From the OS.
Gordon Chisholm is waiting on fitness reports on four players before naming his line-up for Saturday's crucial top of the table clash with Livingston.
Said the manager this afternoon, "Sean O'Connor was in for light training this morning and he'll train again tomorrow. The swelling in his knee is down and it would be great to get him back for such an important match. But, if he doesn't make it for Saturday, I'm quietly confident he'll be OK for our next fixture.
"Jamie McQuilken is still suffering with his ribs while both Bobby Harris and Gary Arbuckle have had a slight recurrance of their injuries. None of them trained this morning, however I'd like to think that all three may be in contention when I name the side on the morning of the match".
Full Version: Queen Of The South Versus Livingston
QUOTE (thruthenight @ Oct 2 2008, 13:38) 
McPake is out. Foot injury. We're fecked.
3-1 Queens.
3-1 Queens.
Will make it more difficult for certain, but i wouldn't give up all hope.
We're better at scoring goals now than in earlier games when we lost with McPake out, makes you wonder how many goals we're going to see in this game though. 
This is why I waited until now to make a prediction. Without McPake I really don't fancy our chances. We'll likely chuck in a young central defender who hasn't impressed me this season (he was good with McPake last year) and lose quite comfortably as I can't see him bailing us our like McPake does at times. I was worried about this game much more than I was when we played Dundee and I don't see any signs of this changing before 3pm on Saturday.
Even though I'm an optomist when it comes to football, I can only see a result like 1/2-0 Queens.
Even though I'm an optomist when it comes to football, I can only see a result like 1/2-0 Queens.
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Oct 2 2008, 15:59)
This is why I waited until now to make a prediction. Without McPake I really don't fancy our chances. We'll likely chuck in a young central defender who hasn't impressed me this season (he was good with McPake last year) and lose quite comfortably as I can't see him bailing us our like McPake does at times. I was worried about this game much more than I was when we played Dundee and I don't see any signs of this changing before 3pm on Saturday.
Even though I'm an optomist when it comes to football, I can only see a result like 1/2-0 Queens.
Even though I'm an optomist when it comes to football, I can only see a result like 1/2-0 Queens.
Sorry, but it will be 4-1 to Queens
with mcpake out im going to change my opinion to an absolute goalfest!4-3 to someone(dunno who though!)
From a Queens fans point of view it seems like we have been discussing the latest "big match" for about 6 months now, factor in all the games from our "great escape" periods and it is about two and a half years! Still better than being a mid-table diddy team, like Dundee, playing meaningless games every week! 
Chisholm has made it clear already this season that he is going to shuffle his pack quite regularly, even with injuries aside. This is not something I particularly favour, especially now we have been eliminated from the three cups that may have acted as a distraction. With a rotation policy sometimes it will work, other times it won't. Playing McGowan and Arbuckle against Clyde certainly worked, they both proved the point that they wanted to, and helped tremendously towards a great win.
Will they play as well against Livingston? It could be argued that Broadwood probably felt like more of a home game than it would've been at Palmy due to the number of years they spent at Clyde. Does that mean we replace them with Burns (presumably now fit), and McQuilken (rated possible), players most people would have in their first choice XI. If so what kind of message does that send to the aforementioned? Personally I wouldn't like to a see a winning team being changed, even though I don't rate it as our best on paper.
I don't think it is coincidence that this season we have seen two clearly different Queens teams from a performance point of view, and several different selections and formations. The cliché, "you don't know what team is going to turn up" has never been more relevant.
Perhaps I am living in the past, and rotation and altering tactics to match the opposition is the way forward for Queens. I just feel that we have a starting XI of which about 9 or 10 positions pick themselves, a standard 442 formation that plays to the strengths of the team, and a mindset on how to play the game that the supporters enjoy, and the opposition know is going to give them a tough match.
The above wittering cleverly disguises the fact I have know idea how Saturday will go. We have the best defensive record in the league so despite it being a home game, we should look to use a clean sheet as a building block to at least secure a point. I'm predicting a great battle between the two Hearts loanees (Sives and Elliot), lets hope Elliot doesn't dance his way through our defence! If we ditch the long ball game Dobbs should be good for at least a goal as always. If there is any risk in involved in bringing back any of the injured players then I wouldn't bother, the international break should ensure they are raring to go for the Airdrie game.
If we win it will be by a single goal I'd imagine, with a crowd around the 3000 mark. However nice 4000 would be I just can't see it I'm afraid.
