So did we, it was a couple of years later the shit hit the fan, 2004 to be precise, but all that has feckall to do with anything, glad we're taking the heat off the Dundee fans though.

I never disbelieved there were creditors.

How do you know it's wrong when you admit your not exactly sure, which pretty well sums up my point, nobody knows, so how come everyone assumes it's wrong.

The other thing you've said, i can't comment on as i have no information about what debt they've accrued themselves, which is exactly the type of allegations made on the LiviLions board but no evidence to back it up, so how can anyone make a comment on it. Facts and figures with names would be good.
Don't expect people to do their business on football forums though, but then again, if they're going to be making allegations, maybe they should back them up.

I'll be glad when the footballs back on so we've something better to talk about.

Livi were being propped up by fleecing that daftie lottery winner as well as fleecing anything and everything else that came across their path. The whole rise from the lower leagues was funded by debt. Same as Gretna did.

You are single handed taking the heat off Dundee with the amount of shite you spout on here.

Do us alol a favour and shut the fcuk up please

How much have you invested in Livi FC this season?

I can't believe that this thread is still going on. I realise I'm not helping by posting

Given that there is no financial crisis, can't we just start talking about something else?

The thing that must be remembered in all this is that Meadowbank Thistle was moved against the wishes of their fans in order for a West Lothian to have a football league club and a nice shiny new stadium. If the fans had been consulted and given the move the green light by the majority of those fans, fair enough. The majority of Clyde fans were happy to move to Cumbernauld as they kept their indentity and gave the club a chance to grow in a different location. Livingston is a new club. My symapthy lies with those loyal Meadowbank Thistle fans who walked away and now support Edinburgh City, another football club or don't bother with football at all. It doesn't matter how few they were, they were fucked over...FACT...END OF!

Of course there is a young new fanbase at Livingston and I accept there is no pyramid in Scottish football. It still doesn't make what happened right though. It is kind of ironic that a few of the longer standing fans who are currently making noises are being called fakes by the current owners. I might not agree with what they did, but you have to have a little bit of respect for those fans who do still keep going from the Edinburgh days.

We're either in financial crisis or Mr Massone thinks he can bully the "smaller" creditors out of the debt HE is owed them neither of which promotes good small business relations with the very people other folk at the club are working very hard to attract.

It's one of the two. You might think it's not as clear cut as that but believe me when I say - it really is.

Any single one of 100's of "small creditors" on the list of creditors bought by Mr Massone could, theoretically, get the club wound up if they failed the pay. I would suggest that is hardly financial harmony.

Go play on the motorway ya fuckwit. wasn't me that started this shite.

I've been a season ticket holder for 8 years, fucknows what amount of money i put into the club had to do with anything though ya twat.

The footballing debt was 3.5 million, hardly say that was overly big concidering nearly every club in ths SPL at that time was in the red, off-field activities such as office blocks made it up to 10 million and McGuiness got stiffed for the lot when we went into admin.

And could you afford to pay it back?

No.

we don't know that. we couldn't service a debt of 10 million but that includes the office block etc. i think 3.5 million would have been bad but possibly managable.

St.Mirren are a bigger club than Livingston and we struggled with a debt of 2 million. Livi have a core support of about a thousand. They were fucking playing themselves when they racked up that sort of debt. Ridiculous.

Ceditors like HMRC and the Council would be quite easy to negotiate with when a new owner takes over a business. They would restructure the debts and arrange a payments within a new business plan.

I'm pretty sure the new owners are hoping that the smaller creditors will give up and go away though.

Did he mean us ???

They'll only go into admin if they don't have any money. The Italians are millionaires, allegedly...

Well Fcukwit when you invest as much as I do in the club come back and talk to me until then shut the fcuk up ande face the front, as you do nothing but sound like a broken record


You know hee haw about business and you open your mouth and let your belly rumble.

You dyslexic??

What you supposedly put more money into Livi than me so i'm not entitled to an opinion, behave yourself. This whole threads boring as f**k so lets freshen it up with a slagging match. na lets not, fucking broken records were the ones on the LiviLions board and it's spilled onto here.

No idea what you do or if you run a business, but as i said i did and without getting into any money troubles, so obviously your talking crap with that post.

I shouldn't have called you a fuckwit just because you told me to shut the f**k up a bit silly getting into abuse like a 12 years old on the internet, so i'll leave it at that.

.......

classic

That'll be because everyone you did business with paid you, which is the issue here as these people haven't been paid. What you did when you ran your own business is irrelevant.

Agreed but that fellow cast dispersions on my business accrument which were false.

The issue is whether the Italians have a case for not paying them what they are owed, can't say one way or another, as someones put it on the LiviLions boars and i'll quote them...

It's acumen.

I always had you pegged for a 16 year old, hard to believe you ran your own business.

Aye right ok Nizzy, i'll no say what i had you pegged as. If i were 16 i'd probably have a better grasp of English written language long time since i was at school.

Christ, talk about 12 year old retorts!

YER MAW!!!!

That will be that then. I should have told my lawyer to disregard all those dusty old books he has and check up on Livilions instead for the definitive on Corporate Law ...

You don't half talk alot of p!sh. You should engage your brain before you type

Deary dear, pot kettle black, esp the broken record comment earlier, if you must make a comment at least post something substantial that can be discussed, easy to just say someones talking pish and other ramblings your coming out with, tried being civil earlier but really, go F.UCK yourself ya moronic dickhead twat.

Fuckme it was tongue in cheek to lighten the mood, obv didn't work going by the fuckwits last post, in all the posts i've done you pick on that to make a comment, well done. Hasn't this thread ran it's course, seems to be just lets abuse one another now. Personaly i don't give a f.uck whether you get paid or not, was just getting fed up with all the constant bleating about it on the forums.

try reading the subject matter before letting your belly rumble

the bottom line is you know hew haw how bad a financial state oour club is in.

Off to nursery now...........

Now Now girls kiss and make up this is not how real livi fans conduct themselves

Are YOU calling them FAKES now?????????????


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d7PONWuUoEI&...feature=related

Anyone our Chaiman doesn't want to pay is a FAKE fan

Has this emailed to me this morning. There's no direct link.

What exactly is your agenda?

Who's Tomasso Brown when he's at home then?

There's nothing to fear - the Chairman has said that he's already paid the players £20,000 for bonuses from his own account. He wouldn't be a fake, would he ???

The "Trust" are about to ride to the rescue anyway. They've got a meeting arranged tonight and will use the current uncertainty to go on a recruitment drive.

I think you know he means Bruno.

FYI, Bruno is Italian for Brown

It seems to me that Mr Massone is someone who is having more than his fair share of 'misunderstandings' with people he owes money to.

The BoD will make the players an offer they can't refuse...

O'dear

I really hope this is not true

1) The money is just resting in his account
2) It's an administration error
3) It's double standards from the media

Which of these three will the usual cheerleaders use as an excuse THIS time?

How long can Angelo keep this desperate smoke and mirrors act up?

I saw Wullie Hill drawing up an odds table earlier...

You seem determined to keep this thread in front page view!




Do you consider this a bad thing then?

Your just FAKE there is no smoke and mirrors going on.

So do you everytime you respond

Au contraire! I only respond when it is top of the page. Doesn't take long for it to drop down which is where I would like it to stay.

Just ignore it if you don't want to add to the discussion rather than have a go at people.


Or better still stick to LiviLions where you can't have a reasonable debate about Livi finances because of the blinkers.


See ya

Sweep, sweep.

What's the upshot of the meeting then? Are you able to say?