Correct, I'd much rather sing Hail Hail or You'll Never Walk Alone instead of this outdated rubbish. Unfortunately, I think I'm in the minority. Although some of the songs we sing have been incorrectly percieved as sectarian such as The Fields, I still think we should stick to songs about Celtic like Hail Hail and ones to get behind the team e.g. YNWA.

Really? How revealing.

Really? How revealing.

the british are the most blood soaked people in the history of man

Not as revealing as those pics you sent me by pm. You slag.

how is it that singing about the i.r.a is less acceptable than singing about the british empire.in 30 years the provos killed less than 1800 people.in the last 3 the british have been responsible for at least twice that aswell as being involved in the invasion of two sovereign nations.the british are the most blood soaked people in the history of man yet apologists for this brutal and inhuman empire get a pass.why? p.s not a provo,i would just like this double standard explained to me

how is it that singing about the i.r.a is less acceptable than singing about the british empire.in 30 years the provos killed less than 1800 people.in the last 3 the british have been responsible for at least twice that aswell as being involved in the invasion of two sovereign nations.the british are the most blood soaked people in the history of man yet apologists for this brutal and inhuman empire get a pass.why? p.s not a provo,i would just like this double standard explained to me

Angela in Celtic/Rangers/ sectarian/religious/ any wind up post she/he/it can think of shocker!!

I'll alert the media.

I am an SNP supporter. You won't find me defending the British Empire or supporting the Iraq War like the Celtic chairman John Reid. Let's not try and change the subject.

If you are not a Provo then why are you trying to defend Celtic fans chanting repeatedly

''Ooo Aaa Up the Ra, Ooo Aaa Up The Ra''

just asking you a simple question that you still haven't answered.

The mongols killed more than the brits.

*Ahem*

not true.the mongols weren't the destoyers that european legend would have you believe.they would in fact offer better terms to cities and towns than say the romans or persians.what of the millions of natives in north america,australia,ireland ,not to mention europe who died as a direct result of british aggresion and greed.the opium wars in china,the african concentration camps,the people of diego garcia,the indian subcontinent etc etc.i could go on and on as anywhere the british have went their avarice leads to death on a massive scale and the destuction of cultures. and your argument"well at least we weren't as bad as ghengis khan isn't much of onenow is it?

not true.the mongols weren't the destoyers that european legend would have you believe.they would in fact offer better terms to cities and towns than say the romans or persians.

what of the millions of natives in north america,australia,ireland ,not to mention europe who died as a direct result of british aggresion and greed.the opium wars in china,the african concentration camps,the people of diego garcia,the indian subcontinent etc etc.i could go on and on as anywhere the british have went their avarice leads to death on a massive scale and the destuction of cultures.

and your argument"well at least we weren't as bad as ghengis khan isn't much of onenow is it?

Not as revealing as those pics you sent me by pm. You slag.

in 30 years the provos killed less than 1800 people.in the last 3 the british have been responsible for at least twice that

similar to the the argument that "at least the provos arent as bad as the brits" one might say.

i could go on and on

have you never read a book?

I'm sure you will...

Any chance you could talk about the fitba'?

The mongols killed more than the brits.

Have you ever provided *proof* when asked?

Provided they surrendered, of course. Otherwise they generally razed the place to the ground. You also neglect to mention the fact that the British Empire was also perfectly capable of using diplomacy to achieve its ends. India, for example, was not subjugated en masse. The threat of force is sometimes as effective as force itself.
just like the romans.and in your view its not unacceptable to go ariut to make the claim that you do you'll have to give estimates of how many were killed by whom. Can you say that the Spanish and Portuguese were any less careless in South and Central America and their African colonies? How many of their own citizens were wasted in government action/inaction during the Soviet and Chinese famines.