Chisholm has made it clear already this season that he is going to shuffle his pack quite regularly, even with injuries aside. This is not something I particularly favour, especially now we have been eliminated from the three cups that may have acted as a distraction. With a rotation policy sometimes it will work, other times it won't. Playing McGowan and Arbuckle against Clyde certainly worked, they both proved the point that they wanted to, and helped tremendously towards a great win.
Will they play as well against Livingston? It could be argued that Broadwood probably felt like more of a home game than it would've been at Palmy due to the number of years they spent at Clyde. Does that mean we replace them with Burns (presumably now fit), and McQuilken (rated possible), players most people would have in their first choice XI. If so what kind of message does that send to the aforementioned? Personally I wouldn't like to a see a winning team being changed, even though I don't rate it as our best on paper.
I don't think it is coincidence that this season we have seen two clearly different Queens teams from a performance point of view, and several different selections and formations. The cliché, "you don't know what team is going to turn up" has never been more relevant.
Perhaps I am living in the past, and rotation and altering tactics to match the opposition is the way forward for Queens. I just feel that we have a starting XI of which about 9 or 10 positions pick themselves, a standard 442 formation that plays to the strengths of the team, and a mindset on how to play the game that the supporters enjoy, and the opposition know is going to give them a tough match.
The above wittering cleverly disguises the fact I have know idea how Saturday will go. We have the best defensive record in the league so despite it being a home game, we should look to use a clean sheet as a building block to at least secure a point. I'm predicting a great battle between the two Hearts loanees (Sives and Elliot), lets hope Elliot doesn't dance his way through our defence! If we ditch the long ball game Dobbs should be good for at least a goal as always. If there is any risk in involved in bringing back any of the injured players then I wouldn't bother, the international break should ensure they are raring to go for the Airdrie game.
If we win it will be by a single goal I'd imagine, with a crowd around the 3000 mark. However nice 4000 would be I just can't see it I'm afraid.
QUOTE (palmy_cammy @ Oct 2 2008, 17:42)
5 pages before a link isn't too shabby!
QUOTE (el bawbag @ Oct 2 2008, 18:00)
5 pages before a link isn't too shabby!
I fully expected to be shot down for being "so last year" or similar, but it is too damn funny to be ignored.
In related news does anyone know what happens when you play as Partick on football mana......
QUOTE (AldoLeon @ Oct 2 2008, 10:09)
This is gonna be a tough game for Livi. Remember we are playing againest a side who were in europe longer than Rangers this season
A draw would be good enough for us, a win would be magic. If we do lose this game it won't be the end of the world because I don't feel Qos can stay top for long sadly if they were to beat us - its the Dundees and Particks we will have to worry about and we have beaten them easily enough already. But one thing is for sure Queen of the South will be far from an easy game, a great test for this new era.
A draw would be good enough for us, a win would be magic. If we do lose this game it won't be the end of the world because I don't feel Qos can stay top for long sadly if they were to beat us - its the Dundees and Particks we will have to worry about and we have beaten them easily enough already. But one thing is for sure Queen of the South will be far from an easy game, a great test for this new era.
find that a strange thing to say. Don't get me wrong im not saying that we can stay at the top of the table, but i now feel that our team and also our club as a whole now consider ourselves to be a strong first division club. Obviously we had those two seasons where we stayed up by the skin of our teeth, but clyde apart, we've been in this league for more seasons in a row than anyone else. Our crowds are as good as particks (if not better) but admittedly not as good as dundee's, and to be honest, i'd take our squad of players over particks and dundees any day of the week.
Come on QoS.... My Livi supporting boss has bet me that it will be a 1-4 win for them. 
QUOTE (Palmerston_1919 @ Oct 2 2008, 18:14)
find that a strange thing to say. Don't get me wrong im not saying that we can stay at the top of the table, but i now feel that our team and also our club as a whole now consider ourselves to be a strong first division club. Obviously we had those two seasons where we stayed up by the skin of our teeth, but clyde apart, we've been in this league for more seasons in a row than anyone else. Our crowds are as good as particks (if not better) but admittedly not as good as dundee's, and to be honest, i'd take our squad of players over particks and dundees any day of the week.
Bit premature there aren't you
first have to get there.I'd say QoS was as strong as any team in this Div, would say your stronger than Partick anyway, i'd put Livi and Partick on equal footing in terms of staying power, QoS, StJ's and Dundee the 3 strongest squads/teams on paper, but that seems to go for feckall so far, didn't think Livi would be top at all, let alone for 5 weeks, right now i'd say you were the faves to win the league as it's doubtful we can stay top all through the season, but you never know, that's what makes football so good, especialy in this league.
