' The recession started
why dont you stay here'

What a joke.A disgusting war criminal with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis on his CV.Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

We're hiding them in the Copeland Road.

John Reid is preparing to regime change us.

Have you checked their favourite newspaper?

of all the papers published in the world you mean.the sun chain is a disgrace

Reid is simply vocalising the feeling of the majority of Celtic fans I would say, as he should.

"Fuck off Reid" has never passed his lips

You'll be writing SED upside doon I suppose

You have your anecdotal evidence, I have mine

I'd suggest that mine is so well informed that it's almost empirical

Produce this evidence I demand

empirical; from Wikipedia


Empirical, eh? Get in Einstein



It's anecdotal. Observed by my senses. From blokes in the pub

Indeed 10 people sitting around me at Celtic all support John Reid..therefore when extrapolated proves that there are no dissenters, or that they are so small as to be statistically irrelevant...I am a trained scientist after all




Falling over and projectile vomiting is wrong to describe as anecdotal evidence I'd suggest

You don't understand the word 'empirical' at all, do you.


Seville didn't happen

I'm a scientist I've been trained





See the bhoys are doing us proud in Spainland tonight, we might have lost but our fans will receive all the plaudits going

Funnily enough, at the dons games before it started a drunk wandered into the row in front of me and sat down...not somethng I'm used to seeing at Celtic park these days...worse still he had a bottle of tonic wine "hidden" under a jackets which he took swings out of without anyone noticing. He then proceeded to "swear" ina loud manner which prompted the steward near me to see him and come up and quietly tell him to stop being abusive...still never noticed the bottle...he then wandered off and I never seen him again. Not the most exciting story, I'll most likely cut that from my autobiography

To do what?

One of my former co-workers worked on you big electronic doughnut in cuckoo clock land you know

I myself have chaired meetings and asked for Coffee to be sent in, I also drunk large quantities of pyridine as an ingredient of Karl Fisher reagent, I think it's why I'm on tablets currently

Surely this isn't the same John reid who in the words of George Galloway,
"taught a whole generation of Labour activists, including yours truly, the entire IRA songbook".

Pot & kettle.

yes ... during the 60s. 40yrs ago!!!! newsflash Catholic man in glasgow in 1960s sings IRA song
ps i love galloway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRzVaBZscBA

because supporting rangers goes hand in hand with crass stupidity.

seems like supporting st mirren goes hand in hand with asinine generalisations

He isn't speaking on your behalf though, or is he?

You letting slip there?

Bit OT, but I want to put it in here rather than bring a new topic



Congratulations Celtic fans forums, you make the papers.

AGAIN.

Whataboutery.

Don't give a toss about the wife beating slob but would stop short of wanting him to die.

Still, your lot seem adament to shooting yourselves in the foot every time we do something wrong. You always have something to get yourself in it as well.

Mind you, there's the Death Sweepstakes on P&B ("Dead Pool"), which I've not joined...

if he had any morals he would publicly criticise the song sheet of celtic supporters with their songs about a outlawed terrorist organisation ... but that is highly unlikely as he himself is as every bit as bad as the scum for singing the songs himself ... and not forgetting that disgusting song about killing novo in his sleep .... even though he is a wee diving c**t ... i wouldn't sing such ditties about the guy .... Celtic are a shower of hypocrites they are as every bit as bad and vile as their pals from govan

...which proves this is a nothing story.

Cui bono?

As for Gascoigne, sadly to all intents and purposes he is already dead. Somebody recently posted a you tube link here of him unconsciously babbling about the Pope amongst other religious imagery.

The great psychologist C.G. Jung, an important figure in the genesis of Alcoholics Anonymous, suggested the formula "spiritus contra spiritum". He noted that the spirit of religious belief was generally the only hope for those so far down the road of alcoholic spirit abuse.

So I think some sort of 'conversion' represents his only chance of defying the internet naysayers. What's more his own unconscious is demonstrably guiding him in this direction but its message is going unheeded because he keeps the company of morons and remains steeped in hunnery.

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I knew you wouldn't let me down

Show Racism the Red Card calls upon supporters of all clubs to refrain from singing songs and participating in behaviour that contravenes footballing regulations as outlined by FIFA, UEFA and the SPL and that may result in possible prosecution from the police.



