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The Shadow
How do you think they performed yesterday?

Personally I think Maloney isnt good enough to play International football, he looks impressive in the SPL against poor defenders and takes a decent freekick, sometimes. McFadden is a luxury player who doesnt work hard enough. He'd be better coming off the bench. mad.gif

the_saints_are_coming
QUOTE (The Shadow @ Oct 12 2008, 10:37) *
How do you think they performed yesterday?

Personally I think Maloney isnt good enough to play International football, he looks impressive in the SPL against poor defenders and takes a decent freekick, sometimes. McFadden is a luxury player who doesnt work hard enough. He'd be better coming off the bench. mad.gif



One of the most ridiculous statements made. ever.
Bloobell
QUOTE (The Shadow @ Oct 12 2008, 10:37) *
How do you think they performed yesterday?

Personally I think Maloney isnt good enough to play International football, he looks impressive in the SPL against poor defenders and takes a decent freekick, sometimes. McFadden is a luxury player who doesnt work hard enough. He'd be better coming off the bench. mad.gif


Maloney I like but he gives the ball away far too often for my liking

McFadden needs to be coming through from deeper and is in no way an up-top striker
The Shadow
QUOTE (the_saints_are_coming @ Oct 12 2008, 10:40) *
One of the most ridiculous statements made. ever.


Why??? He didnt exactly burn himself out yesterday did he? Both Fletcher and Iwelumo did more than he did. IMO, although he missed a good chance Iwelumo had a good debut.
the_saints_are_coming
QUOTE (The Shadow @ Oct 12 2008, 10:51) *
Why??? He didnt exactly burn himself out yesterday did he? Both Fletcher and Iwelumo did more than he did. IMO, although he missed a good chance Iwelumo had a good debut.



i agree with everything you have said and i agree that iwelumo played well but too say Mcfadden didn't try hard enough is just wrong. He wasn't very effective but he never stopped running.
banana
McFadden was awful yesterday. He was out of his favourite position, but that's no excuse for only making one (shite) run the whole game, having little energy and little fight or poise. He shouldn't have been a lone striker, but he could have at least shown a bit of edge. Iwelumo did more in the first 5 minute of being on than McFadden did the whole game.
seamus
I thought Maloney played well yesterday but the team itself lacked anything in the final third of the park.He nade good enough runs but he had no-one to play the ball to.McFadden looked out of sorts he would have been better playing behind a target man or a poacher.
Everyone questioned why Burley played a midfielder up front on his own at home in a game he had to win.
GypsyTillIDie
QUOTE (The Shadow @ Oct 12 2008, 10:37) *
Personally I think Maloney isnt good enough to play International football, he looks impressive in the SPL against poor defenders and takes a decent freekick, sometimes. McFadden is a luxury player who doesnt work hard enough. He'd be better coming off the bench. mad.gif

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Fizzy Gillespie
Maloney had a decent game yesterday but had no support, and he loses possesion too easilly. McFadden fancies himself as a centre-forward but everyone knows he's wasted there, he should have been playing behind the striker or on the opposite flank to maloney.

Scott Brown barely had a kick of the ball, Fletcher tried hard enough but the whole midfield just wasn't working.

Thought the back four and keeper had a fine game.
S. Carter
As someone said in another thread McFadden is wasted where and with whom he was playing yesterday because it was like have three creators playing in Maloney, McFadden and Morrison, we really did miss Boyd and if Burley doesn't like Boyd he should have started Iwelumo
CC 33
QUOTE (Fizzy Gillespie @ Oct 12 2008, 12:55) *
Maloney had a decent game yesterday but had no support, and he loses possesion too easilly. McFadden fancies himself as a centre-forward but everyone knows he's wasted there, he should have been playing behind the striker or on the opposite flank to maloney.

Scott Brown barely had a kick of the ball, Fletcher tried hard enough but the whole midfield just wasn't working.

Thought the back four and keeper had a fine game.