QUOTE (audiTT @ Oct 2 2008, 21:52)
Come on QoS.... My Livi supporting boss has bet me that it will be a 1-4 win for them.
Much is the bet, hell of a good odds for you winning if the score has to be 4-1 Livi lol.
QUOTE (palmy_cammy @ Oct 2 2008, 17:42)
From a Queens fans point of view it seems like we have been discussing the latest "big match" for about 6 months now, factor in all the games from our "great escape" periods and it is about two and a half years! Still better than being a mid-table diddy team, like Dundee, playing meaningless games every week!
Chisholm has made it clear already this season that he is going to shuffle his pack quite regularly, even with injuries aside. This is not something I particularly favour, especially now we have been eliminated from the three cups that may have acted as a distraction. With a rotation policy sometimes it will work, other times it won't. Playing McGowan and Arbuckle against Clyde certainly worked, they both proved the point that they wanted to, and helped tremendously towards a great win.
Will they play as well against Livingston? It could be argued that Broadwood probably felt like more of a home game than it would've been at Palmy due to the number of years they spent at Clyde. Does that mean we replace them with Burns (presumably now fit), and McQuilken (rated possible), players most people would have in their first choice XI. If so what kind of message does that send to the aforementioned? Personally I wouldn't like to a see a winning team being changed, even though I don't rate it as our best on paper.
I don't think it is coincidence that this season we have seen two clearly different Queens teams from a performance point of view, and several different selections and formations. The cliché, "you don't know what team is going to turn up" has never been more relevant.
Perhaps I am living in the past, and rotation and altering tactics to match the opposition is the way forward for Queens. I just feel that we have a starting XI of which about 9 or 10 positions pick themselves, a standard 442 formation that plays to the strengths of the team, and a mindset on how to play the game that the supporters enjoy, and the opposition know is going to give them a tough match.
The above wittering cleverly disguises the fact I have know idea how Saturday will go. We have the best defensive record in the league so despite it being a home game, we should look to use a clean sheet as a building block to at least secure a point. I'm predicting a great battle between the two Hearts loanees (Sives and Elliot), lets hope Elliot doesn't dance his way through our defence! If we ditch the long ball game Dobbs should be good for at least a goal as always. If there is any risk in involved in bringing back any of the injured players then I wouldn't bother, the international break should ensure they are raring to go for the Airdrie game.
If we win it will be by a single goal I'd imagine, with a crowd around the 3000 mark. However nice 4000 would be I just can't see it I'm afraid.
Chisholm has made it clear already this season that he is going to shuffle his pack quite regularly, even with injuries aside. This is not something I particularly favour, especially now we have been eliminated from the three cups that may have acted as a distraction. With a rotation policy sometimes it will work, other times it won't. Playing McGowan and Arbuckle against Clyde certainly worked, they both proved the point that they wanted to, and helped tremendously towards a great win.
Will they play as well against Livingston? It could be argued that Broadwood probably felt like more of a home game than it would've been at Palmy due to the number of years they spent at Clyde. Does that mean we replace them with Burns (presumably now fit), and McQuilken (rated possible), players most people would have in their first choice XI. If so what kind of message does that send to the aforementioned? Personally I wouldn't like to a see a winning team being changed, even though I don't rate it as our best on paper.
I don't think it is coincidence that this season we have seen two clearly different Queens teams from a performance point of view, and several different selections and formations. The cliché, "you don't know what team is going to turn up" has never been more relevant.
Perhaps I am living in the past, and rotation and altering tactics to match the opposition is the way forward for Queens. I just feel that we have a starting XI of which about 9 or 10 positions pick themselves, a standard 442 formation that plays to the strengths of the team, and a mindset on how to play the game that the supporters enjoy, and the opposition know is going to give them a tough match.
The above wittering cleverly disguises the fact I have know idea how Saturday will go. We have the best defensive record in the league so despite it being a home game, we should look to use a clean sheet as a building block to at least secure a point. I'm predicting a great battle between the two Hearts loanees (Sives and Elliot), lets hope Elliot doesn't dance his way through our defence! If we ditch the long ball game Dobbs should be good for at least a goal as always. If there is any risk in involved in bringing back any of the injured players then I wouldn't bother, the international break should ensure they are raring to go for the Airdrie game.
