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VitalDees
Well.. sounds like a boring game, how was it. We got a point at least better than no points. laugh.gif

Good to see Paton make the game too.
dundeefc1783
QUOTE (VitalDees @ Oct 4 2008, 16:58) *
Well.. sounds like a boring game, how was it. We got a point at least better than no points. laugh.gif

Good to see Paton make the game too.



yet again no goals though
VitalDees
QUOTE (dundeefc1783 @ Oct 4 2008, 17:06) *
yet again no goals though


It is a big worry but I think they will come at some stage, hopefully immediately after the international break against Ross County although I'll be on holiday then. I hope we don't get the "Saviour Deasley" crew writing to the paper at their disgust that Deasley only got twenty-five minutes.

A point away from home is better than we have been doing recently and I was expecting to still have eleven points today and I thought we'd concede about three and we didn't so I've got to be happy to an extent.
MTJ
It was an absolutely terrible game and at no point did either team look like scoring.
The Arch
Two terrible sides joined together to play out a terrible game, but atleast Dundee have an excuse for being that poor.

Bar the Rangers game, we've been pretty rubbish since the Livi cup game. Players like Twaddle and Harkins are really testing my patience, considering the talent they have, yet they clearly can't be arsed most of the time. Twaddle's crossing was excellent at times, but he has acres of space sometimes and he just can't be bothered driving forward. Harkins has been drifting through games for too long, and I'd consider dropping him for a week

It was clearly going to be 0-0 after 20 minutes. I should have gone home. Our attack is probably the worst in the division.
Gray- Naive, and has a terrible all round game
Donnelly - Best of a bad bunch, and keeps the ball well but never a threat
Roberts - Time to leave. Mark's been a great servant, but he's no longer good enough for the first

Steven Lennon is disgustingly bad and deserves a full paragraph. How bad is the SPL reserve league, if this man can be a standout. He's a shitbag, talentless, and couldn't care less where we finish in the division. Atleast DiGiacomo scored a couple of goals for us. Lennon's finishing is atrocious.
MTJ
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 18:10) *
Two terrible sides joined together to play out a terrible game, but atleast Dundee have an excuse for being that poor.

Bar the Rangers game, we've been pretty rubbish since the Livi cup game. Players like Twaddle and Harkins are really testing my patience, considering the talent they have, yet they clearly can't be arsed most of the time. Twaddle's crossing was excellent at times, but he has acres of space sometimes and he just can't be bothered driving forward. Harkins has been drifting through games for too long, and I'd consider dropping him for a week

It was clearly going to be 0-0 after 20 minutes. I should have gone home. Our attack is probably the worst in the division.
Gray- Naive, and has a terrible all round game
Donnelly - Best of a bad bunch, and keeps the ball well but never a threat
Roberts - Time to leave. Mark's been a great servant, but he's no longer good enough for the first

Steven Lennon is disgustingly bad and deserves a full paragraph. How bad is the SPL reserve league, if this man can be a standout. He's a shitbag, talentless, and couldn't care less where we finish in the division. Atleast DiGiacomo scored a couple of goals for us. Lennon's finishing is atrocious.

Now now you can't say that about Lennon, or the jagsforum boot boys will be saying how hes a scapegoat for the boo boys. As someone said to me today loan signings for us have been dreadful down the years with the exception of Dorrans.

Surprised you could muster a decent bit to say on the game, I was just tempted to type the Z letter about 30 times.
The Arch
QUOTE (MTJ @ Oct 4 2008, 18:17) *
Now now you can't say that about Lennon, or the jagsforum boot boys will be saying how hes a scapegoat for the boo boys. As someone said to me today loan signings for us have been dreadful down the years with the exception of Dorrans.

Surprised you could muster a decent bit to say on the game, I was just tempted to type the Z letter about 30 times.

Our strikeforce, along with Harkins and Twaddle, deserved to be ranted at. My mate's doing the match report for .net, and I've told him to be as abusive towards Lennon as possible.

I seriously wouldn't touch any loan signings from Rangers. None of them can be arsed, and I don't think any have benefited a first division club since the start of time.
Nightmare
What a woeful game.

1 shot on target the whole game if I remember correctly, and it was a weak shot along the ground from Lennon that was never going to hit the back of the net in a million years.

We were terrible. Dundee were even worse (if that's even possible). The only remotely good thing all game was when the referee fell over.

Urgh.
Fuctifano
I think Rangers like taking the piss out of us with loan signings. Santala being a kind of freak exception. I'd chase Lennon now.

