Someone from our playing staff that's on a fair wage won't be on it for long anyway. Bennett isn't taken over Dundee but he will be investing some money, I was told 300k maybe it won't be as much as that but relying on investment to keep the club alive is a joke and it was only last week I said someone put in money to keep the club ticking over but that someone doesn't want the publicity - it's not the first time he's invested and he said no more, now what do we do? Stop relying on investment for a start.

All it means is the fans will have to make Rae walk.

No. Rae will be 'punted' before the Morton game at the latest. Bennett is taking over as we all know but he is still involved and it's a little more that offering his expertise. Although, he has purchased no shares he still has a 'say' for some odd reason oh and we have money to sign a player or maybe two (probably after Rae disappears) don't ask where it came from - the tooth fairy must have left it.

As for changing my story, I now know what source has the more accurate information.

EDIT: Spot on, Fife Saint.

What's this pish your spouting now.

My apologies The ghost of Jim Morton, it should have read, "Bennett is not taking over as we all know" I shall edit that now.

No. Rae will be 'punted' before the Morton game at the latest. Bennett is not taking over as we all know but he is still involved and it's a little more that offering his expertise. Although, he has purchased no shares he still has a 'say' for some odd reason oh and we have money to sign a player or maybe two (probably after Rae disappears) don't ask where it came from - the tooth fairy must have left it.

As for changing my story, I now know what source has the more accurate information.

EDIT: Spot on, Fife Saint.

So was I right or wrong pre season?

Were the Dundee fans totally and utterly incorrect when they denied that their board was taking a financial gamble to secure an unlikely promotion and that everything was going to be fine no matter what?

What has changed in this master plan?

How can the teams performances get any worse? We don't score and have barely made any chances in the past weeks.

Sacking Rae would be a big mistake.

GTF

Ah, I stand corrected. That is a valid arguement. Tell me, which international class manager is waiting in the wings just dying for Rae to be given his jotters?

Couldn't tell you but I'd rather have a 2nd class manager than Rae.

Which fan(s) said we weren't taking a gamble? Everyone was well aware of the situation and was happy for another "push" to be attempted. If we fail to make up the short fall at the season's end come back to us.

Here's a quote or two for you http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.ph...86458&st=25 :-

"If we don't get a good cup run the MacDonald fee will cover the deficit. So whats the problem?"

"We have no overdraft and we have people willing to invest like last year if we need to cover the costs. This year we don't need investment as McDonald's fee has covered it. Can't really see the problem, we have money coming in to cover the money going out. "

"We're pushing the boat out a bit last year and this year but nothing that will get us into serious trouble. The budget has been set accordenly and had already been covered by the sale of McDonald. "

and my particular favourite :-

"Does you honestly think Dundee don't have a plan and we're just guessing what will happen every year?"

Here's a quote or two for you http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.ph...86458&st=25 :-

"If we don't get a good cup run the MacDonald fee will cover the deficit. So whats the problem?"

"We have no overdraft and we have people willing to invest like last year if we need to cover the costs. This year we don't need investment as McDonald's fee has covered it. Can't really see the problem, we have money coming in to cover the money going out. "

"We're pushing the boat out a bit last year and this year but nothing that will get us into serious trouble. The budget has been set accordenly and had already been covered by the sale of McDonald. "

and my particular favourite :-

"Does you honestly think Dundee don't have a plan and we're just guessing what will happen every year?"

Cough, splutter. You are having a giraffe!

Some of the Dundee fans (not all as can be seen from this thread) rivalled Gretna fans in their ostrichness and complete unwillingness to accept reality.

When MacKinnon came out with his statements pre season that set alarm bells off for many of us who had seen this sort of thing before. No need to worry we were told - the money for this season's "push" had already been accounted for!!!!

There is no danger Dundee are winning the league. This is now obvious to those in charge hence the begging to all and sundry to stump up some "investment" cash.

It's simple - devise a budget in line with the income! What a novel approach. One perhaps the Dundee hierarchy will at some point adopt, if it isn't too late by then!

Again, no-one was really doubting what the board is doing. We did the same last season. And how did you enlighten us to our predicament? Was it along the lines of "your doomed", "going bust" etc, etc, thereby immediately putting the Dundee fans on the defensive? It wouldn't surprise me.

The situation we're in at the moment means we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

What you're effectively saying is that you were right in your statement that Dundee FC is in, erm, a financial pickle.

See you next season.

f**k off you stupid idiot!! dundee have regular meetings to show how money is being used and where money has come from, do falkirk?

get off your crazy high horse, what is happening at dens happens at every ground unless you have a sheikh as your owner.

don't tell me this pish flakirk is making money

you sold your ground, well done where will YOUR money come from next?

Falkirk make a profit with half a stadium and 5000 crowds, amazing. Should Dundee knock half of Dens down ?