If we win it will be by a single goal I'd imagine, with a crowd around the 3000 mark. However nice 4000 would be I just can't see it I'm afraid.
I know what your saying. Im of the "pick your best 11 and let the opposition wory about you" school too
However, I think the team selection last week was spot on. As you say, Arbuckle and McGowan had something to prove, but if you consider we won that game without starting O'Connor, McFarlane, Burns, Barr, McQuilken or Weatherston, it must leave the squad in a stronger position. As I said earlier, the only two positions up for debate when everyones fit, as far as Im concerned, are right back and left midfield. It'll be interesting to see if Chisholm thinks the same on Saturday
QUOTE (Palmerston_1919 @ Oct 2 2008, 18:14)
find that a strange thing to say. Don't get me wrong im not saying that we can stay at the top of the table, but i now feel that our team and also our club as a whole now consider ourselves to be a strong first division club. Obviously we had those two seasons where we stayed up by the skin of our teeth, but clyde apart, we've been in this league for more seasons in a row than anyone else. Our crowds are as good as particks (if not better) but admittedly not as good as dundee's, and to be honest, i'd take our squad of players over particks and dundees any day of the week.
I think most, if not all, sane Queens fans said during the summer that we had one of the strongest first 11s in the division but necessarily the squad to win the leauge. I still think thats true, but whats pretty evident after the first quarter is that no one else seems to either.
I really think this years first division is as open as its ever been and any of 6 teams could realistically win it.
Watched training yesterday and various defensive formations were tried out because of Jamsie being out. My guess is that the one used is Murray Davidson and Chris Innes at centre back with MacKay on the right and Talbot on the left.
Roddy was in goals while Martini was getting specialised coaching on his own. I would have thought it would have been better for him to play to get a better understanding with the defence so maybe Roddy is in line for the game?
Calum Elliot looked part of the squad and enjoying training while Rocco Quinn looked out of things and disinterested. Sparky was back to full fitness.
I'm going for a scoring draw.
Roddy was in goals while Martini was getting specialised coaching on his own. I would have thought it would have been better for him to play to get a better understanding with the defence so maybe Roddy is in line for the game?
Calum Elliot looked part of the squad and enjoying training while Rocco Quinn looked out of things and disinterested. Sparky was back to full fitness.
I'm going for a scoring draw.
I haven't seen Kauto or Distant Doonhamer do this yet so I will:
Queens 1 - 4 Livi
Queens 1 - 4 Livi
QUOTE (Ross @ Oct 3 2008, 12:14)
I haven't seen Kauto or Distant Doonhamer do this yet so I will:
Queens 1 - 4 Livi
Queens 1 - 4 Livi
Excellent work. I just came on to check if Kuato had applied the magic score prediction.
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Oct 2 2008, 16:59)
Even though I'm an optomist when it comes to football, I can only see a result like 1/2-0 Queens.
How do you score half a goal?
QUOTE (gatehouseqos @ Sep 29 2008, 21:21)
Last time he played left back he was poor though.
of course he didn't play well
he couldn't have done much better, he hasn't had a game in ages. The only way for him to improve is for him to get a game.
QUOTE (RoryN @ Oct 3 2008, 14:21)
How do you score half a goal?
It only went halfway over the line.
QUOTE (Mr X @ Oct 3 2008, 00:20)
I think most, if not all, sane Queens fans said during the summer that we had one of the strongest first 11s in the division but necessarily the squad to win the leauge. I still think thats true, but whats pretty evident after the first quarter is that no one else seems to either.
I really think this years first division is as open as its ever been and any of 6 teams could realistically win it.
I really think this years first division is as open as its ever been and any of 6 teams could realistically win it.
I'd agree that it's wide open and I can see the winning points total being relatively low this season. None of that is bad though, and it's it's at least absorbing to take an interest in a division where this is so, despite only one promotion spot being available.
I can't go along with the idea of us as favourites for the title though. To move from among the relegation favourites (at least with the bookies) to being fancied for the title, on the back of a cup run which only really included one unlikely victory, is a bit daft.
The fact that we've actually played quite poorly in nearly half our games also offers me no encouragement, although I accept that the oposite conclusion could be drawn from the same evidence.
It will probably take a win tomorow followed by six points from the upcoming away games for 'getting carried away' status to truly kick in.
I can't see it.
QUOTE (Toby Fair @ Oct 3 2008, 21:10)
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I'd agree that it's wide open and I can see the winning points total being relatively low this season. None of that is bad though, and it's it's at least absorbing to take an interest in a division where this is so, despite only one promotion spot being available.