Harkins is suspended for next week- I'd give Turner a run, we know what the rest of them can do.

Awful game- our strikers don't look likely to score prior to 2009. Suppose Dundee might be happy with the point given their injuries but the were as bad as us up front. I thought that Curier guy was supposed to be quite good.



Brigton Derry Boy
My first ever visit to firhill today. I live practically next door now and inspired by ramblings on here I thought it would be a worthwhile way to spend the afternoon. Think this might have been a mistake. From the first few posts it looks like I just picked a bad game to go to though rather than a bad team to watch. I honestly can't see either of these teams challenging for a league title on that performance. Partick thistle probably the better of the two but that's not really a compliment given the standard on display.
Deeboy
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 18:22) *
I seriously wouldn't touch any loan signings from Rangers. None of them can be arsed, and I don't think any have benefited a first division club since the start of time.


I see you.. and raise you Charlie Adam.. dry.gif
PTFC27
That was proabably the worst game I've ever seen. The only good parts of the game were the ref falling over, ball-girl falling over and a few young (8-11) Dundee fans giving a few Thistle fans (the same of age) rude gesters laugh.gif
The Arch
QUOTE (Deeboy @ Oct 4 2008, 19:01) *
I see you.. and raise you Charlie Adam.. dry.gif

Allan McGregor was quite good for St Johnstone I'd say actually. I'd say in the main though, that very few Old Firm loans have worked out.
Jim McL
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 19:09) *
Allan McGregor was quite good for St Johnstone I'd say actually. I'd say in the main though, that very few Old Firm loans have worked out.


Billy Gibson and Steven Campbell were ok ,if I remember correctly. Robert Fleck scored some-I think.
Fuctifano
Steven Campbell ok? Are you absolutely insane? Where is he there days? Is he still playing football?
Is he still alive?

Billy Gibson was decent and worth signing at the time even if he turned out to be a very frustrating player. Santala was given to us as a defender but was a suprisingly effective auxiliary forward. Andy Murdoch was probably our last decent loan signing from Celtic and that's going back 20 years.
Exuberant
QUOTE (Fuctifano @ Oct 4 2008, 19:23) *
Steven Campbell ok? Are you absolutely insane? Where is he there days? Is he still playing football?
Is he still alive?

Billy Gibson was decent and worth signing at the time even if he turned out to be a very frustrating player. Santala was given to us as a defender but was a suprisingly effective auxiliary forward. Andy Murdoch was probably our last decent loan signing from Celtic and that's going back 20 years.


When was the last time we had a loan signing from Celtic? Genuine question.
The Arch
QUOTE (Jim McL @ Oct 4 2008, 19:16) *
Billy Gibson and Steven Campbell were ok ,if I remember correctly. Robert Fleck scored some-I think.

I never really took to Gibson. He'd be rubbish, come off the bench and play well, and once he sneaked back in the team again he'd be rubbish. Nothing more than a squad man, if you exclude "that goal".
Steven Campbell was poor. The only thing that might redeem him, was the amount of dross surrounding him
Robert Fleck was before my time.
Beyemystic
Did Dundee have to field trialists then?

If so, who?
FreddieDaquin.
QUOTE (Beyemystic @ Oct 4 2008, 19:33) *
Did Dundee have to field trialists then?

If so, who?



Nah, the line-up was:
Douglas
Paton McKeown Cowan Malone
Daquin Dodds Pozniak Gilhaney
Curier (Deasley) Davidson

Subs:

Roy
Benidictus
O'Brien
Mearns
Deasley (Curier)
Deestruction
So is it wrong that I think it was a decent game where we had longer spells of possesion in comparison to the other games, and that we created opportunities, but no chances.
EastFootball
QUOTE (Deestruction @ Oct 4 2008, 19:52) *
So is it wrong that I think it was a decent game where we had longer spells of possesion in comparison to the other games, and that we created opportunities, but no chances.

Yes, it is wrong. How dare you not concur with the totally unbiased Thistle fans who have already posted.

But FWIW, I agree with you.
Juan Sara
The trialist was Sean Webb.
The Arch
QUOTE (Deestruction @ Oct 4 2008, 19:52) *
So is it wrong that I think it was a decent game where we had longer spells of possesion in comparison to the other games, and that we created opportunities, but no chances.

That result was an achievement considering your circumstances, but I can't imagine you coming out that game happy, if it was the start of the season. I can't remember you having a notable chance, bar maybe a swiped attempt from Dacquin about 10 yards out first half.

