BOYD CANNOT PLAY FOOTBALL, HE CANT BEAT A MAN 1 ON 1 HE HAS NO SKILL ON THE BALL. BUT BY CHRIST CAN HE SCORE A GOAL EXEPTIONAL FINISHER AND THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE STARTING FOR RANGERS AND SCOTLAND EVERY TIME. GOALS WIN GAMES SIMPLE. BURLEY IS OFF HIS HEAD WHAT WAS HE THINKING ON SAT, DISGRACE. I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT BOYD HAS DONE.

McCoist was murder.

Kris Boyd is the best natural striker Scotland have.

he a natural finisher yeh, big big miss to scotland.

You must be as juvenile as Boyd, a big jessie!

Fantastic. Another Kris Boyd thread. What we really need is another Alan Hutton thread too.

how is boyd being juvenile?

he quit because he felt there was no point in him turning up with virtually no chance of getting a game thus taking him away from training at murray park. surely this would help his cause at rangers rather that fannying about loch lomond for a week listening to a incompetent george burley?

No need to use caps

in other words, he trew the toys out of the pan, and spat the duummy well and truely out.

Tell me, will he now quit rangers as he is'nt getting a game there either? He could'nt bare the idea of knuckling down and training harder at Rangers or for Scotland. Theres no doubt the boy has talent, but unless you're going to work hard and train hard, then it's wasted talent.

The greats of todays game didn't get there by pure talent alone, they worked hard to perfect thier technique, and then harder to stay on top of the game.....I think Kris has been listening to all the plaudits he gets and is beliveing his own hype.

What plaudits? I can't think of a more under-rated player at Rangers. He scores goal after goal after goal (from all over the pitch, with both feet and with his head) - something like 74 goals in 110 games, yet all he gets is dropped to the bench for a muppet like Darkieville, and Ibrox hoards calling for him to be sold. He's so undervalued it's not real.

Thats the problem, his record suggest a different player to what you get. He is IMO one of the most overrated players at rangers. He only scored 2 goals from open play since March this year was an unused sub for 13 of Rangers 17 games in Europe last season.

Smith is no mug, he's taken Rangers far and did wionders with Scotland. But if he feels that he can't play Boyd agaisnt Celtic or a European side for whatever reaseon than surely it can be said that he is not capable of playing international football. Boyd will score agaisnt lesser side, but put him an even game, or agaisnt slightly better opponenets and he goes missing more often than my door keys.

You have a lot more faith in Sir Smiffy than I do. He encourages his teams to get wasted together, then gets a reputation for being a great guy for building team spirit. I honestly think Smith makes life a lot harder for himself by continuing to play Darkieville or even McCulloch at al, let alone ahead of Boyd.

edited to add; he's already scored the goal of the season, which kind of queries the idea that he has no ability other than toe pokes around the 6 yard box.

The fact that Kris Boyd has only scored two goals from open play is neither here nor there. For a start since March there has been the summer break, and also, how many goals from non-open play (presumably closed play?) has he scored? And do those goals not count?

And the one time Smith did throw Boyd in against Celtic he, would-you-believe-it, bloody well went and scored.

Big deal, he was deemed not good enough to start the game, nor good enough for the others. Or do we now pick players on what the may do rather than form.

Well I can think of three he's scored off the top of my head and I try to pay as little attention to what Rangers are doing as possible.

People want it both ways - they argue that Smith and Burley independently overlook him, but Burley admitted that he basically left him out because Smith does.
The evidence of him actually flopping in big games is thin, so people just choose to invest startling amounts of faith in the judgement of two managers who are spectacularly negative and spectacularly clueless respectively.

That's the way Scotland have been playing the game for years. McFadden, for example, certainly wasn't picked on saturday because of his dazzling club form.

Boyd SHOULD be a regular starter for club and country. He is the best natural finisher since McCoist and his record is phenomenal. People in British football (and more in particular, in Scottish football) have this perception that players must work hard to earn their place. But for me, forwards are on the pitch to score goals, not to run about and hassle and put in a shift, yes if he could add this to his game it would help him but the fact is Boyd will win us games with the amount of goals he scores.

However, throwing his toys out of the pram after only 3 competitive games is just sheer stupidity. If he's not happy about not starting games why is he still at scumbrox? Seems to me he's looking for an easy exit.

