Firstly, well done on actually making a response to questions over your post on 8 October – it’s only been over two weeks.

So here was your original post:



You then repeat part of that claim yesterday:




I repeat what I said in response to your first post above, which you seem keen to ignore:

Marseille were not stripped of their 92/93 CL win. They were stripped of their French title that season, demoted a division and banned from defending the European Cup after it had emerged that they had fixed a league game against Valenciennes.

So, as I asked – Where do you get it that........

1 - That they were prosecuted for getting the referee to throw a group game against your lot (note: not a semi-final)
2 - That they were prosecuted for getting the referee to throw the final against Milan?
3 - That the trophy went to AC Milan?

I'm pretty sure the charges were that they had bribed match officials in French League and Cup games in the run up to their European games. Not the European games themselves.

You tedious git. Stop posting threads, I can't resist reading them and, without exception, they're always boring.

Couldn't this be kept on the original thread?

In this instance glasnost is quite correct.

This is a claim that has been made by the wider echelons of Hunnism, not just WATP and too often goes unchecked.

An urban myth has been allowed to grow whereby it is now claimed that Rangers were cheated out of a CL final, which is utter bollocks.
It is quite similar to the other favourite bullshit claim that Ryan Giggs chose Wales over england.

Didn't Marseille try to bribe Hately? Who knows who else they tried to bribe (and succeeded with) on their way to the final.

It was a tainted victory anyway, it will always have a question mark over it.

You mean Glasnost hasn't already closed this thread in a hissy fit?

I'm impressed

I usually am correct.

I am intrigued as to why the hun poster who made the remarks continues to do so, even after it has been pointed out several times, including by his fellow huns, that what he is saying doesn’t appear to be the case.

Tony Cascarino,hardly a friend of Rangers, has admitted openly that Marseille players were ALL given performance enhancing drugs.

The referee for the Rangers v Brugges game sent off Hately,meaning he missed the game at the Velodrome,before this game Marseille said they feared 1 Rangers player and that was Hately. To this day that is the softest sending off i have seen in professional football. I was in the West Enclosure that night and it was a matter of yards away from me. It was Hately who was held in a headlock and all he did was free himself!!

CSKA Moscow players talked openly of being offered bribes by Marseille officials but this was never fully investigated. Marseille beat them 6-0!! Rangers in 180 minutes managed to score 1 goal against that same Moscow team and that was a deflected Ian Ferguson shot in Bochum!!

Nothing i have said is 'Urban Myth'...Nothing was proved against Marseille that season as UEFA did not investigate any of the claims against the French!! Even when Milan pushed for an enquiry it was turned down..Milan also asked for the chance to play Rangers for the Cup and it was turned down. Makes you wonder just how high Tapies influence went!!

To be fair, WeAreThePeople is about fourteen years old or something and at that stage of thinking that he knows it all. I'm sure that he'll grow out of it.

Aren't all players given PED's?

You must surely have seen a harsher red card than Hateley's? He raised his hands and pushed a guy in the face. It was harsh, I'll grant you, but I think you over-exaggerate.

I think what he meant was it was the harshest red card he's ever seen given out to a Rangers player, which is something calibrated on a very different scale, particularly in the domestic game.

It was recently admitted by Porto that they bribed the ref when they beat Aberdeen in the 1984 ECWC semi-finals, but the Dons fans don't claim that this entitles them to declare themselves "virtual finalists" for that year.

Are you sure it wasn't the ref from the Roma v Dundee Utd 1984 European Cup Semi Finalsemi final? I am sure Roma officials admitted they had bribed the officials for that game. In fact i am pretty sure they were done by the authorities for this and other offences.

As for Hateleys red card..The Brugge player had him in a head lock and he broke free..he never pushed him in the face. It was in the chest but Stanneas(sp?) went down holding his face..The referee was no more than 10 yards away and i still cant believe he booked him never mind red carded him!! As far as the harshest Red Card i have seen...Well i suppose Rod Wallace being given a straight Red at the Piggery for getting back to his feet after being shoved to the ground then having the audacity to stand his ground while a Celtic player ran into him. David Robertsons Red Card after 6 minutes in a semi final for a body check on the halfway line against Celtic is probably worse as well.

As i said UEFA had no intention of looking too closely into Marseille and the 1992-93 European Cup run. We will never know now what really did or did not happen.

Edit to add...Found this on the Dundee United v Roma game. I am pretty sure they have the year wrong as i think they won the 1983 league so it must have been 1984 European Cup....

1986 - UEFA bars Roma from their competitions for a season and president Dino Viola from UEFA activities for four years after he tried to bribe a European Cup referee in a semi-final game against Dundee United in 1982. Roma won 3-0 and 3-2 on aggregate.