I just think the standards very poor this year, and this is being confirmed more and more as each game passes.
Juan Sara
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 20:02) *
That result was an achievement considering your circumstances, but I can't imagine you coming out that game happy, if it was the start of the season. I can't remember you having a notable chance, bar maybe a swiped attempt from Dacquin about 10 yards out first half.

I just think the standards very poor this year, and this is being confirmed more and more as each game passes.



I can see why hes happy that performance was an improvemant on Saints and Livvi.
PTFC27
QUOTE (FreddieDaquin. @ Oct 4 2008, 19:43) *
Nah, the line-up was:
Douglas
Paton McKeown Cowan Malone
Daquin Dodds Pozniak Gilhaney
Curier (Deasley) Davidson

Subs:

Roy
Benidictus
O'Brien
Mearns
Deasley (Curier)


Was he the big number 8? If so, he was dire.
SuperTommy
QUOTE (FreddieDaquin. @ Oct 4 2008, 19:43) *
Nah, the line-up was:
Douglas
Paton McKeown Cowan Malone
Daquin Dodds Pozniak Gilhaney
Curier (Deasley) Davidson

Subs:

Roy
Benidictus
O'Brien
Mearns
Deasley (Curier)


The Trialist was on the bench not Benidictus.

QUOTE (Juan Sara @ Oct 4 2008, 20:00) *
The trialist was Sean Webb.


It wasn't Sean Webb, or anyone that has been at Dens on trial before.
EastFootball
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 20:02) *
That result was an achievement considering your circumstances, but I can't imagine you coming out that game happy, if it was the start of the season. I can't remember you having a notable chance, bar maybe a swiped attempt from Dacquin about 10 yards out first half.

huh.gif

Did you leave at half time?
Juan Sara
QUOTE (PTFC27 @ Oct 4 2008, 20:06) *
Was he the big number 8? If so, he was dire.



Sure was.
The Arch
QUOTE (EastFootball @ Oct 4 2008, 20:06) *
huh.gif

Did you leave at half time?

I started to doze off before half time.

I can remember a few breakaways, which you wasted but I can't remember many chances. Probably because the game wasn't very memorable
EastFootball
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 20:13) *
I started to doze off before half time.

I can remember a few breakaways, which you wasted but I can't remember many chances. Probably because the game wasn't very memorable

We had a few that counted as at least half-chances.

Eddie Malone header from a corner, Gilhaney and Malone both sending a couple of decent crosses in that just needed a touch, Freddie likewise.

Overall, a draw was probably the fairest result.
The ghost of Jim Morton
QUOTE (SuperTommy @ Oct 4 2008, 20:06) *
The Trialist was on the bench not Benidictus.



It wasn't Sean Webb, or anyone that has been at Dens on trial before.



According to the BBC...




Dundee shared the spoils with Partick Thistle in a drab draw at Firhill.

Dundee almost took the lead when Craig McKeown met Freddy Daquin's corner but was denied by Paul Patton's clearance.

Alex Rae was forced to name himself as a trialist substitute, but the Jags almost netted in 37 minutes when Mark Roberts volleyed Mark Twaddle's cross. Neither side could manage a second-half goal, despite efforts from Thistle's Simon Donnelly and Dundee's Bob Davidson as it ended in stalemate.

The BBC are pretty shite so this might be wrong


Deestruction
It's not that the standards have dropped by that much, it's more that other teams aren't giving the others as much time / room IMO. Sure their are still some rank rotten players in this league, Pozzers had a stinker the day, but we still controlled the midfield. Dodds was a key player, and hopefully he can help us tide along.

Our defence wasn't challenged at all, so no critcisms there, and Douglas, 1 missed cross aside, I think we all know he is one of the better keepers in this league.

The midfield Pozniak aside was comfortable and for long spells gave Plastic no time and passed around their midfield. Dodds was dominant, Gilhaney made space but needs to have a final ball if he's going to be worth something. He's trying to get past players which is brilliant and the aim, but when he does, he needs to release it. And when he's up against a defender as quick as him, he needs to stop the cut-back, run back down the line and just get the ball their to save him energy.

Upfront Curier should never be on his own, or just with someone behind him, he needs someone to feed off, dare I add Deasley may be useful with MAC playing balls for the pacey youngster.

Davidson plays the creating roll well, but instead of punting it to MAC, we need to actually use our attacking middleman.

