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Stainrod's Fedora
QUOTE (Muggy :) @ Sep 30 2008, 22:29) *
Alan Kernaghan wasn't far off getting us relegated, so I'd say he has done a great job, nurturing us into league contenders. People also say he inherited guys like, McDonald, Robertson, and Dixon, which is true, but surely he deserves a bit of credit for how they improved under him, and consequently the big moves they earned?

As I have already said, we would have been promoted with last seasons points total if it wasn't for Hamlton, arguably the best first division side promoted for years. Any other season, those points would have been enough and we would all be hailing him.


I know being manager of our club can't be easy, but I have to disagree with most of that. First off, relegation was never a threat under Kernaghan. Next, Robertson, McDonald and Dixon would've developed no matter who was in charge. In fact, some may argue they would've done better under superior management. Only McDonald moving on was of benefit to the club. The situation with Dixon last season is a prime example of poor man management. For a while last year, there was also a big question mark over Rae's deployment of the midfield, with McDonald and Robertson at his disposal. I also think a better man would've sorted Swankie's attitude out and got him committed to Dundee. Despite all the shit being spouted about him, I'd take him over Gilhaney every time.

Rae has been given a decent budget every year since he took over, but he has been constantly building a new team, mostly due to his own poor signings. Three times this season we've started a player on a Saturday who only signed on the previous Thursday or Friday. Whilst I crave stability, Rae can't be beyond reproach for the shambles we currently find ourselves in.
Muggy
QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 22:55) *
I know being manager of our club can't be easy, but I have to disagree with most of that. First off, relegation was never a threat under Kernaghan.


I actually agree with some of that, but not the above statement. If it wasn't for Dundee earning the points under Jim Duffy then I think we'd have been in the relegation zone. Ofcourse, Kernaghan would have picked up points at the start of the season if he was manager, but probably not nearly as much as Duffy did.
Stainrod's Fedora
QUOTE (Muggy :) @ Sep 30 2008, 23:02) *
I actually agree with some of that, but not the above statement. If it wasn't for Dundee earning the points under Jim Duffy then I think we'd have been in the relegation zone. Ofcourse, Kernaghan would have picked up points at the start of the season if he was manager, but probably not nearly as much as Duffy did.


I know things were bad that season, and I agree Kernagan was bloody awful, but relegation was never going to happen. As for celebrating Duffy, I hold him solely responsible for us being in this hellhole of a league in the first place. Surely you agree with that.
The Arch
QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 22:55) *
Three times this season we've started a player on a Saturday who only signed on the previous Thursday or Friday.

This tactic isn't beyond McCall either, and I really dislike it. Last year we were playing brilliantly and then we head to Dens. He shuffles everyone around for DiGiacomo, who was shit btw, and we lose 3-0

We had a 100% record at the start of this season, and then we head to QOTS. McCall changes our formation from a 3-5-2, which we have the players for, to some sort of 4-4-2 mish mash to acoomodate Lennon. In keeping with the theme, Lennon has been shit, and we go onto lose 2-0. When we reverted back to 3-5-2 after half an hour, we were on top for the rest of the game.
Stainrod's Fedora
QUOTE (The Arch @ Sep 30 2008, 23:07) *
This tactic isn't beyond McCall either, and I really dislike it.


I wouldn't call it a tactic. I'd call it the hallmark of shite management. Something, despite Thistle's reasonable start, we have in common.
revolvingduck
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That was so funny. I read the title "Dundee Injury Concerns Hit All New Level" and misread it as "Dundee fan makes more excuses for his side being 6th and actually, pretty shit"




























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Muggy
QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 23:06) *
I know things were bad that season, and I agree Kernagan was bloody awful, but relegation was never going to happen. As for celebrating Duffy, I hold him solely responsible for us being in this hellhole of a league in the first place. Surely you agree with that.



Ofcourse I do. Jim Duffy is a complete failure as a football manager.