We refer to "The Famine Song" which is being sung by sections of the Rangers support. We are of the opinion that this song is racist. Both Rangers Football Club and Strathclyde Police have stated that anyone singing this song risked being arrested. UEFA guidelines stipulate that "racial abuse" or "discrimination" is not confined to skin colour. It can also be reflected in abuse for being foreign or from an ethnic minority background.



The focus is often on the behaviour of Old Firm fans but we also refer to songs that 'celebrate' the Ibrox disaster and incite death threats against players that are often sung by fans of other clubs. We believe that all of these songs have no place in football or society. We welcome the recent statements from both Rangers and Celtic relating to these matters.



With the support from clubs across the country football fans have greatly improved their behaviour over the years but we cannot be complacent. History tells us that supporters will always taunt each other. But when songs and behaviour are racist and encourage acts of violence we all must make a stance and eradicate it from football and society.



Show Racism the Red Card will continue to work with football clubs, supporters groups and communities throughout Scotland. Our education programmes in schools will hopefully ensure that future generations will not indulge in unsporting and unlawful behaviour. To paraphrase a famous quote we look forward to a day when people will be judged on the content of their character and not on the colour of their skin or their country of origin.




Source: Show Racism the Red Card

So the east end of glasgow is now a new country?

Lets not get back into the argument of who the song is aimed at.

Clearly we have contradicting views. Starting on this song is just opening a can of worms IMHO.

Why? Your fans clearly can't take a telling and maybe it's about time something drastic is done to stop it. The club issued a statement asking the fans to stop it but they can't help themselves.

Rotten to the core loyal.

POSITION STATEMENT ON ‘THE FAMINE SONG’ Friday, 03 October 2008 POSITION STATEMENT ON ‘THE FAMINE SONG’, ACCUSATIONS OF ‘RACISM’
AND DR JOHN REID’S SEPTEMBER 2008 LETTER TO THE CELTIC SUPPORT

BACKGROUND

The Board of the Rangers Supporters’ Trust believes that Celtic Chairman John Reid’s letter to his club’s supporters in September 2008 referring to a four-line chant sung by Rangers fans (colloquially known as ‘The Famine Song’) deserves a full and public response.

We view Dr Reid’s letter as the latest salvo in a campaign largely based on misinformation and driven by a sectarian political agenda. Ideally a response to this nonsense would come from the Chairman of Rangers Football Club, but in the absence of this the Rangers Supporters’ Trust has no hesitation in absolutely rejecting accusations of ‘racism’ made by Reid and other prominent Celtic apologists.

RACISM

Most impartial observers understand that racism is what was aimed at England player Emile Heskey in Zagreb on 10 September. Or closer to home, the shameful racist abuse aimed at Mark Walters at Celtic Park on 2 January 1988. ‘Racism’ is not a wind-up, however distasteful, aimed at Scottish Celtic fans and in rejecting these specious accusations the Trust restates our opposition to racism and sectarianism, which stands comparison to any other similar body:



<!--[if !supportLists]-->

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The RST sponsors the Walter Tull Trophy, named in honour of the 1^st black commissioned officer in the British Army and contested by Rangers and Spurs:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The Trust has close links with the local Asian Community and sponsors a number of season tickets which give local kids the chance to attend and support Rangers;

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The Trust organised and hosted the 2007 ‘Gers Pride’ Conference at Ibrox, involving high-profile speakers from Northern Ireland, Germany, academics and MPs in debate around positive aspects of identity and support;

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The Trust was closely involved in the successful ‘self-policing’ initiative and has consistently sought to engage Rangers in meaningful dialogue with the Rangers support about culture, identity, behaviour and tradition;

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The sole external link on the RST website front page is for ‘Show Racism The Red Card Scotland’.



SCOTS-IRISH COMMUNITY ISSUES

Dr Reid is entirely wrong in stating that ‘The Famine Song’ is “directed against the community of Irish descent in Scotland”, if for no other reason than many of those Rangers fans who sing this song are themselves of Irish descent. That such an obviously fallacious statement is unchallenged exposes the sheer poverty of public debate on this issue. The Trust asserts that Dr Reid has no right to appoint himself as a spokesperson on behalf of Scots of Irish descent, or to speak for anyone except himself or the Football Club he works for.


