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shawfield shed boy
Yes or no ?...

I used to be quiet bad,coudnt walk away ten or twenty down had to chase it turning into sometines being down £100s..
Not as bad now though due to other commitments though occasionaly have the odd bet on my old numbers £1 on zerio & 20p on 3,15,26,32 and 35 - £2.00 per spin in corals
Anyone else play them? which bookies and any good or bad stories
mid-table
They will be single-handedly responsible for the breakdown of our society as we know it.
The absolute crack cocaine of gambling, available 13 hours a day to anyone over 18 on a high street near you.
It saddens me when I (rarely) go into a bookies during the afternoon to see groups of youths all hovering around the machines, and if none of them are playing then just watching other people play. I've always been of the opinion that roulette should not be a spectator sport, and it puts me off playing them if someone is going to be standing on my shoulder watching.
I've also seen people come in with a recently acquired pound coin (singular), trying to turn it into something greater. these people have found an easy option, and are the same people that come out with ridiculous logic such as 'That's four reds in a row, the next one must be black'. Once again, it's the uneducated and poorer members of society that are being taken advantage of and are feeding these cash cows for big business and rich shareholders.
I have played them in the past, but try and avoid where at all possible, because they really are addictive.
The bookies absolutely love them, William Hills full year results from 2007 showed a profit of £273M of which over £200M came from these machines.
Although not given much publicity, these machines are going to increase poverty, the crime rate, and reduce social cohesion unless the government tightens up the controls that they have spent the last decade relaxing.

Never mind the super-casino, these machines are where the real issue of problem gambling lies.

You may have gathered that I have strong opinions on this subject.
boardroomshuffler
QUOTE (mid-table @ Sep 29 2008, 15:41) *
They will be single-handedly responsible for the breakdown of our society as we know it.
The absolute crack cocaine of gambling, available 13 hours a day to anyone over 18 on a high street near you.
It saddens me when I (rarely) go into a bookies during the afternoon to see groups of youths all hovering around the machines, and if none of them are playing then just watching other people play. I've always been of the opinion that roulette should not be a spectator sport, and it puts me off playing them if someone is going to be standing on my shoulder watching.
I've also seen people come in with a recently acquired pound coin (singular), trying to turn it into something greater. these people have found an easy option, and are the same people that come out with ridiculous logic such as 'That's four reds in a row, the next one must be black'. Once again, it's the uneducated and poorer members of society that are being taken advantage of and are feeding these cash cows for big business and rich shareholders.
I have played them in the past, but try and avoid where at all possible, because they really are addictive.
The bookies absolutely love them, William Hills full year results from 2007 showed a profit of £273M of which over £200M came from these machines.
Although not given much publicity, these machines are going to increase poverty, the crime rate, and reduce social cohesion unless the government tightens up the controls that they have spent the last decade relaxing.

Never mind the super-casino, these machines are where the real issue of problem gambling lies.

You may have gathered that I have strong opinions on this subject.



Could not agree more. The above should be posted in every newspaper, it is a huge social problem that seems to have escaped the medias attention.
Haitch
Mid-table, the thing that gets me is that I used to frequent the bookies a fair bit. You got to know faces and know their punting style. For example one guy would sit and look for about 1 hour all the cards and select his 4 for his £11 yankee.

Another guy would bet on every race only for £2 a race and is rightfully happy when his 6/1 winner comes in.

It is these very same people now who instead of his £1 yankee and the other chaps £2 bets are now sticking scotre after score in the roulette machine.

Whats worse is seeing someone win a decent wedge like £50 from a couple of quid on the nags - he then goes straight to the machine and blows it within 5 mins sad.gif