But, as I say, Duffy accumulated a good few points for us that season, in terms of our overall points total, considering he was only in charge a short period.
The Arch
QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 23:10) *
I wouldn't call it a tactic. I'd call it the hallmark of shite management. Something, despite Thistle's reasonable start, we have in common.

I should have said trait rather than tactic, but it's definitely "the hallmark of shite management". I still quite like McCall despite his traits, but his tactics and general decision making leave a lot to be desired at times.
Muggy
QUOTE (revolvingduck @ Sep 30 2008, 23:13) *
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That was so funny. I read the title "Dundee Injury Concerns Hit All New Level" and misread it as "Dundee fan makes more excuses for his side being 6th and actually, pretty shit"

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How's Jim? He still doing a great job for yous?
Stainrod's Fedora
QUOTE (The Arch @ Sep 30 2008, 23:16) *
I still quite like McCall despite his traits


He's a fucking arsehole. But my feelings are a legacy of his time on the wrong side of Tannadice Street.

Conversely, he used to be my favourite Dundee player. He couldn't half take a free kick.
revolvingduck
QUOTE (Muggy :) @ Sep 30 2008, 23:18) *
How's Jim? He still doing a great job for yous?



Mcintyre? Yeah, OK.
VitalDees
QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 22:06) *
He signed a contract put in front of him by Dundee. He can't be punted, and will quite happily pick up his wages whilst contributing f**k all to the club.


He can be punted. Watch this space wink.gif
Stainrod's Fedora
QUOTE (VitalDees @ Oct 1 2008, 07:58) *
He can be punted. Watch this space wink.gif


I hope you're right.
drs
If the injury crisis is at an all new level why are players being allowed to go out on loan?

SuperTommy
QUOTE (drs @ Oct 1 2008, 10:14) *
If the injury crisis is at an all new level why are players being allowed to go out on loan?


Fozzy went on loan last week, injuries occured at the weekend and we're now looking at the possibility of bringing him back.
Muggy
QUOTE (revolvingduck @ Sep 30 2008, 23:23) *
Mcintyre? Yeah, OK.



Cool. It just shows you how different our fan bases are, in terms of mentality. Rae is doing a terrible job, yet McIntyre is doing a very good job. The two teams are seperated by a single point.
Muggy
Incidently, I'm hearing rumours that McMenamin is out for 4 months with knee cruciate damage. Anyone confirm if this is true?

Super Tommy?
Juan Sara
QUOTE (The Arch @ Sep 30 2008, 23:07) *
This tactic isn't beyond McCall either, and I really dislike it. Last year we were playing brilliantly and then we head to Dens. He shuffles everyone around for DiGiacomo, who was shit btw, and we lose 3-0



I blame you losing your keeper in the warm up for your heavy defeat that day, he was woeful.
The ghost of Jim Morton
QUOTE (Muggy :) @ Oct 1 2008, 14:34) *
Incidently, I'm hearing rumours that McMenamin is out for 4 months with knee cruciate damage. Anyone confirm if this is true?

Super Tommy?



http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/output/2...1/gensport.shtm
Muggy
QUOTE (The ghost of Jim Morton @ Oct 1 2008, 17:12) *



Thanks for that, Jim. wink.gif

Terrible news again, but I suppose it came as no shock.

The Tele always find a way of cheering us up though:

QUOTE ( @ Oct 1 2008, 17.19) *
"...the Dark Blues are facing the kind of injury list that, if it was a script for Casualty, would be rejected because it was unbelievable."


Thought that was quite funny, actually. laugh.gif
Ludo *1
"On top of that, the mystery ankle problem that’s sidelined Darren Young since the first week of pre-season is still showing no signs of clearing."

"Young’s ankle has been scanned, but the medics are struggling to get to the bottom of the injury and there is no date yet for his likely return."

Suspicious, much?
VitalDees
QUOTE (Ludo *1 @ Oct 1 2008, 18:57) *
"On top of that, the mystery ankle problem that’s sidelined Darren Young since the first week of pre-season is still showing no signs of clearing."

"Young’s ankle has been scanned, but the medics are struggling to get to the bottom of the injury and there is no date yet for his likely return."