Dr Reid’s statement; “the Famine is non-sectarian and millions of people who died or were forced into mass emigration were from all faiths and traditions within Ireland” also contradicts his own assertion that the Famine Song is ‘racist’. If a song refers to a ‘non-sectarian’ event which affected ‘all faiths and traditions’, how can it possibly be racist – or sectarian, for that matter?


The historical reality is that Scotland received relatively few immigrants from Ireland as a result of the Famine, the vast majority havingarrived before or long after.^[1] Notwithstanding, Celtic FC choose to play two songs over the stadium PA on home match days referring to the Famine: ‘The Fields of Athenry’ and ‘Let the People Sing’. The reasons for this are puzzling, but Dr Reid’s inflated rhetoric condemns a song which, far from being some sick ‘celebration’ of human tragedy is actually a mocking response to Celtic fans' tenuous, borderline obsessive, affiliations with the Republic of Ireland. As we demonstrate below, this is based predominantly on support for violent Irish Republicanism, the crudest anti-British rhetoric and a mentality rooted firmly in victimhood, regardless of the evidence. We believe such a position is no basis for making objective assessments about racism.
<!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->
<!--[endif]--> TACKLING SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES

1) CELTIC FC


The Trust believes that Dr Reid’s efforts would be better spent putting his own house in order. We note with great interest his statement that he will “condemn, without equivocation, the use of any chants or songs which can be interpreted as support for religious or ethnic hatred, or for acts of violence.” The Trust fully supports Dr Reid in this laudable aim and believes it would be helpful to detail the following.

Large sections of the Celtic support regularly indulge in vile chants celebrating the deaths of Rangers players such as Davie Cooper; laud the IRA’s sectarian murder gang with songs such as ‘Boys Of The Old Brigade’, ‘Roll Of Honour’ and ‘Sean South of Garryowen’; have Celtic Supporters Clubs named after IRA members such as Tom Williams; sing sectarian abuse at Rangers fans, employees and players, using phrases such as 'orange b*stards', 'huns' and 'animals'; celebrated the death of 66 innocent people in January 1971; sing “soon they’ll be no Protestants at all” in their version of ‘On The One Road’; sing “and when the music stops, F*ck King Billy and John Knox” and “Oh it’s great to be a Roman Catholic” in their version of ‘Roamin’ In The Gloamin’; abuse members of the Royal Family; and sing that they hope a Roman Catholic Rangers player, Nacho Novo, is murdered in his bed by the IRA. These are not the actions of an inclusive organisation ‘open to all’.

This behaviour would, in any normal society, be worthy of at least the same level of political comment and sustained media scrutiny as the song at issue. Despite the best efforts of Messrs. Reid, Lawwell and their cheerleaders, these are far from the actions of a small minority and the Rangers support wishes Dr Reid every success in taking the “stringent action” needed to tackle this abhorrent behaviour.

2) RANGERS FC

We believe that if the Club had treated the original complaints about ‘The Famine Song’ with the contempt they deserved, emanating as they did from the lunatic fringe of the Celtic support, ridiculous charges of ‘racism’ would have evaporated. Dr Reid’s letter is not in our view about tackling problems of racism and sectarianism. It is a thinly-veiled attempt, supported by the usual suspects, to beat Rangers FC and Rangers fans with a convenient stick. Nor have Strathclyde Police or the Procurator Fiscal given any cogent reasons why this chant breaches legislation.

The Trust takes this opportunity to make a public appeal to both the Chairman and the Chief Executive of Rangers FC. It is regrettable that a week after the Chief Executive issued an eloquent written plea for supporters to stop singing ‘The Famine Song’ at the home tie against Motherwell, the away support sang the song loudly and frequently at Easter Road. Our view is that this is yet more evidence of the absence of meaningful relationships between the Club’s senior leadership and the wider support, and the Trust repeats the offer it has made many times in private, to help build and develop such a relationship, essential if Club and support are to move forward together.

We firmly believe for all those who love Rangers that self-regulation, an engagement based on shared values, around an inclusive common identity celebrating the best of our traditions and built on mutual respect, represents the only viable way forward. The sooner we start to identify that common ground and move together, the better for all parts of the Rangers family.

