Doesn't seem to be a proper game thread so might as well start one up.

1st half was shocking from a Dundee point of view. County had a spell of pressure and scored then just seemed to stay on top right through to the end of the half and got another goal.

Rae tried to change it at half time, Pozniak moved back to central defence and he went back to his usual 4-4-2. Curier came on did more than Deasley who he replaced but not a great deal. He took his goal well as we scored out of nothing. We never looked like scoring again.

Towards the end of the game when we should have been throwing everything at County i don't think we had a chance. We punted it forward a couple of times, Dodds had a shot just wide but i don't think Bullock made a save apart from the one from Davidson early on in the match.

Edit cause i forgot to say -

I thought Daal and Craig were very good this afternoon. Daal didn't look like scoring but got on the end of headers and worked hard all day up front. Craig took his goal so well and gave Rab no chance.

County looked a team full of confidence something we are badly lacking and were well worth their win.

45 minutes is a "spell"?

I never said that, read the whole bit you quoted. "County had a spell of pressure and scored" i said, then i said they went on to stay on top until half time.

You weren't on top for the full half but you were for the majority and whole time after you scored the first, just like i said before.

Thought Ross County completely deserved their win - 2nd goal was a bit special. Dominated us in the first half - midfield slog in 2nd. Bollocks from us.

However, wehre are dundee gonna get a win if they can't beat shite like this on their own patch? Looks like we are play off bound at this rate if not worse.

However, what did fellow dees make of the thing before the game. In view of events across the road - i shuddered when their was a banner on the pitch truly hoping it said nothing about the man who hated dundee fc. Thankfully it didn't.

Also, i was glad to have the minute applause to actually allow me to pay my respects by sitting on my hands.

Not long back from the game.
I know Dundee have not been recording any wins of late, but I must admit to being a bit surprised at how poor they were today.
Holding the banners up pre-match to the fans was a bit wierd - we couldn't read them but it appeard that the banners were thanking the fans for their support.. which seemed well received by the fans.

Although as mentioned Dundee were poor in the first half, but they actually had the best chance after just a few minutes, but when clean through the shot was hit against Bullock's legs.

County then went onto dominate the first half, Poor defending at the first goal, Dowie getting a free header at the back post from a corner. The second goal was a bit special, a quick turn, and shot of the underside of the bar. I think that's 7 goals in 8 games for Seven Craig.

The applause of the Dundee fans pre-match were now boooooo's and after only 30 minutes following every County attack the boos to the dundee were defening. Which made a jittery dundee defence even worse !

County had two other chances to score (both free headers) but both were put wide.

After the break though Dundee improved a bit. Antoine Courier did well with his goal, burst into the box and low shot under Bullock. But although they had chances after that I think the only other shot on goal was a 30 yards free kick.

County were quite happy to sit back and hit on the break, and had a couple of other chances, another Craig free header put over the bar this time.
But Strachan, Hart, Daal and Higgins all wasted good opertunities.

Delighted with the three points tonight !

A great win from our point of view, and a fairly comfortable one. Our forwards played well, and I thought Daal was particularly useful. His touch was better today than the previous league match with Morton, and made a nuisance of himself all day. Cracking finish from Craig for our second goal too, and perfectly timed.

Naturally there were some nerves in the County crowd after the eventual consolation was scored, but as even the Dundee fans have said, they didn't create anything of note before or after that. We shaded both halves and were worth the three points. I'll sleep well tonight.

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You know Dundee remind me so much of the Pars last year

Once you get dragged down there you find it really difficult to get outta the fight

Good luck to you because, despite the players on paper you have your results are going to get you into severe trouble

Rob

Dundee's squad is average, certainly not streets ahead of any in this league.

All respect to County but we should not be 8th in this league. Rae - i've sytood up for hm many a time so dont accuse me of anything- should not be there tonight, he's an embarrassment and turned us into more of a laughing stock than Kernaghan and thats sayin something.

Who the f**k would take on this job right now? Juande Ramos? might get himself a win!(doubt it tho) but in all seriousness i'm ashamed to be a Dee today

You are 6 points off the lead, you tart!

What f'cking morons football supporters are

Alex Rae has held your club together over the last few years. Without him you would find yourselves mid-table in the second division and, looking at the state of your finances, you wouldn't look too out of place either.

Just like we thought we were too good to go down... what you think dosn't matter! The table doesn't lie!

And only 5 points ahead of 10th.

Go figure.

Dundee have failed to score on a regular basis, and have managed only 6 in the league so far. A team that only scores 6 goals in 10 games does not deserve to be any higher than 8th place.

Having been at both the County-Dundee games this season I don't agree with that statement one bit.
The first game of the season was a bizarre result, County dominated the game yet lost 2-1. Even after the game your own boss admitted you were lucky to get three points. The problem in that game from our point of view was we couldn't score.. It was a wake up call to us after the free scoring season we had last year in Division 2.

Since then it's Dundee that have failed to score regularly.