I'll bet you'll use a similar one when reminded that the Empire forces knocking seven colours of shite out of the rest of the World included more than a few Irishmen happy to do the dirty work.

try read a few books not approved for the british curriculum.as for proof,if you don't believe what i said ,prove it wrong

so in you view its acceptable to go around threatening
natives to achieve your ends.terrorism anyone!and irishmen forced in to joining the british army to be used as cannon fodder because of bigotry and injustice at home

is hardly the same as people such as yourself,ardent apologists for empire and those that sent them out to do the "dirty work"

Can we leave off the ad hominem attacks here? *You* have made an assertion. I am merely asking you to back up your position. That's 1) hardly unreasonable and 2) not a knee-jerk denial of your claim.

forgive me,i misread the tone of your question

The *ahem* was a bit cheeky, I grant

Not as revealing as those pics you sent me by pm. You slag.

Cioahmin makes some very good points here. I find it extremely hypocritical that the British people are always quick to attack to organisations like the Irish Republican Army, al-qaeda, INLA, ETA etc. Whilst failing to ignore that respective British Governments have killed and maimed on a far bigger and brutal scale than any of the above named outfits.

Nothing like a sweeping generalisation, is there? Do you really think that the British people are united behind just one opinion?

Well the Government carrying out these terrible atrocities are still in power. Britain is a country governed by war criminals.

The British people who continue to attack the I.R.A and Al-Queda whilst having their heads buried in the sand should maybe waken up and look in the direction of 10 Downing Street if they are looking to berate terrorists.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/up-th-ra...fans/1142130580


Celtic fans, you should watch this video the whole way through. This is how your supporters still conduct themselves at away grounds. Does it make you proud?

The 2nd half of the video shows Celtic fans celebrating their Irish heritage at Fir Park in September 2008 by chanting their 'political support' for the Provisional IRA, a terrorist organisation which effectively disbanded a few years ago.

It is time to move on Celtic fans.

It is time to live in the 21st century and try and be the all-inclusive club that you have always claimed to be.

There is no place for this in Scottish football.

the british are the most blood soaked people in the history of man

I am an SNP supporter. You won't find me defending the British Empire

Britain is a country governed by war criminals.

Of course, you choose to support a football club, with a war criminal chairman.

Yes you are quite right John Reid is a war criminal along with the rest of Tony Blair's cabinet. A shameful part of Celtic's history that he is now associated with our club.

What I find ironic about both these posts is that Scots and Irish did very well out of the Empire in the 18th and 19th Century.

As Hiram Morgan said in this journal, "Far from empathising with indigenous people overseas the Irish were as brutal as any other white colonisers”

done well out of the empire?are you being intentionally stupid or are you really this dim?during the 18th century ,for no other reason than they were born catholics in their own country,irish people were practically outlaws,discriminated in every field.irish people who joined the british army did not do so out of love of empire,but desperation.fight or starve. it was also the century of the great hunger,are you suggesting we did well out of that are you?

Sorry, that's rubbish.

You're very quick to call people stupid. Is this to compensate for some inadequacy?

Lots of Irish people (and Scots too) served in the Empire - both as soldiers and administrators. There was also massive trade and industry that developed in Scotland and Ireland as a result of our Imperial expansion.

As a little example, in the case of the Amritsar massacre, the man in charge of British troops (Reginald Dyer) was the son of a brewer from Cork who'd been educated in Ireland. The lieutenant-governor of the Punjab was Michael O'Dwyer from Tipperary.

Like it or not, Ireland and Scotland played a significant role in the expansion of the British Empire.

all administrators were protestants as catholics were barred on account of the oath that was required.members of a foreign ruling class

Yes you are quite right John Reid is a war criminal along with the rest of Tony Blair's cabinet. A shameful part of Celtic's history that he is now associated with our club.

what do know,after emancipation a few catholics slipped through the cracks.

point taken on amritsar but it doesn't alter the fact that it was a british system they were operating under and not an irish one.where were the commands coming from to you think?tipp?kerry?dublin?

Ok thanks. Care to explain why and enlighten us with your humble opinion.