To survive in the current climate of the first division (and thats if we get promoted), do we stay part time and take our chances or go full time?

Unfortunately it didn't work for Stirling Albion who, in my opinion were far superior in the second division but then went on to fail in the first. Any thoughts?

Christ sake...

I'll take the option of leading the Second Division on more than goal difference.

When Raith win the league, they will move to Germany and play against the likes of Bayern Munich once more.

For christ sake! As has been sad lets get there first. We're not even into the 2nd half of the season. All this does is give fans of teams who take joy in seeing us fall due to petty differences take pleasure at being given ammo to suggest we are arrogant and think we are big time. We've played just over 1/3 of the season, still a long way to go yet. Let us get into first division before discussing these matters.

quote name='Paco' post='2892668' date='Nov 4 2008, 13:13']Christ sake...

I'll take the option of leading the Second Division on more than goal difference.[/quote]






This is all hypothetical ..... just something to talk about......

If Raith's claims of poverty are true then surely there is no way you could afford to go full-time?

Depends. Some teams might actually bring a half decent away support.

I'm not saying we've won the league, again I'm talking in "What ifs? ", being a Rovers man if Raith were to bepromoted from the second would they have to go full time to survive? Stirling for instance were a brilliant 2nd division team but failed miserably in the 1st. I was using Raith only as a matter of conjecture.

i think we should be leaving this kinda of talk until at least after the new year, IF we got promoted i think we would need to stay part time initally to see what kind of fan base and away support we would get and then assess it for the following season again IF we were there

Stupid topic, only going to fuel the hatred against us.

Well done....

surely you should take this to the first division board

What are Raith's options if they are taken over by an American oil billionairre, peace comes to the middle east, or indeed if Jesus makes his comeback?

Being a bit premature I know, but...

Edited to add...C'mon East Fife on Saturday

They have the following options:
1) Wake up, you're late for the Rovers v East Stirling wooden spoon race.
2) Take another swig of super lager, who knows where it will lead them?

Which would apply to all teams who get promoted from the 2nd division. The bump in finances that Stirling got last season wouldn't be significantly different to what that Rovers would get next year....hypothetically.

Yes you have a point - I think discussing it now might be a little premature and could arguably tempt fate and we don't want that do we?

ffs,you seemed to be infatuated by everything concerning the Rovers..Your not in the least bit amusing are becoming very tiresome.

Threads like this make me cringe.

They become an excuse for people like the russian to exercise their love of repetitive and vacuous one liners that pass for a sense of humour.

Or for Stevo to slap on his favourite horse photograph, jesus, the rate he goes with that fucking pic, anyone googling 'horse' will be drawn to about 600 different fucking threads on P&B

Nah, but other teams would bring more fans simply because it would make their teams existence have a point. A trip to Stark's PArk would bring meaning to their lives...this wouldn't happen with Albion without meaning offence to their club or supporters. We're simply too fucking massive.

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Fair enough.

I think some are being a bit hard on A Rover In Leeds, he's just thinking out loud and by no means can you extract from his post that he thinks we have already won the league.
If/When we do go up the BoD will take into account the increased amount of fans that will visit Starks Park and the fact that John McGlynn would need a bigger budget to have any chance of survival, which would be the primary concern. Dependant on those figures we may well see a 50/50 split between part-time and full-time players.

As has rightfully been said though, as good as we are looking at the moment there is a long way to go.

FFS

Is it not acceptable to talk hypothetically? It could be any team in the league - I only used Raith as yes I am a Raith man and yes they are in a prime spot right now however we all know that could change.

I think we're all being a wee bit harsh on the OP TBH. His question is maybe poorly worded but he doesn't seem to be declaring the league is over.

As for the actual question, IMO any team that gets promoted would be foolish to take a massive gamble on avoiding relegation and start handing out full time deals. The most sensible option (and no doubt the least popular amongst the fans) would be to work on the assumption that relegation was probable and to budget accordingly. Take the increased revenue and look to build over the next year or two.

I'm certainly not suggesting that the promoted club not try and survive, I would expect most clubs to strengthen a few key areas and hope that this would be enough for survival.

Edit - All of that is essentially what Andy.C said whilst I was typing.