(1) Brenda Collins in 'Irish Immigrants And Scottish Society' states that between the 1851 and 1871 census years, the number of Irish-born Scots remained virtually static at around 207,000.

In the period 1876 to 1921, she states that some 94,000 Irish immigrants came to Scotland, with a considerable number from Ulster. In Graham Walker's book, 'Intimate Strangers', the 1931 Scottish census showed that the total number of Irish-born was then 124,296, 2.5% of the total population, with 55% of these born in what was now Northern Ireland. Immigration to Scotland during and following the First World War was heavily from the Republic.

POSITION STATEMENT ON ‘THE FAMINE SONG’ Friday, 03 October 2008 POSITION STATEMENT ON ‘THE FAMINE SONG’, ACCUSATIONS OF ‘RACISM’
AND DR JOHN REID’S SEPTEMBER 2008 LETTER TO THE CELTIC SUPPORT

BACKGROUND

The Board of the Rangers Supporters’ Trust believes that Celtic Chairman John Reid’s letter to his club’s supporters in September 2008 referring to a four-line chant sung by Rangers fans (colloquially known as ‘The Famine Song’) deserves a full and public response.

We view Dr Reid’s letter as the latest salvo in a campaign largely based on misinformation and driven by a sectarian political agenda. Ideally a response to this nonsense would come from the Chairman of Rangers Football Club, but in the absence of this the Rangers Supporters’ Trust has no hesitation in absolutely rejecting accusations of ‘racism’ made by Reid and other prominent Celtic apologists.

RACISM

Most impartial observers understand that racism is what was aimed at England player Emile Heskey in Zagreb on 10 September. Or closer to home, the shameful racist abuse aimed at Mark Walters at Celtic Park on 2 January 1988. ‘Racism’ is not a wind-up, however distasteful, aimed at Scottish Celtic fans and in rejecting these specious accusations the Trust restates our opposition to racism and sectarianism, which stands comparison to any other similar body:



<!--[if !supportLists]-->

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The RST sponsors the Walter Tull Trophy, named in honour of the 1^st black commissioned officer in the British Army and contested by Rangers and Spurs:

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The Trust has close links with the local Asian Community and sponsors a number of season tickets which give local kids the chance to attend and support Rangers;

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The Trust organised and hosted the 2007 ‘Gers Pride’ Conference at Ibrox, involving high-profile speakers from Northern Ireland, Germany, academics and MPs in debate around positive aspects of identity and support;

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The Trust was closely involved in the successful ‘self-policing’ initiative and has consistently sought to engage Rangers in meaningful dialogue with the Rangers support about culture, identity, behaviour and tradition;

<!--[if !supportLists]-->· <!--[endif]-->The sole external link on the RST website front page is for ‘Show Racism The Red Card Scotland’.



SCOTS-IRISH COMMUNITY ISSUES

Dr Reid is entirely wrong in stating that ‘The Famine Song’ is “directed against the community of Irish descent in Scotland”, if for no other reason than many of those Rangers fans who sing this song are themselves of Irish descent. That such an obviously fallacious statement is unchallenged exposes the sheer poverty of public debate on this issue. The Trust asserts that Dr Reid has no right to appoint himself as a spokesperson on behalf of Scots of Irish descent, or to speak for anyone except himself or the Football Club he works for.


Dr Reid’s statement; “the Famine is non-sectarian and millions of people who died or were forced into mass emigration were from all faiths and traditions within Ireland” also contradicts his own assertion that the Famine Song is ‘racist’. If a song refers to a ‘non-sectarian’ event which affected ‘all faiths and traditions’, how can it possibly be racist – or sectarian, for that matter?


The historical reality is that Scotland received relatively few immigrants from Ireland as a result of the Famine, the vast majority havingarrived before or long after.^[1] Notwithstanding, Celtic FC choose to play two songs over the stadium PA on home match days referring to the Famine: ‘The Fields of Athenry’ and ‘Let the People Sing’. The reasons for this are puzzling, but Dr Reid’s inflated rhetoric condemns a song which, far from being some sick ‘celebration’ of human tragedy is actually a mocking response to Celtic fans' tenuous, borderline obsessive, affiliations with the Republic of Ireland. As we demonstrate below, this is based predominantly on support for violent Irish Republicanism, the crudest anti-British rhetoric and a mentality rooted firmly in victimhood, regardless of the evidence. We believe such a position is no basis for making objective assessments about racism.
<!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->
<!--[endif]--> TACKLING SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES

1) CELTIC FC


The Trust believes that Dr Reid’s efforts would be better spent putting his own house in order. We note with great interest his statement that he will “condemn, without equivocation, the use of any chants or songs which can be interpreted as support for religious or ethnic hatred, or for acts of violence.” The Trust fully supports Dr Reid in this laudable aim and believes it would be helpful to detail the following.

