jot. sad.gif
Dr Koop
QUOTE (youroldda @ Nov 4 2008, 18:45) *
NO WAY! but i will be boycotting any games over the so called christmas period because jesus was jewish mad.gif


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I thought he was a white Christian!



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Dr Koop
QUOTE (Fizzy Gillespie @ Nov 5 2008, 15:14) *
Shouldn't this thread be titled Bhoycott?


When will the video of this thread be in the shops? cool.gif
LordHawHaw
QUOTE (Pink Freud @ Nov 5 2008, 17:07) *
Of course we should. And if focusing on the deaths of millions of soldiers once a year doesn't help to do that, I really don't know what will. But feel free to use this as an excuse to disapprove. wink.gif


Who needs a excuse to disapprove? I don't disapprove, it just not soimething I want to do, better in my opinion if we made a current slaughter the point of focus, still feel free to tell someone that gave his life in 1916 how much you appreciate it. Must make the soldiers we have now positively overwhelmed that we might do the same for them in a few years time.




QUOTE (Dr Koop @ Nov 5 2008, 17:34) *
M'lud, do you think 'our Irish fans' are aware of the Irish blood spilled in those wars, both service people and civilian?


I don't think the Irish that fought in the British army in the second war were particularly well thought of when they went back to Ireland, I think the uniform was not welcome, not surprising given only a few years before the same uniform was denying democracy, burning cities and killing and looting.
Pink Freud
QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Nov 5 2008, 18:12) *
Who needs a excuse to disapprove? I don't disapprove, it just not soimething I want to do, better in my opinion if we made a current slaughter the point of focus, still feel free to tell someone that gave his life in 1916 how much you appreciate it. Must make the soldiers we have now positively overwhelmed that we might do the same for them in a few years time.
I don't think the Irish that fought in the British army in the second war were particularly well thought of when they went back to Ireland, I think the uniform was not welcome, not surprising given only a few years before the same uniform was denying democracy, burning cities and killing and looting.


Well, feel absolutely free to ignore the entire event. It's a free country. No really, it is. smile.gif
Come to think on it, the irony of a pro Irish Celtic fan trying to take the mick on the basis of remembering a soldier from 1916 is pretty priceless.
HibeeJibee
See, I just don't comprehend why anyone at/of Celtic FC can possibly have a problem with poppies, Remembrance Day celebrations, etc. etc. etc. About 35,000 Irishmen died in WWI alone, fighting the threats of Kaiserism and militarism. Ireland was part of the UK, they fought in the UK army. End of...
Beyemystic
QUOTE (HibeeJibee @ Nov 5 2008, 18:19) *
See, I just don't comprehend why anyone at/of Celtic FC can possibly have a problem with poppies, Remembrance Day celebrations, etc. etc. etc. About 35,000 Irishmen died in WWI alone, fighting the threats of Kaiserism and militarism. Ireland was part of the UK, they fought in the UK army. End of...


Actually Ireland was then an occupied state. Engaged in their own war of independence after a Sinn Fein general election landslide, they had little interest in an imperialist dispute between various competing 'Empires' of the day. Irish soldiers were only tempted into the fray with perfidious talk of winning 'home rule' but were then used as cannon fodder in places like Sud-el-bar.

Were that not enough to prejudice Irish persons against British "servicemen", the post WW1 antics of the black and tans certainly was.

I believe the Irish government eschews membership of NATO to this day because the prospect of having anything to do with British "servicemen" fills them with revulsion.

Pink Freud
QUOTE (Beyemystic @ Nov 6 2008, 00:19) *
Irish soldiers were only tempted into the fray with perfidious talk of winning 'home rule' but were then used as cannon fodder in places like Sud-el-bar.

Were that not enough to prejudice Irish persons against British "servicemen", the post WW1 antics of the black and tans certainly was.

I believe the Irish government eschews membership of NATO to this day because the prospect of having anything to do with British "servicemen" fills them with revulsion.


And of course you can speak for every Irishman that fought can you? Obviously those dastardly British saved a special place in hell for the Irish.

The Aussies and Kiwis had a lovely long summer holiday at Gallipoli didn't they? The Somme and Ypres were holiday camps for the British and Canadians.

Where I would agree with you is that the war itself was none of the business of Joe Public. In fact it hastened the end of the British Empire, which just about everyone would acknowledge as a good thing.

As for your NATO comment, that is ludicrous. Ireland has been clever and sensible about not being involved with NATO, but I think we both know why. Until recently as a country it had far more important things to spend money on than an overdeveloped standing army to be sent hither and thither on a whim. Ireland's close relationship with the USA would more than compensate for any dealings with the old foe.

Speaking of which, are you saying that it is more difficult for the Irish to forgive the British than it is for the British, French, Dutch, Belgians etc. to forgive Germany?
HibeeJibee

Think you've made a mistake in presuming that half of what Beyemystic says is logical/factual wink.gif .

QUOTE (Pink Freud @ Nov 6 2008, 15:29) *
And of course you can speak for every Irishman that fought can you? Obviously those dastardly British saved a special place in hell for the Irish.

The Aussies and Kiwis had a lovely long summer holiday at Gallipoli didn't they? The Somme and Ypres were holiday camps for the British and Canadians.

Exactly. Trying to claim that Irishmen were deliberately put into the worst it if, while everyone else lived a life of luxury, is nonsense. Especially since (in Beyemysticland), Britain loves the Ulsterman. The Irish soldiers has a terrible time, but so did everyone else - regardless of religion or nationality.

QUOTE (Pink Freud @ Nov 6 2008, 15:29) *
Where I would agree with you is that the war itself was none of the business of Joe Public. In fact it hastened the end of the British Empire, which just about everyone would acknowledge as a good thing.

Not really IMO. The British Empire actually grew during the 1920s, after the war, although it is true to say that self-rule (colonialism, in contemporary speak) replaced centralised-rule (imperialism), as the doctrine of choice. Undeniably, World War Two marked the beginning of the end of Empire.

QUOTE (Pink Freud @ Nov 6 2008, 15:29) *
As for your NATO comment, that is ludicrous. Ireland has been clever and sensible about not being involved with NATO, but I think we both know why. Until recently as a country it had far more important things to spend money on than an overdeveloped standing army to be sent hither and thither on a whim. Ireland's close relationship with the USA would more than compensate for any dealings with the old foe.

Speaking of which, are you saying that it is more difficult for the Irish to forgive the British than it is for the British, French, Dutch, Belgians etc. to forgive Germany?

Of course, some people argue eire shelters under NATO's umbrella, but without contributing to it...
wagner
Shelters from who?what?.
Millfield Marksman
QUOTE (wagner @ Nov 6 2008, 19:13) *
Shelters from who?what?.


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