Yesterday's game was a gain dominated by County. The first 45 minutes was pretty much one way traffic with the exception of the first 5-10 minutes. The second half was a bit more even, but Dundee still rarely tested Bullock. While Rab Douglas was called into action several times in both halves.

So on results so far this season (and from the games I've seen of them) I think Dundee fully deserve to be in 8th place in this league !

How arrogant is that post?

I dunno, you tell me....

Now heres a wee hint for you. Re-read his post, and you'll see that he quite clearly states " All respect to Ross County". Nobody at the game yesterday would deny that you didnt deserve your win, and prob 2-1 flattered us considerably.

Obviously dee-lighted with the result.
No team has a given right to be up at the top, Dundee might have a long and proud history, but that counts for nothing in a league where every team can beat each other. It comes down to expectations I suppose. Ours is just staying in this league which I think is realistic. Other teams might expect promotion which perhaps is un realistic.
After a bit of a shaky start we are beginning to get our act together now and stringing a few results together and scoring goals along the way.

Which is one of those phrases like "to be fair" which usually means the opposite.

And that's besides the point. I was referring to the part that he says Dundee should never be in this position ("8th place in this league"), a sentence indicative in itself, and conveniently ignoring the fact that Dundee are a whopping six whole points of the top.

They shouldnt! We were up there, until managerial incompetance + injuries to vital players + Clowns picking up a wage with no intention of ever playing for the club leading to a run of terrible results.

There are no excuses. WE SHOULD NOT BE IN 8th PLACE (And that is in no way meantt to be disrespectful to other clubs/fans), and I for one am not willing to accept it. Our club is fast becoming a shambles from top to bottom. A laughing stock.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH I'm afraid.

I think Dundee are probably missing Kevin McDonald and Scott Robertson more than they thought they would. McDonald was a class act and a huge blow to lose him whilst Robertson was also a big player for them. When you look at it their replacements have been Darren Young and Colin Cameron who have probably managed 1 game between them so far due to injury. It was a gamble by Rae to sign the pair of them, Young especially and it's backfired.
Added to that Curier and McMenamin who were scoring plenty last season have struggled this time, their own form may not be great but they aren't getting the same service that they were last year and now Curier has it all to do on his own. McMenamin before he got crocked was struggling but he needs service, he wont create things for himself he needs chances put to him on a plate.

They have a decent squad but losing McDonald and Robertson was always going to be hard, saying that they should still be doing bettet than they are and I think the next 2 games will decide Raes future, anything less than 4 points against Morton and Airdrie and he will be gone.

Arrogant???

Sorry for supporting my team, We are the biggest team in this league with the biggest history so i'm entitled to be pissed off. I've nothing against Ross County, i even support them 4 times a season but until you've been in the same situation as Dundee do not call me arrogant

in what way ???? height? weight?? coz it certainly aint points total!!

Uh-huh. Don't go reacting now.

i was actually going to say I thought St J was bigger in my initial post

Then we'd know for sure that you were an idiot.

Successful history and size of support.

Maybe and Dundee are obviously a bigger club but since the sides swapped leagues in 1990, there has been nothing between them in terms of ability and we've arguably achieved more. I think I'm right in saying Dundee are the opposition we've played the most times at McDiarmid, so why do the Dees have more of a right than Saints, for example, to win this league? Considering Dundee are a bigger club, it's a sad reflection on them that we have a better stadium, better youth system and are much, much better run.

PS - How did Deasley play yesterday?

He was on about size Radders, which is a no-brainer. Your right however, that it is a sad reflection that Saints have been better managed than us for several years now, and have better training facilties etc, along with other incomes etc.

You however had a lucky break when you moved from Muirton, and into McDiarmid, which has seen you alright financially. And lucky too, as your crowds over the years would have seen you really struggling for money.

On the other hand, we have been run by successive buffoons, who have tried to live the dream, outwith our means. And now we really, really could be fucked big time.

Deasley played ok yesterday, but was hooked at half time. Didnt help with our total lack of ideas and creativity resulting in route one stuff to a guy that is 5ft 6" at most!

It wasn't the move that made us a secure but the facilities constructed at the stadium. Dundee renovated their ground in the late nineties but built two shells at either end, when with a bit of foresight they could have added something that would generate some income and help pay the stands off.

I actually posted something a few months ago that shows the arguement about our crowds doesn't stack up. Since the move to McD, our average crowd over that time has been 4,052. Over the same period, Dundee's average attendance has been 5,561. Hardly a massive gulf. Our average didn't dip below 3,000 until our relegation in 2002. We won the league in 1989/90 with an average of 5,866 and then again in 1996/97 with 4,468, a season in which Dundee's average dipped below 3,000.

You moved to McDiarmid when? About 20 years ago wasn't it?

You don't think 1,500 people a game representing the better part of £10k - £15k a game which is between £200k and £300k a season over 20 years or so is "massive"? I do.

The only time you get over 4000 for a league game is when Dundee come to visit. FFS.