Overall, IMO we seemed like we knew what he had to do to make chances, but to take them, we need practice, which will get us goals and win us games with our defence / keeper.
EastFootball
The BBC are wrong.

The trialist substitute certainly wasn't Alex Rae.
Deestruction
Lets be fair to the dumb fucks, we did have a spoon head on the bench, lol.
EastFootball
QUOTE (Deestruction @ Oct 4 2008, 20:21) *
Lets be fair to the dumb fucks, we did have a spoon head on the bench, lol.

You have to feel sorry for Eddie Mearns, looking like Rae from a distance laugh.gif
Deestruction
QUOTE (EastFootball @ Oct 4 2008, 20:22) *
You have to feel sorry for Eddie Mearns, looking like Rae from a distance laugh.gif


I'd feel sorry for a baboon with that comparison.

I kid...

But seriously!
Dr Koop
Good thing the ref went on his arse, otherwise there'd have been 90 minutes of zero entertainment instead of 89. dry.gif That game was a good reason why teams in no-score draws should be denied a point each.

High time Thistle found a striker rather than milk boys from the SPL.
The Arch
QUOTE (Deestruction @ Oct 4 2008, 20:19) *
It's not that the standards have dropped by that much, it's more that other teams aren't giving the others as much time / room IMO. Sure their are still some rank rotten players in this league, Pozzers had a stinker the day, but we still controlled the midfield. Dodds was a key player, and hopefully he can help us tide along.

Teams have never given time/room in the first division, it's just that there are now less players that can make space for themselves, and create problems.

I hope I'm proven wrong at some point in the near future, and that I'm watching quality football every week.

Only three decent league games this season have been Thistle 4-0 St Johnstone, QOTS 2-0 Thistle, and Thistle 1-0 Dunfermline.
The ghost of Jim Morton
QUOTE (EastFootball @ Oct 4 2008, 20:19) *
The BBC are wrong.

The trialist substitute certainly wasn't Alex Rae.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.Last week they had St.Johnstones Holmes having a goal chalked off against Dundee.He was on the bench at the time.This week they had Holmes hitting the post when it was Kevin Moon.

Fucking hopeless
Deestruction
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 4 2008, 20:29) *
Teams have never given time/room in the first division, it's just that there are now less players that can make space for themselves, and create problems.

I hope I'm proven wrong at some point in the near future, and that I'm watching quality football every week.

Only three decent league games this season have been Thistle 4-0 St Johnstone, QOTS 2-0 Thistle, and Thistle 1-0 Dunfermline.


You say their are no players making space for themselves, but today I saw 2 Dundee players making space, Dodds and Davidson. From your statements, you sound like we're talking about the Premiership, this is the SFL Div 1 FFS, wake up mate, this is supposed to be about cold, rainy Wednesday night draws.
Fuctifano
If anyone actually enjoyed that game, I fear for how low their enjoyment threshold must be. I just wanted it to end from about 70 minutes in as neither team ever looked like scoring.

Going back to an earlier point, I can't think of any players we've had on loan from Celtic since Murdoch.
Dr Koop
The only memorable loan I've seen at Firhill in years was Wilko.
Deestruction
Football isn't all about goals, goals and more goals. Quality possesion can be as fun to watch, and for me it is.
The ghost of Jim Morton
QUOTE (Deestruction @ Oct 4 2008, 20:35) *
Football isn't all about goals, goals and more goals. Quality possesion can be as fun to watch, and for me it is.


Thats just as well eh!! Seeing as your boys have only scored 1 in the last 5 games laugh.gif
Juan Sara
On a high note, today was the fist time I've had nachos at a football game....
Dr Koop
QUOTE (Juan Sara @ Oct 4 2008, 20:43) *
On a high note, today was the fist time I've had nachos at a football game....


I'm sure there's the concept for a Western in there. cool.gif
Deestruction
QUOTE (The ghost of Jim Morton @ Oct 4 2008, 20:40) *
Thats just as well eh!! Seeing as your boys have only scored 1 in the last 5 games laugh.gif


What's so funny? wink.gif
The ghost of Jim Morton
QUOTE (Deestruction @ Oct 4 2008, 21:02) *
What's so funny? wink.gif

This ...
EastFootball
Oh, just rememberd -- Paul Lambert was in the Dundee end today.

Hope he wasn't trying to decide whether or not to accept a job offer dry.gif
Dr Koop
Relax, the Albert Einstein of the BBC is tipped for that post.
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