I can't go along with the idea of us as favourites for the title though. To move from among the relegation favourites (at least with the bookies) to being fancied for the title, on the back of a cup run which only really included one unlikely victory, is a bit daft.
The fact that we've actually played quite poorly in nearly half our games also offers me no encouragement, although I accept that the oposite conclusion could be drawn from the same evidence.
It will probably take a win tomorow followed by six points from the upcoming away games for 'getting carried away' status to truly kick in.
I can't see it.
I'd agree that it's wide open and I can see the winning points total being relatively low this season. None of that is bad though, and it's it's at least absorbing to take an interest in a division where this is so, despite only one promotion spot being available.
I can't go along with the idea of us as favourites for the title though. To move from among the relegation favourites (at least with the bookies) to being fancied for the title, on the back of a cup run which only really included one unlikely victory, is a bit daft.
The fact that we've actually played quite poorly in nearly half our games also offers me no encouragement, although I accept that the oposite conclusion could be drawn from the same evidence.
It will probably take a win tomorow followed by six points from the upcoming away games for 'getting carried away' status to truly kick in.
I can't see it.
Difficult to disagree with anything there.
QUOTE (LIVIFOREVER @ Oct 2 2008, 23:32)
Much is the bet, hell of a good odds for you winning if the score has to be 4-1 Livi lol.
Ha ha..... It's £10 and hope you're right.
Why has the Skyline Drifter stopped posting as much these days?
Have some fans been giving him a hard time again?
Weather in Dumfries is hellish today cold, wet & really windy looks like the top of the table clash will be a bit of a lottery.
considering the crappy weather and our everchanging formation and inconsistent play, i would go for a livy win. if we play like we should and get the ball down and play with our wingers feeding the front men instead of the high ball then we have a chance of grabbing a goal or two. im going to go for 1-0 livy, and a long, wet, cold dissapointing afternoon for all us expectant doonhamers.
hope im wrong.
hope im wrong.
This topic is going to be good tonight
Que all pre match Livi boasts of an easy victory at fortress Palmy..........
Que all pre match Livi boasts of an easy victory at fortress Palmy..........
QUOTE (Mustafa Sheet @ Oct 4 2008, 16:47)
This topic is going to be good tonight
Que all pre match Livi boasts of an easy victory at fortress Palmy..........
Que all pre match Livi boasts of an easy victory at fortress Palmy..........
Care to show me how many of those there were?
QUOTE (Stadio Delle Almondvale @ Oct 4 2008, 16:50)
Care to show me how many of those there were?
http://www.livilions.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=14313
Some interesting posts amongst this little lot
embarrassing for a team thats top of the league to be hammered.
Now thats what you call down to earth with a bang
Now thats what you call down to earth with a bang
QUOTE (Mustafa Sheet @ Oct 4 2008, 16:57)
http://www.livilions.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=14313
Some interesting posts amongst this little lot
Some interesting posts amongst this little lot
What? You think the guy looking for the 7-0 win thought it would be an easy 7-0?
Credit where credit is due. That was a great result for Queens and one that barely any of you had hoped for.
QUOTE (Stadio Delle Almondvale @ Oct 4 2008, 17:02)
What? You think the guy looking for the 7-0 win thought it would be an easy 7-0?
Credit where credit is due. That was a great result for Queens and one that barely any of you had hoped for.
Credit where credit is due. That was a great result for Queens and one that barely any of you had hoped for.
There were a good few predicting a 3-1, 4-1 win for Livi.
Christ, how did that happen? It didn't even flatter us.
Tremendous stuff. Thoroughly carried away now.
Tremendous stuff. Thoroughly carried away now.
QUOTE (Toby Fair @ Oct 4 2008, 17:07)
Christ, how did that happen? It didn't even flatter us.
Tremendous stuff. Thoroughly carried away now.
Tremendous stuff. Thoroughly carried away now.
Be prepared to be mocked if you even begin to suggest that you might win the league
Queens might win the league.
QUOTE (Stadio Delle Almondvale @ Oct 4 2008, 17:11)
Be prepared to be mocked if you even begin to suggest that you might win the league
Get a grip. After inflicting such a heavy defeat on the mighty Livi to swap places at the top I think we are more than entitled to blow our own trumpets.
C'mon the Queens
He wasn't slagging you off mate. We've had the same thing happened to us from other team's supporters despite having wins against them.
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