Must as like boyd, to class him in the same bracket as McCoist is sacrilege. McCoist scored all types of goals, had the ability to link up play. And despite rarely playing 88-91 was first pick for Rangers for 15 years and won a great number of caps for Scotland. The guy was a top class forward.

Boyd is a good goalscorer no more no less. He's good enough to get in the Scotland team and the Rangers team because they dont have anyone else.

This "Boyd is the best finisher since..." stuff is rubbish, if you actually watch him his finishing is poor. The reason he scores so many is because of his remarkable instinct for being in the right position.

What also annoys me is that when people defend Boyd they say "people say all he does his scored goals as if that's some sort of criticism". No they don't, what people say is that he isn't good enough to score against high quality opposition. Bringing up his goals record means nothing, lets bring up Kenny Deuchar's goal record which is probably superior to Boyd's, why not play him?

He won't be missed. He doesn't get a game anyway.

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Granted, he's had none of Mccoist's longevity and probabaly won't achieve it. What made Mccoist impressive was that he saw off so many challengers despite being out of favour for a spell, suffering a bad injury and playing for a club capable at the time of attracting some of the best talent in the UK, if not Europe.

Whilst accepting that a comparison is pointless for the reasons above though, I'd actually say that Boyd can certainly score all types of goals. In fact I think he's rare in that for a prolific scorer of 'striker's goals' he also weighs in with his share of beauties, and we can probably all think of a couple of recent examples.

Indeed, we only have to look at the Partick Thistle game in which Boyd scored what will be the goal of the season. I don't think Boyd is any less of a goalscorer than McCoist, he's just significantly less mobile. Boyd could match McCoists goalscoring records if he plays.

Well that's a daft point isn't it?
As you well know, Deuchar has scored nearly all of his goals in the lower leagues.
Whilst it's impossible to say that Boyd has ripped Europe's finest defences to shreds, it's equally hard to suggest that any other Scotsman has done the same. Boyd has however scored stacks of goals in the domestic game when playing for both a 'smaller' SPL team and one of the big guns.

Seriously, you would think from reading some of the drivel on here that the man would enjoy a better reputation had he scored fewer goals.

Also, even if he isn't the best 'finisher' in the way you define it, his "remarkable instinct for being in the right position" is a priceless gift that a country like ours simply should not be overlooking, either through bone headed choice or as now, through being forced to.

Boyd will score goals against second rate teams but not the top ones, he reminds me of the Doctor when he was at Gretna: lots of goals against dross but not up to top level football against better defenders and useless team player.

Did the good Doctor not get a couple at Ibrox last season?

Anyway, the point remains that he doesn't score against top sides for the same reason that you and I don't - he's not on the field.
It really all comes down to whether you think that alone proves he's incapable of ever doing so. Burley thinks that's the case, as do you and others.
I and plenty others think he might well do and feel that it's unwise to keep denying him opportunities at the expense of people far less "proven".

The free kick he scored in the cup final was unreal!

EDIT - He only got one from open play that day, so when was the other?

They're not what you'd call a top team but he did score against Ukraine last year and they're a lot better than than Norway or any other team in our group outside Holland.

It doesn't matter who he'll play against, give him a chance and he'll score. If Burley had the brains to stick him on the park on saturday he not only would've scored that chance but he would've been on the end of Broadfoot's brilliant cross in the last 5 mins that nobody, rather inexcusably, got close to.

That pretty much sums it up.

He wasn't played in a lot of the away games simply because we stuck one up front trying to play a defensive game and spock a goal. Boyd just doesn't play the running aimlessly about gig that Miller or McFadden would do. He is not a particularly mobile striker and he never will be. But there isn't a player in our country that can read an attacking move and anticipate where a ball is going to be played like him. That can't be coached, that's an instinct. The best instinct in the game of football.

In a home game where we are playing two up front he should always have been one of the two. It's utter stupidity not too. And I would question the one up front nonsense homeor away as well, thats down to a manager shitting himself rather than doubts over a players talents. It can be an attacking way to play the game if you have good players. But we don't have good players.

Agree with the sentiment, but he didn't score against the Ukraine.

The boy is juvenille because he took the easy way out. Instead of proving everyone wrong he throws his toy out the pram. A total waste of space.

It's not at all. It's showing how pointless goal scoring stats are unless you show who he has scored against. For Kilmarnock and Rangers, whilst he has been prolific, he hasn't scored against any decent sides. For Scotland he has scored against the Faroe Islands twice, Bulgaria reserves twice in the Kirin Cup, Lithuania, Georgia and South Africa. All poor sides who don't have the same quality of defenders as Norway.