They should be banned.
Mackie The Staggie
They are as bad as the fruit machines, if not worse. Personally the only time I have played roulette is on chairty nights, when they do that casino themed night.
Cowden til i die
Roulette is a mugs game but very addictive as one of my mayes knows after a certain trip to the bookies. If ive got a couple of quid i might put it in and a few times ive won a tenner but even more times ive just lost it and walked away. If i was going to play it for big money i would never use one of the machines as they sucker you in and clean up. They are worse than puggys i think
shawfield shed boy
Total agree with most comments
Certainly southern ireland have got the right idea,Was in dublin last xmas for 3 day break and entering William Hill Shop to bet not one shop over there has roulette machne and talking to the manager of the shop dont think they will ever be passed by their government
Eugene Rose
they are getting them in Ireland sometime between now and next summer apparently.
Jordo1872
QUOTE (mid-table @ Sep 29 2008, 16:41) *
They will be single-handedly responsible for the breakdown of our society as we know it.
The absolute crack cocaine of gambling, available 13 hours a day to anyone over 18 on a high street near you.
It saddens me when I (rarely) go into a bookies during the afternoon to see groups of youths all hovering around the machines, and if none of them are playing then just watching other people play. I've always been of the opinion that roulette should not be a spectator sport, and it puts me off playing them if someone is going to be standing on my shoulder watching.
I've also seen people come in with a recently acquired pound coin (singular), trying to turn it into something greater. these people have found an easy option, and are the same people that come out with ridiculous logic such as 'That's four reds in a row, the next one must be black'. Once again, it's the uneducated and poorer members of society that are being taken advantage of and are feeding these cash cows for big business and rich shareholders.
I have played them in the past, but try and avoid where at all possible, because they really are addictive.
The bookies absolutely love them, William Hills full year results from 2007 showed a profit of £273M of which over £200M came from these machines.
Although not given much publicity, these machines are going to increase poverty, the crime rate, and reduce social cohesion unless the government tightens up the controls that they have spent the last decade relaxing.

Never mind the super-casino, these machines are where the real issue of problem gambling lies.

You may have gathered that I have strong opinions on this subject.


Certainly a strong opinion but one I totally agree with. Used to play them quite alot but then I realised that if I was going to lose my money i would rather do it through educated football bets rather than a 'random' number generator.

Great post btw.
vlad is the man
QUOTE (Cowden til i die @ Sep 29 2008, 17:33) *
Roulette is a mugs game but very addictive as one of my mayes knows after a certain trip to the bookies. If ive got a couple of quid i might put it in and a few times ive won a tenner but even more times ive just lost it and walked away. If i was going to play it for big money i would never use one of the machines as they sucker you in and clean up. They are worse than puggys i think


Definatley learnt my lesson. The worst thing was that the reason I was in there was to pick up winnings. The only way I would play it again would be if I had a spare couple of quid.

Suckers games.
dougalldogg
QUOTE (mid-table @ Sep 29 2008, 16:41) *
They will be single-handedly responsible for the breakdown of our society as we know it.
The absolute crack cocaine of gambling, available 13 hours a day to anyone over 18 on a high street near you.
It saddens me when I (rarely) go into a bookies during the afternoon to see groups of youths all hovering around the machines, and if none of them are playing then just watching other people play. I've always been of the opinion that roulette should not be a spectator sport, and it puts me off playing them if someone is going to be standing on my shoulder watching.
I've also seen people come in with a recently acquired pound coin (singular), trying to turn it into something greater. these people have found an easy option, and are the same people that come out with ridiculous logic such as 'That's four reds in a row, the next one must be black'. Once again, it's the uneducated and poorer members of society that are being taken advantage of and are feeding these cash cows for big business and rich shareholders.
I have played them in the past, but try and avoid where at all possible, because they really are addictive.
The bookies absolutely love them, William Hills full year results from 2007 showed a profit of £273M of which over £200M came from these machines.
Although not given much publicity, these machines are going to increase poverty, the crime rate, and reduce social cohesion unless the government tightens up the controls that they have spent the last decade relaxing.

Never mind the super-casino, these machines are where the real issue of problem gambling lies.

You may have gathered that I have strong opinions on this subject.


Completely agree, I hate these machines, used to play them quite regularly, now no longer go to bookies and instead place my bets online and never go near these machines, some of the amounts ive saw people, even some of my mates lose on these things is unreal.
WullieBroonIsGod
If I'm in the bookies it's generally to fire a quick coupon on, but I do know a few lads who like to play.

Personally they're not my cup of tea.
I do play roulette if we're having a night out at the casino though, which is strange??!!
Kayster
I disagree, I have a system that works and I make at least £30 a day from it. I can't let anyone else in on it though sorry......... tongue.gif
Michael W
I never touch roulette machines, like mid-table, I know the sort of profits the bookies bank from these machines.

I'll hold my hands up and admit to firing in a £5r and playing blackjack every once in a blue moon though. I normally seem to do quite well out of that, probably because I'm quite disciplined when playing it.
the_russian
I've never played it in my life, and I bet i've still made more from it than 99.9% of people who have.
MrBigstuff89
As of Thursday, half my wages each week are going towards paying off a credit card that was run up on these machines!!

I grudged putting more than £20 on a horse but would put £30 a spin on roulette quite happily...

I remember reading Mid Tables profit and loss for the year and I'm sure that he would have made a tidy profit if it wasn't for these b*****ds!!

Dont get me wrong, I dont blame anyone other than myself for the situation I am in, but I advise anyone to stay clear of them AT ALL TIMES...