You never fill it, so you might as well. Hopefully you're in it, when it's getting knocked down.

and yes, this could be said for any team in the division.

Apart from the Old Firm no one in Scotland fills their ground.

What's your point? I just said that nobody in this division fills out their ground.

Falkirk make a profit with half a stadium and 5000 crowds, amazing. Should Dundee knock half of Dens down ?

Those two monstrosities in your avatar should be knocked down.

Falkirk make a profit with half a stadium and 5000 crowds, amazing.

Should Dundee knock half of Dens down ?

Yes genius. They are called AGMs! Falkirk, as I'm sure you know, are in the black to the tune of almost 1 million pounds as at the last set of accounts.

agms are agms genius! dundee have to have more regular meetings with bank to show finances are sound.



Pishflaps. Several SPL clubs made a profit last season.

pishflaps-you and st mirren made profits after selling your grounds



Whether I tell you it or not, it is a fact. Falkirk have made a 6 figure profit in our last two seasons.

from sale of your ground!



See here is the Dundee fans problem ultimately in a nutshell. Falkirk have an icome every year, as most households do. We also have outgoings. Now, I'm going to make this simple :-

If the money you bring in exceeds the money you put out, you make a profit.

Therefore, if your wage bill and repayments (that's money going OUT) are less than (and here is the cunning bit) the money coming IN (do you see where this is going?) good things happen.

When this isn't the case, baad things happen!-really? is this why the dees are trying to balance books and seek investment like EVERY OTHER FUCKING CLUB YOU MORON.

next time please come with some facts or actual knowledge of dundee's financial status and then we can talk,

One of your main problems, and one I have seen on your own fans website, is the delusional view expressed that Dundee are an SPL club, in the First division.

Whilst this is the mentality (it's one familiar to the likes of St Johnstone, St Mirren and Falkirk fans also) you are going nowhere.

One of your main problems, and one I have seen on your own fans website, is the delusional view expressed that Dundee are an SPL club, in the First division.

Whilst this is the mentality (it's one familiar to the likes of St Johnstone, St Mirren and Falkirk fans also) you are going nowhere.

Yes but you see, it's that fan expectation and huge debt (accrued by previous boards, no the current one) that needs serviced that makes any long term plan quite possibly unworkable, McKinnon has said as much. Given that 250k of the shortfall has already been accounted for then I feel it was a reasonable gamble to take.

Other than being able to change Dundee fans' expectations and therefore keep attendances up at 4k plus for the long term the board really don't have much options.

However, given that neither me nor you know jack shit about the true financial situation (although the current BOD are more transparent thn previous ones) then neither of us can relly debate this issue with much authority. What I can say is, is that this shortfall business is not an issue as far as i'm concerned.

Oh, and I agree we won't be going up this season, but we'll still see you next season.

Given that 250k of the shortfall has already been accounted for then I feel it was a reasonable gamble to take.

Other than being able to change Dundee fans' expectations and therefore keep attendances up at 4k plus for the long term the board really don't have much options.

Has it though? That seems to be the question, doesn't it. Are Dundee effectively 250K up already, with this season's losses to be accounted for, or are you sitting at £0, with this season's losses still to come.

It would seem by the desire for further investment this season, that there are losses piling up from this campaign, which require an injection of capital to meet.

But that is exactly the job of the board. Ultimately they have to set a budget based on a very low break even point for Dundee. That may be 2,000 a week.

Clubs like Dundee and Falkirk's crowds will never drop below a certain number because there are enough die hard fans that would go if you were playing in the East of Scotland league.

In time your fans will forget about the SPL and realise it will be a bonus to get out of Division One, not an entitlement. Even with a more frugal budget, with the right management team Dundee can still compete at the top end of the league, and will eventually go up. Why take 6 figure losses and still fail?

It looks like Dundee are fucked and one or two (or 17) on here should perhaps look a few realities, none of which are good for Dundee FC in the near future, by the sounds of things.

At which point did the near future look good for DFC? Admin? Relegation? This whole "I told you it was folly to make a title push again" while at the same time admitting thinking DFC look good for promotion pre season is just plain hypocrisy. The whole "ooh, doesn't look good for you guys" that follows is just plain stating the bloody obvious.

Yet you say you tipped us for promotion pre-season?

*cough* thread already discussing this *cough*

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=93704

No no, i accept we are 100% diddy league material.

cough cough i thought a few who had a good old laugh on this thread might want to back track a little cough cough

cough cough i thought a few who had a good old laugh on this thread might want to back track a little cough cough

but the thread is right. Bennett is not taking over Dundee.

you fucking clown.

jesus , your obviously no getting any at the moment are you .... mr touchy

rather not get it than get it from my sister.

a Dundee fan on this very site did actually own up to wanting to pump his imaginary sister. fact.