Large sections of the Celtic support regularly indulge in vile chants celebrating the deaths of Rangers players such as Davie Cooper; laud the IRA’s sectarian murder gang with songs such as ‘Boys Of The Old Brigade’, ‘Roll Of Honour’ and ‘Sean South of Garryowen’; have Celtic Supporters Clubs named after IRA members such as Tom Williams; sing sectarian abuse at Rangers fans, employees and players, using phrases such as 'orange b*stards', 'huns' and 'animals'; celebrated the death of 66 innocent people in January 1971; sing “soon they’ll be no Protestants at all” in their version of ‘On The One Road’; sing “and when the music stops, F*ck King Billy and John Knox” and “Oh it’s great to be a Roman Catholic” in their version of ‘Roamin’ In The Gloamin’; abuse members of the Royal Family; and sing that they hope a Roman Catholic Rangers player, Nacho Novo, is murdered in his bed by the IRA. These are not the actions of an inclusive organisation ‘open to all’.

This behaviour would, in any normal society, be worthy of at least the same level of political comment and sustained media scrutiny as the song at issue. Despite the best efforts of Messrs. Reid, Lawwell and their cheerleaders, these are far from the actions of a small minority and the Rangers support wishes Dr Reid every success in taking the “stringent action” needed to tackle this abhorrent behaviour.

2) RANGERS FC

We believe that if the Club had treated the original complaints about ‘The Famine Song’ with the contempt they deserved, emanating as they did from the lunatic fringe of the Celtic support, ridiculous charges of ‘racism’ would have evaporated. Dr Reid’s letter is not in our view about tackling problems of racism and sectarianism. It is a thinly-veiled attempt, supported by the usual suspects, to beat Rangers FC and Rangers fans with a convenient stick. Nor have Strathclyde Police or the Procurator Fiscal given any cogent reasons why this chant breaches legislation.

The Trust takes this opportunity to make a public appeal to both the Chairman and the Chief Executive of Rangers FC. It is regrettable that a week after the Chief Executive issued an eloquent written plea for supporters to stop singing ‘The Famine Song’ at the home tie against Motherwell, the away support sang the song loudly and frequently at Easter Road. Our view is that this is yet more evidence of the absence of meaningful relationships between the Club’s senior leadership and the wider support, and the Trust repeats the offer it has made many times in private, to help build and develop such a relationship, essential if Club and support are to move forward together.

We firmly believe for all those who love Rangers that self-regulation, an engagement based on shared values, around an inclusive common identity celebrating the best of our traditions and built on mutual respect, represents the only viable way forward. The sooner we start to identify that common ground and move together, the better for all parts of the Rangers family.

(1) Brenda Collins in 'Irish Immigrants And Scottish Society' states that between the 1851 and 1871 census years, the number of Irish-born Scots remained virtually static at around 207,000.

In the period 1876 to 1921, she states that some 94,000 Irish immigrants came to Scotland, with a considerable number from Ulster. In Graham Walker's book, 'Intimate Strangers', the 1931 Scottish census showed that the total number of Irish-born was then 124,296, 2.5% of the total population, with 55% of these born in what was now Northern Ireland. Immigration to Scotland during and following the First World War was heavily from the Republic.

That's what i was thinking.

It isn't something new, 'Dead pools' 'Ghoul pools' etc have been going around for years.

That's why Ger's fans should never vote Labour, it's full of Tim's who feather the nest of the plastic paddy, Glasgow City Council is the same, time for Conservative and Unionist Party!

Ah good old facts Bewlay...Tims have no answer. I have to say that both Murray and Bain have yet again let down the Rangers Support. They let a war criminal and supporter of the PIRA attack the support without any reply??