Suspicious, much?


Aye just a little. wink.gif From his ankle to him training to his calf to him training back to his ankle cause that was never cleared? He won't be here long surely something can be found as a breach of contract?
The Arch
QUOTE (Juan Sara @ Oct 1 2008, 17:09) *
I blame you losing your keeper in the warm up for your heavy defeat that day, he was woeful.

Was Hinchcliffe injured in the warm-up? I don't remember this. I do however remember Tuffey having an absolute nightmare, and getting his angles all wrong for Swankie's free kick.
Juan Sara
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 1 2008, 20:52) *
Was Hinchcliffe injured in the warm-up? I don't remember this. I do however remember Tuffey having an absolute nightmare, and getting his angles all wrong for Swankie's free kick.



I think so, you didn't have a keeper warming up at halftime and Tuffey was wearing the number 13.

His goal kicks were also terrible that day.
The Arch
QUOTE (Juan Sara @ Oct 1 2008, 23:40) *
I think so, you didn't have a keeper warming up at halftime and Tuffey was wearing the number 13.

His goal kicks were also terrible that day.

When Tuffey first joined he seemed to have a bit of a thing for wearing the number 13 jersey. I think he was always set to start that game and just wore that number because he liked it.

Also, Hinchy never gets shots taken into him at halftime. He just indulges his team mates with his witty banter, and generally acts as if he's an outfield player. A true proffessional.
Juan Sara
QUOTE (The Arch @ Oct 1 2008, 23:45) *
When Tuffey first joined he seemed to have a bit of a thing for wearing the number 13 jersey. I think he was always set to start that game and just wore that number because he liked it.

Also, Hinchy never gets shots taken into him at halftime. He just indulges his team mates with his witty banter, and generally acts as if he's an outfield player. A true proffessional.



Oh well, my mistake tongue.gif
doogster
QUOTE (EastFootball @ Sep 29 2008, 21:55) *
Oh jeez...

Er...starting XI on Saturday:

Douglas
Cowan Williams McKeown Malone
Daquin Pozniak Dodds Gilhaney
Davidson Antione-Curier


How fantastic would it be if Pozniak and Dodds prove to be the ideal partnership? laugh.gif
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I reckon if we get Craig Forsyth back from loan, he'll play LB and Eddie will play central. I'd give Eddie Mearns another go in place of... well anyone of the midfield really (except Dodds who I thought was OK at Perth). I'd also play Deasley from the start as both front men deserve to lose their places. I think the only chance we've got is if we adopt a siege mentality... and it's only the start of October FFS! Incidentally, I don't expect Mearns or Deasley to feature in the starting 11.



QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 22:55) *
I know being manager of our club can't be easy, but I have to disagree with most of that. First off, relegation was never a threat under Kernaghan. Next, Robertson, McDonald and Dixon would've developed no matter who was in charge. In fact, some may argue they would've done better under superior management. Only McDonald moving on was of benefit to the club. The situation with Dixon last season is a prime example of poor man management. For a while last year, there was also a big question mark over Rae's deployment of the midfield, with McDonald and Robertson at his disposal. I also think a better man would've sorted Swankie's attitude out and got him committed to Dundee. Despite all the shit being spouted about him, I'd take him over Gilhaney every time.

Rae has been given a decent budget every year since he took over, but he has been constantly building a new team, mostly due to his own poor signings. Three times this season we've started a player on a Saturday who only signed on the previous Thursday or Friday. Whilst I crave stability, Rae can't be beyond reproach for the shambles we currently find ourselves in.


I agree with just about all of that.

QUOTE (Stainrod's Fedora @ Sep 30 2008, 23:06) *
I know things were bad that season, and I agree Kernagan was bloody awful, but relegation was never going to happen. As for celebrating Duffy, I hold him solely responsible for us being in this hellhole of a league in the first place. Surely you agree with that.


Duffy didn't have the worst squad in the division. He should have been punted at the time but the dark blue blinkers kept him on. mad.gif
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