Yeah your right. And the only time you get over 5000 is when Saints come to visit

It is arrogant. Previous history means feck all when it comes to current results.

Biggest Team in the league ?? I am sure a few other teams will debate that one with you. St. Johnstone, Dunfermline to name a couple. I'm sure the only thing you club have that is bigger than theirs is your level of debt !

I'm not going to start an argument that County are "bigger" as there is no way to define a big club.

As for the comment "but until your in the same situation" well we were in the same situation two years ago ! At that point we had been in the league for 6 seasons and felt as though we were an established first division team, and must admit that throughout the season we felt we were too good to go down. But we did !
So you don't need to explain to us the situation. Many of our fans (me included for a while) had expectations that were too high for the team we had on the park.. Our problem that season was we couldn't score goals, we didn't loose many games but had something like 15 draws in the season..... And to be honest from where I am looking it is very similar to how Dundee have played this year.. Only difference being Clyde and Morton are doing their best to keep behind you !

Thats another reason why we are fooked....playing against tiny teams like yourself with an away support of 67. FFS East Stirling brought more through.

No it's not.

Its one in a long list of many.

67 fans ? Never counted to be honest although I thought there was more.. Not surprised though with the cost of games at Dens Park coupled with the draconian style stewards/police in Tayside a lot of fans simple don't want to go.
Not that we have the biggest of away supports anyway.. But then every away game is at least 2.5 hours . I set off at 7.15am yesterday morning and never got home until around 9.30pm and didn't have much change out of £100 for the two of us.

Anyway getting away from that, why is it the fault of 'Tiny' Ross County that your team is crap ? Maybe it's more to do with the fact that only 3000 of the massive Dudee support turns up each week ?

Were you there yesterday ? Were you in Dingwall in August ??

Would there be 3000 County fans at Victoria park, if you were in the same situation as us, and playing as gash. I dont think so.

Enough is enough. Dundee fans are starting to vote with their feet - I said at the start of the season that I didnt reckon our attendances wouldnt drop much below 4000. They havent until recently. Yesterday was quite apparent how many fans are so pissed off, that they aint bothering turning up.

I doubt it, we got just over 3000 when we won the league last year !

The point I was making was it's not our fault your team is gash.. It's more to do with the home fans that don't turn up therefore not giving the club money/support.

One thing I did notice at yesterday's game was when 1-0 down the Dee fans were booing following every attack County mustered, and that simply made the already jittery dundee defence worse...

I actually quite enjoyed laughing at how nervous they were for the last 20 minutes of the first half.. then they started arguing amongst themselves, the Rae started arguing with the officials when the only thing they did wrong all afternoon was award County a goal kick that should have been a corner to dundee.


And while we're at it. I don't think I've ever heard a team booed back onto the pitch for a second half before yesterday

The perfect way to get right behind your team and support them !

Its totally stupid to blame anyone else but ourselves. Most clubs in this division would love to have a support of our numbers - Unfortunately for us, our financial situation depends on it more than anyone else.

It wouldnt surprise me if about 67 Dees bother going to Greenock on Sat.

Yes I was there yesterday and it was so bloody awful I counted the away support to pass the time..........and there were between 60 to 80 people in the away end.

Oh, yay! Another crowd debate! If it helps you forget about what's happening on that big green bit, you knock yourself out.

There's going to be at least 2 there.

No matter what I think of the management team, so long as it's practical for me to go to an away game (i.e. time and money) I'll be there.

Well I am delighted with this result but not surprised. We have a decent record against Dundee IMO and I thouht that we would get the 3 points.

Dundee are in the same position as Tottenham in a sense, a fairly "big" team in the league that are underperforming. However, there is still plenty of time for them to pick up points. We have already seen that a win coming from nowhere can give a team confidence a put them on a run, County have done this already.

Also, Dundee fans should be getting behind their team not running away from them.

Good on ye. I'd go if I could afford it. (Its a long trip from Moray) Besides, I'm working anyway.

a sensible post, you also must be lost. this board is usually bookmarked for frothing dundee haters. i think you should edit using words like junkies,tramps,scummy and/or sectarianism.

"Junkies, Tramps and Bigots".

Set to be Christmas number 1 on the west coast.

I don't think it's representative of a gulf that would mean we were "really struggling for money" and Dundee weren't, which was the original suggestion. I should have broken it down more as the averages between 1989/90 (move to McDiarmid) and our relegation in 2002 were 4,686 for St Johnstone and 5,584 for Dundee. Maybe you'll still think that's a massive gulf but again for me, not nearly enough to merit a comment that we would have been "really struggling for money" and Dundee wouldn't.

Reading it again, maybe Al's comments related to our crowds in the latter days of Muirton. There's no denying we wouldn't have been able to compete with Dundee over the past 20 years without the ground move but then it's up to a bigger club like Dundee to move with the times as well and they haven't. Half their (although even that's debatable) ground is still like something out of the 70s or 80s.

half of your ground sells food and the other sells clothes.