Your couple of pound change from a bet can go on a football coupon, not somethin that can make you stand in the bookies for another hour and lose your hard earnt cash!!
freedomwriter
Well well well, i must say i do basically hate these machines now, but when im in the bookies still get suckered into them , have won a cuple of hundred easy on them but have also lost a cuple of hundred on them very easy. as for what dougalldoggs saying he was that bad on them he banned himself from the bookies and said he was never going to bet again but the online addiction got him laugh.gif laugh.gif lol!!! bloody gambling, anyway i cant say much as im a complete addict to .

mon the ADDICTS!!
Fudge
Who wouldn't want to try and double their money for a less then £50 chance of winning? huh.gif

Anyone who feels they cannot drag themselves away from a machine, or has ever had to put a block or limit on a gambling account should seek support from a gambling addicts support group.
county-mad
I saw one boy play it and he set him self a limit of the machine so he could only go down to £10. eventually he hit £10 and all the machine did was put a thing up saying limit hit, collect or keep going ?

he kept going and lost the lot
mid-table
QUOTE (Fudge @ Sep 30 2008, 19:50) *
Who wouldn't want to try and double their money for a less then £50 chance of winning? huh.gif

Anyone who feels they cannot drag themselves away from a machine, or has ever had to put a block or limit on a gambling account should seek support from a gambling addicts support group.

I don't understand the first sentence, what's £50 got to do with it?

Whilst I agree with that view in principle, I feel it is also shortsighted.
You need to understand the psychology of gambling. It affects different people in different ways, and the very nature of it can make it compulsive. Things such as near-miss technology (which is outlawed but companies have ways of getting around it), and mean reversion mean that the odds are stacked against the player. Part of this is due to ineducation of the end-user, fair enough, but the companies promoting these machines don't do enough to make this clear at the outset.

Psychology; the nature of gambling promotes false logic, see my earlier post about 'it's been 4 reds in a row, the next spin must be black'. I fall for this myself, if I'm chasing an area of the wheel I will put in more money as, in my psychosis at the time, "sooner or later it has to go in that area of the wheel". This encouarages people to make bets that they wouldn't normally make
Compulsive; Possibly the most difficult definition to articulate. Unless you have experienced it personally, most people don't understand it. It can be assimilated with things such as 'the red mist', you know what you're doing has no logic to it or is 'wrong', but you MUST put that money in as to not do it would be worse.
Near-miss technology; This is becoming more subtle as the years go by. A simple form is a fruit machine with three reels where the jackpot is three bells, every 100 spins or so the machine is programmed to spin a bell on the left, a bell on the right, and a bell just above the winline of the middle reel. Thye user gets a buzz from coming so close to the jackpot, and is indirectly encouraged to keep playing as they have come so close. The example above is very simplistic and is outlawed, however as mentioned more subtle and subconscious methods have since been developed.
Mean reversion; Things so up, things go down. The same applies to profit. On a roulette wheel with a 0% margin (i.e. 36 numbers, no zero), you will sometimes be in profit, you will sometimes be at a loss, but overall you will revert towards a profit/loss of £0. However, let's say that you only have £200, the machine will let you go as far in profit as you like, but if you continue playing you will revert eventually towards a profit/loss of £0. However, if you are on the downward curve of the graph, you can only go to -£200 until you've run out of money. Add in the 2.78% margin built in by offering 35/1 on a wheel having 37 numbers, and this eventuality happens quicker.
It's the people that get in profit, and are not affected by either psychology, compulsive tendancies, or near-miss technology, that can walk away with a profit, however this is by no means everybody.
There is a plethora of really good reading material on these subjects on the internet, I spent a couple of hours reading about them last night, some of the stuff is quite scary.

The only link I will post is not directly related to any of the points I have made, but is a fascinating 5 minute read if you have an interest in this subject, some of the comments in bold are very interesting, and are direct quotes from the House of Lords.
A very interesting article
vlad is the man
I think Fudge meant 50%.
Fudge
Sorry, yes I did mean 50%.

I understand the statistics involved with roulette machines and other types of gambling although I cannot grasp the pyschology of being addicted, as I have never been addicted to gambling.

Whether you win or not, if you find yourself saying 'just one last spin' and find yourself there for another half hour(especially if you fed notes into the machine because you are on losing streak) and this is not a one off occurence, then you have a gambling problem and should seek help, in the same way you should if you cannot control your betting and often chase losses.

As I've hinted at before, it doesn't matter if you are winning or losing, if you cannot drag youself away from the machine/bookies/computer because you have a compulsion to bet then you do have a problem. If you cannot control how much you are spending on gambling and fin yourself betting more than you can afford then you do have a problem.