I thought scott brown was quite easily our best player. He broke up the play won the ball back countless times. Okay, he never offered much going forward but he was playing as the holding midfielder. It was up to the likes of Fletcher, Robson and Maloney to create chances.
S. Carter
QUOTE (CC 33 @ Oct 12 2008, 13:27) *
I thought scott brown was quite easily our best player. He broke up the play won the ball back countless times. Okay, he never offered much going forward but he was playing as the holding midfielder. It was up to the likes of Fletcher, Robson and Maloney to create chances.



I thought he was our MOTM too
craigkillie
Scott Brown was fantastic. Probably the best game I've ever seen him play.

He didn't stop chasing the Norwegians and won the ball back numerous times. His tackling was much more controlled and I don't remember him giving away any fouls - which is a big change.

The Norwegians didn't like it when he ran at them with pace, and I think if we had also had other quick players like Hutton and Miller available we would have caused them a lot more problems.
Wug
Maloney played well yesterday so don't know what you're talking about there...

As for McFadden, he was played up front on his own yet was being played the ball down the wing or channels. He was then beating a man and crossing it in... to himself? That was the problem, we didn't have a fucking striker on the park in the first half - Mcfadden and Maloney are both support players.

The only players that I think played particularly poorly yesterday were Darren Fletcher and Barry Robson. It was the tactics that cost us...
Michael W
Maloney looked threatening yesterday, I thought he done well.

As for McFadden - I don't buy this "luxury we can't afford" nonsense. He has the ability, but he suffered badly from Burley's tactics yesterday. McFadden cannot play upfront on his own unsupported, and he is not a target man. Why we punted long balls to him yesterday are beyond me.
Mr.Blue
play maloney on the right wing and faddy on the left wing. we need to play to theses guys strengths if we are going to get anywhere
Reynard
QUOTE (Wug @ Oct 12 2008, 13:58) *
Maloney played well yesterday so don't know what you're talking about there...

As for McFadden, he was played up front on his own yet was being played the ball down the wing or channels. He was then beating a man and crossing it in... to himself? That was the problem, we didn't have a fucking striker on the park in the first half - Mcfadden and Maloney are both support players.

The only players that I think played particularly poorly yesterday were Darren Fletcher and Barry Robson. It was the tactics that cost us...



He played alright in the first twenty minutes and then he offered nothing. Morrison on the opposite side started poorly and then faded out of it laugh.gif Burley hasn't got a clue if he thought that formation was going to work. Particularly playing a boy up front like McFadden. That was never going to work. And the two wingers were never going to be good enough either.

Wrong formation and the wrong personnel
centralhoop
I really dont get Burleys tactics at all. McFadden needed a partner up front, and for everyone but our national manager to see that is frightening.

Maloney looked good at times, he plays in 10 minute bursts though and we needed to see more of him.

We really missed ferguson and Hutton, who offer us something different going forward.
craigkillie
Maloney was good for the first 15 minutes, and then the Norwegian defence found him out. I've said a number of times that he only has one trick, and that he can only get away with it for a short time. He runs down the wing then cuts inside and looks for a foul. If the defender doesn't commit he then passes the buck and plays a short pass to one of the midfielders.

It happens in every game he starts for Scotland against half-decent opposition, and also for Celtic in the Champions' League.

Reynard
QUOTE (centralhoop @ Oct 12 2008, 15:40) *
I really dont get Burleys tactics at all. McFadden needed a partner up front, and for everyone but our national manager to see that is frightening.

Maloney looked good at times, he plays in 10 minute bursts though and we needed to see more of him.

We really missed ferguson and Hutton, who offer us something different going forward.



What we actually missed was a manager that has a clue what he is doing. Burley made a total mess of things yesterday. It was a total debacle. That's three competitive games and he has managed two utterly inept performances tactically. You have to be smarter than he is at this level. He just isnt good enough. Bin him.
Argyll Hibs
I would rather have Maloney in the team than McFadden to be honest. McFaddens been living of his wondergoal against France for a while now and is struggling to get into the Birmingham first team. Maloney still has alot to learn though with regards to getting his head up quicker and picking out a cross.

We miss Hutton going forward but i'm not so sure we miss Ferguson that much.

Also with Boyd now out the picture I would welcome Gary O'Connor back to the squad.
dubs
McFadden is as bad as Boyd if you ask me, his face when he came off made me want to punch him.