I read it in a newspaper article a few years back, about the time of Seville as well as seeing it appear in an article online. I can put my hand up and say I didn't delve any deeper into checking out the truth of the stories, after seeing it twice. Also from the great Mark Hately, who was also offered a "bung" to pull out of the tie with Marseille, which he didn't do.

Having now done a bit of scowering on the net, I do realise what I said was wrong, but the bung offered to Hately isn't.

That Hateley quote cannot be genuine. It doesn't contain the word 'er' or 'um'.

Hately was suspended for the game at the Velodrome. We will never know the truth of what happened that year. I remember 1 thing...Rangers might not have had the best players they have ever had but Smith had a great 'Team'. It is all ifs and buts now though...If Pressley (making his European debut i think) had not got in the mix up with Goram at Ibrox over the new pass back rule and let in Voeller we would have won that game and therefore got to the final...If the referee had not blown for full time as durrant (i think it was him) was running in on goal 1 on 1 with Barthez we would have made the final. We had our chances but it wasn't to be

A great night home and away to Marseille though, both games I look back on fondly, even if the result wasn't what we hoped for.

Two good performances put in by the team, home and away.

unbelieveable to think that we were undefeated in europe that whole year but didnt win it

fishy goings on or not i still look back on that time and love every minute of it

always remember trever steven hitting the bar against the russians at ibrox and thats when you realised the gods werent on our side that night

was in tears after game seeing gough walking about with blood pissing out his head and everything

players gave it all that year

Did we not lose again against one of the Danish teams before the Leeds match? But it was still a fantastic performance to get as far as we did. Something that will stay in our hearts forever.

However come to think of it I think we actually won the away leg 1-0. Was it Brondby or Lyngby?

Played Lyngby, won 2-0 and 1-0. Played Leeds, won 2-1 and 2-1.

Groups.

Played Marseille, 2-2 and 1-1. Played CSKA Moscow, 1-0 0-0. Played Club Brugge 1-1 2-1.

Marseille beat Club Brugge 3-0 and 1-0, beat CSKA Moscow 6-0 and drew 1-1.

For me though, the 0-0 home draw with CSKA Moscow was the game we threw it away. We should never have dropped points at home.

Agreed.

Was there not talk in the Scottish press at the time about the ref for the marseille v cska moscow game being corrupt or was that just a rumour?

CSKA Didn't matter. We were relying on Marseille dropping points as well that night against Brugges. I remember when the rumour started that Brugges had beaten them...every shot hit the Moscow keeper,woodwork or flew narrowly wide. I didn't cry at the game with my mates there...i was just numb. Getting home that night and sitting myself in my living room when it sunk in how close we had been..quite a few tears were shed. Walking out of Ibrox my mate turned and said 'f**k it big man there is always next year' but i knew that was our 1 chance and it will never come again.

Oh right, so you are telling me that two sources reported that Marseille were prosecuted for getting the referee to throw a group game against your lot, that they were prosecuted for getting the referee to throw the final against Milan and that the trophy went to AC Milan.

And pigs might fly as they say.

And to think on the thread that you made your wild fabrication you said:









We have no idea if this happened or not.

even if we had beaten the russians at ibrox it wouldnt have mattered because the 6 marseilles put past them effectively won them the group

funny how the russians complained after the game of feeling unwell having all ate the same dinners.

they lost more goals in that game than in the rest of the euro campaign i think

but as they say its in the past, lest just remember how we were the last scottish team to go undefeated in a whole european campaign.

never ever happen again

Aberdeen went undefeated in season 1994/95 as did Dundee United in season 2005/06 and the diet huns in 1996/97.

The Porto thing came out a couple of years ago. The ref admitted he had been bribed, though in the event it didn't affect the outcome - I heard it discussed on Radio Scotland and Willie Miller conceded that there were no contentious calls over the two legs (ie Porto didn't even need a bent ref, as they were too good anyway).

Tapie was a crook, but he did help fund candidates to defeat Jean Marie Le Pen, so trying to thwart the ambitions of loathsome right-wing thugs was obviously a recurrent theme in his life.

Ahh old Jean Marie. I remember after a French election the BBC went to a small French village where Le Penn had received 100% of the vote...They couldn't get 1 person to admit that they had voted for him . The French..you gotta love them!!

ha ha busted

Let's be fair, lads, if Mark Hateley said in the Daily Retard, about 15 years after the event, that he was offered a bung, it must be true!

There are a lot of commas in that sentence, and I'm not sure that they should all be there.

Yip I remember it as well as I nearly died laughing at Gough, rankers, their fans, trevor steven and everything remotely connected with rankers.

Just like we were pissing ourselves laughing at your mob on Helicopter Sunday, those fans in the stand all crying at 90 minutes.