Now whether Boyd should have been given the chance to prove himself against better teams is debateable. But to say Boyd should be playing because he is a "proven goalscorer" is pish because he is a completely unproven goalscorer at that level. Which is where my Kenny Deuchar comparison comes in. It's more about who you score against, than how many you score.

10 competative games for Scotland 4 goals

At Killie 23 games against old firm 2 goals

At Rangers 4 games against Celtic 1 goal

10 games in Europe 2 goals

Hardly prolific in the big games!!!

Yes, less prolific than he is generally, but you'd expect that. The above figures actually still aren't too damning. Not many players for non OF teams have scored tons against them, which is why it's notable when the St mirren guy scores against Rangers last week that he's scored against Celtic in the past too.
One goal against Celtic in four attempts (are these all starts by the way?) is no disgrace during a period when Celtic have had the upper hand. And how did players of genuine class like Laudrup and Gascoigne perform in Europe?

I say again that the fact that this guy has such an astonishing goalscoring record is being used to beat him up - it's bonkers.

Keep saying he is or would be rubbish against better sides though - it might make it true.

As I said in the Kris Boyd thread in the Rangers v Celtic forum -



Edit to add, any comparison with Ally McCoist is way off the mark. McCoist could score all types of goals, against any opposition. He had pace, a good touch and could link the play well. Boyd will never be a fraction of the player McCoist was if he lives to be 1000.

that much of a waste of space that when watty is struggling and needs a goal he throws boyd on to rescue the situation. the fact is with 10 minutes to go against Norway he should have been put on infact he should have been on from the start. these are all points that the manager has to answer and he isnt doing that very gracefully is he? he is judged on results and right now we are toiling big time and after the midweek results a win against norway would have been a massive boost to our qualifying. burley got it wrong its as simple as that.

im of the opinion that at 4-5-1 is not the way for us to go. although burley claims it was 4-3-3 it was clearly never working like that and also we didnt have a out an out striker on the f'n park which i think everyone will agree was very wrong. fddy cant play the lone striker role and like boyd doesnt have the pace or stamina to do it as proved when he came off he looked burst.

some nugget previously stated that boyd was lucky to have the gift of being in the right place at the right time. is that not a bit like saying tiger woods is lucky to be shit hot at golf

Here's an important question for you to find out. How many times has Boyd scored when he has came on as a sub?

i dont actually no and i cant be arsed finding out

even if it is a low number it still shows that the managers know he is a goalscorer and when they need a goal they turn to him, except if you are george burley and trying to wreck a qualifying campaign of course

HERE! HERE!

LOL how does that show that managers know he is a goal scorer!!! We needed a goal against st miren did he score no. We needed goals against Celtic towards the end of the season did he score no. Not to mention the last game of the season. Kanus this season did he get the goal we needed no.

Watching him every week I don't have too many memories of him scoring after coming on as a sub.

I don't know the answer, but I heard a suggestion from a Rangers fan earlier that it's not happened often.

So Start him!

your missing the point

they are putting him on because he has the best chance of scoring, uou cant tell me your happy with kenny miller running about daft all game but not scoring. goals win games

IMO give him a run of 6-7 games then judge him

in 8 appearences this season he has 4 goals (2 of which were pens)

Kenny miller has the same but none of his goals have been pens. Miller has also set up a few goals for others. Think this show who I'd rather have.

ok point well made

not sure come christmas you will be of the same feelings however

For all the people decrying Boyd for not scoring in 'big' games....exactly how many of ex Colchester player Iwleumos 6 games this season were 'big' games ?
You can tart it up all you like but leaving Boyd on the bench was a ridiculous decision which deserves to be highlighted. If you have the two best goalscores on the bench for the last 15-20 mins of a game you need to win and decide instead to have 2 untried players, one a journeyman picked on the basis of 6 games worth of form who hadnt played any football for 3 weeks, then you will have to accept criticism. The most galling thing is that Burley has not even accepted his errors which are blindingly obvious to anyone. He even has the gall to claim that he is bring 'attacking' football to the table whilst we cannt score against the likes of NI, Macedonia and Norway ffs.

i agree. i would have alot more respect for the man if he was honest enough to admit his mistakes

In this respect, there really is a lot of Vogts about him.
The only thing right now that's making me as angry as the performances, is the dismissive, insulting crap he's coming out with afterwards.

He's either an idiot or he thinks we are.