He was fucking shite on Saturday and deserved to be hooked. Iwelumo was 10 times better than him.
Captain Tash
McFadden was shite because he was played out of position and had high balls played at him.

McFadden is best playing off a target man or drifting from the wing.

I blame Burley 100% for Saturday. Everybody in the crowd was talking about the obvious tactical blunder from the start. Why it took an hour to change it I will never know. It was so obvious that the game was made for Boyd and he failed on that front also.

I have no faith in Burley and he was my preferred choice when he got the job. He is out of his depth at international level.
Jim Pansy
QUOTE (banana @ Oct 12 2008, 12:26) *
McFadden was awful yesterday. He was out of his favourite position, but that's no excuse for only making one (shite) run the whole game, having little energy and little fight or poise. He shouldn't have been a lone striker, but he could have at least shown a bit of edge. Iwelumo did more in the first 5 minute of being on than McFadden did the whole game.



Actually his favoured position is as a central striker with his back to the goal. It is unfair to say otherwise.

Clearly he's wrong though. Thought that formation would have worked better and will work better with McFadden on the left of midfield, Morrison or Commons on the right and a target man through the middle.
buttons22
QUOTE (Jim Pansy @ Oct 13 2008, 11:53) *
Actually his favoured position is as a central striker with his back to the goal. It is unfair to say otherwise.

Clearly he's wrong though. Thought that formation would have worked better and will work better with McFadden on the left of midfield, Morrison or Commons on the right and a target man through the middle.


I think McFadden on left and Maloney on the right.
Jim Pansy
QUOTE (Argyll Hibs @ Oct 12 2008, 16:51) *
I would rather have Maloney in the team than McFadden to be honest. McFaddens been living of his wondergoal against France for a while now and is struggling to get into the Birmingham first team. Maloney still has alot to learn though with regards to getting his head up quicker and picking out a cross.

We miss Hutton going forward but i'm not so sure we miss Ferguson that much.

Also with Boyd now out the picture I would welcome Gary O'Connor back to the squad.



What games have you been watching? How can a right back be more influential than our best central midfielder? That team is crying out for Barry Ferguson. And indeed Kris Boyd, but that's besides the point.
buttons22
QUOTE (Jim Pansy @ Oct 13 2008, 11:55) *
What games have you been watching? How can a right back be more influential than our best central midfielder? That team is crying out for Barry Ferguson. And indeed Kris Boyd, but that's besides the point.



I agree with the Ferguson point but not Boyd. He hasn't proved himself against top quality opposition on a constant basis.
Jim Pansy
QUOTE (buttons22 @ Oct 13 2008, 12:03) *
I agree with the Ferguson point but not Boyd. He hasn't proved himself against top quality opposition on a constant basis.



That's because he never gets played.
buttons22
QUOTE (Jim Pansy @ Oct 13 2008, 12:05) *
That's because he never gets played.


...and why don't managers play him? Because he doesn't show it in training or on the park when he comes on as a sub etc etc.
Scotland4euros
I also think mcfadden is wasted up top on his own.
I would have liked to have seen us playing a very attacking team against the argies but at least one of these players won't be playing.


------------------(McFadden)
-------------Miller--Boyd--------------

(Maloney)----------------------(D. Fletcher)
McFadden--Ferguson--Brown--Maloney


Naysmith--McManus--Caldwell--Hutton


-----------------Gordon---------------


Subs: McGregor, Alexander, Broadfoot, Berra, D.Fletcher, Robson, S.Fletcher, Hartley, O'Connor


As Boyd clearly won't be there would like to see the team above with the players in brackets taking the positions due to boyd out.
Would also like to see riordan get a call up if he continues playing well.

The main part of the sucess of last campaign was consistency. Obviously injuries/suspension come into play but burley has to find his squad and stop this "inform" p*sh!
LinkinFighter
McFadden is best in the hole behind the striker
Andyboy
McFadden spent years coming off the bench and making an impact for Scotland, his goal in Paris shouldn't be enough to automatically make him an instant starter for the National Team.
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