I would never name names, but it's quite obvious a few p&bers have some degree gambling addiction to some degree and it should not be trivialised. People often try to sweep it under the carpet because 'it's not that bad' or having a laugh with your mates about hat a disasterous day gambling it was can be seen as macho.

I go into a casino looking for a good night out, with some money to spend and if I lose it, well, at least I had good fun. I understand the odds, and choose only to play roulette, blackjack or poker (i know that's a bit diiferent) for enjoyment, and a bit of a thrill and hopefully I might make a few quid. However, people often do go to the casino to play games where the odds of winning are against them, but are hell bent on making a profit and will throw the kitchen sink at it until they do, or until they have nothing left to throw at it.

None of this is directed at you (mid-table) in anyway, just my general feeling on gambling.
roland sausage
I had a huge addiction to roulette a couple of years ago, but i managed to overcome it by simply taking a couple of quid in my pocket so i only had enough money to put my coupon on. It had gotten to the point where i was skint 2 or 3 days after i got paid and i was missing direct debits and card payments cos i didnt have enough money in my account, and i was nearly booted out by my parents. Im not at all proud of what i did, and im glad i sorted myself out.
shawfield shed boy
QUOTE (philpy @ Oct 1 2008, 18:14) *
I had a huge addiction to roulette a couple of years ago, but i managed to overcome it by simply taking a couple of quid in my pocket so i only had enough money to put my coupon on. It had gotten to the point where i was skint 2 or 3 days after i got paid and i was missing direct debits and card payments cos i didnt have enough money in my account, and i was nearly booted out by my parents. Im not at all proud of what i did, and im glad i sorted myself out.


Well done Mate! I was in similiar situation where i used to get cash back from my debit card on my lunch break of 30-40 mins and when it came close to the end of my time i had to increase my stakes as i didnt have time for my normal bet spins
Me i just stopped taking my card to work and if i only had a tenner or so on me that's all i would lose which i never because i dont like having nothing for Drink and food purposes
These machines are very profitable for the Bookie and wont go awat,there must be thousands of people out there with hard luck stories but im just glad i got out of it and hope through friends of friends people will see sense with these machines

Good thread lads wink.gif
DarkBlue62
Really good thread guys. Fudge, i think im possibly one of those people you speak of. sad.gif unsure.gif
Swampy
Evil machines. I play blackjack on them from time to time, though.
Deco
I was a bit of a roulette addict not so long ago. Every day on my dinner hour I would head for the bookies and blast in obscene amounts of money to these machines. I definitely lost much more than I put in, and it frequently left me rooked.

I have cut down considerably since then though, and very rarely play these machines. I can go through a spell where I won't play them for a good 3/4 weeks, then I would go in every day and put in small fortunes.

Yesterday, for example, I lost £20 in around 5-10 minutes. It's silly and pointless. I have now banned myself from playing this evil game and would much rather put some extra cash on a football coupon.

Those who haven't played roulette before - you are advised not to begin.
mid-table
QUOTE (Deco @ Oct 3 2008, 13:38) *
I have cut down considerably since then though, and very rarely play these machines. I can go through a spell where I won't play them for a good 3/4 weeks, then I would go in every day and put in small fortunes.

The bit in bold is an absolutely classic case of compulsive gambling. Not making any judgments Deco, you have said it yourself, just when I read that it is almost exactly how it is worded in various case studies.

For anyone who is interested, below is the 20 questions from GA;

Did you ever lose time from work or school due to gambling?
Has gambling ever made your home life unhappy?
Did gambling affect your reputation?
Have you ever felt remorse after gambling?
Did you ever gamble to get money with which to pay debts or otherwise solve financial difficulties?
Did gambling cause a decrease in your ambition or efficiency?
After losing did you feel you must return as soon as possible and win back your losses?
After a win did you have a strong urge to return and win more?
Did you often gamble until your last pound was gone?
Did you ever borrow to finance your gambling?
Have you ever sold anything to finance gambling?
Were you reluctant to use "gambling money" for normal expenditures?
Did gambling make you careless of the welfare of yourself or your family?
Did you ever gamble longer than you had planned?
Have you ever gambled to escape worry, trouble, boredom or loneliness?
Have you ever committed, or considered committing, an illegal act to finance gambling?
Did gambling cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
Do arguments, disappointments or frustrations create within you an urge to gamble?
Did you ever have an urge to celebrate any good fortune by a few hours of gambling?
Have you ever considered self destruction or suicide as a result of your gambling?

Most compulsive gamblers will answer yes to at least seven of these questions.
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