Thanks Andy at least you get the point

rover in leeds = steven

Stop being so cautious guys - we will win the league this season, so it's something the club needs to think about and plan for.

brian reid is god = steven

Guess my orignal post could have been worded more appropiately - I was just thinking out loud

no hes not

Wouldn't worry about it mate. There's just a couple of posters on here who enjoy blowing the faintest hint of optimism from our side into misguided arrogance and triumphalism. This has led to a few Rovers boys being a bit touchy.

Then there are those persistently at the wind up like yon Stevo Fife. Don't worry though, most of PnB has had his mum.

Edit - grammtical; errors.

QUALITY!!!

Raith Rovers will win the league because every other team in the league frankly isn't good enough.

From there I envisage them dominating next season's 1st Division, much to the dismay of the dwindling numbers of Pars Fans.

From there I can see no reason why they can't compete in the Premier League, rubbing shoulders with the Glasgow Minnows and the Edinburgh Giants on their way to the Champions League the following year.

Meanwhile, in other Kingdom developments, East Fife will merge with Cowdenbeath and Oakley United will fill the gap in the SFL.

Wrong.

They're not actually going to make us play in the 1st. The league and whichever diddy team wins the league this year will accept that we should be in the SPL and allow us to skip up at the end of this season.

Shame, I thought he was an improvement on his normal attempts.

I'll indulge you a bit.

I think the two teams most capable of remaining in the First Division, should they be promoted, are Ayr and East Fife. This is a purely financial argument.

I've written off Raith as I think the situation with the stadium will debilitate them for a number of years to come and, as some may know, I don't rate the manager. I think Raith would be certainties for relegation.

Ayr is a tough one to call. It might be a benefit to us that it's our centenary year although the finances hang in the balance. We don't have any debt to third parties. Our attendances would likely improve and I'd expect there to be a number of decent travelling supports coming to our ground. It's still not certain how the stadium situation will affect us long-term, though, but I think if we got up we could make a decent attempt at surviving. Looking at how strong the division is, in comparison to ours, we'd have to improve dramatically however.

East Fife are still a bit of an unknown quantity. I reckon they'd have to bring in a decent manager before anything else, but if Gray decides to spend sufficient money and it is wisely directed then they might consolidate rather well.

I can't see Brechin doing any better than Stirling under any circumstances. O'Neil looks like he is doing a decent job but they just don't have the money to seriously compete.

In answer to the original question, I reckon Raith would need a better manager and should try and attract the best part-timers available. There will have to be more than a little luck in the transfer market.

You clearly are an oaf, if supporting Raith breed's hatred then you need to look at your sig. If that doesn't breed hatred then what does.

A source informs me that Kevin Smith will be making his loan permanent in January. Should give you the goals to win that division kiddies.

Get me some carrots!!!!

These are decent points although I'd argue a few with you.

The stadium situation is certainly not a positive on our side but we do know that for the next couple of years we have a reasoanbly stable home and stable minimum payments. I would argue that the situation regarding Ayr's stadium was far more precarious.

I'm not sure what it being your Centenary year has to do with anything?

As for your EF argument. EF are of the course the great unknown, if they get a new manager who signs players who aren't looking for their last decent deal and assuming that the finances stay available they might make a decent attempt at staying in the first. At the moment though, they'd be favourites for relegation.

Your a funny guy

You are right, I shouldn't have started this thread about Raith Rovers status in division one next sason.

It's amazing what one week at the top can do.

Ya ba heeds



MON THE AYR.

And yet Whistle Blower is continually telling us that Ayrs finances are worse than ours.

Now that Raith have been confirmed as champions, what are the panels thoughts on who will be worthy enough for the playoffs?

I've no doubt this thread will be dragged up if/when we f**k it up again.

Too early to early thinking about this just now really.

We don`t care

Good answer

I don't see how The Russian is "repetitive" as he hasn't used that line before.

It's hardly "vacuous" as it contains a number of allusions to footballing history.

One liners cannot pass for a "sense of humour". People have a sense of humour (or not, of course, as in your case).

Apparently it was me, i had the temerity to use the hated Raith word as my opening topic.

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Here`s a different one just for Renton

Apparently the helicopter is on its way to Starks Park with the trophy as we speak!