Probably because our team sheet now reads like a Scotland 'B' squad. Depressing stuff.

Probably because our team sheet now reads like a Scotland 'B' squad. Depressing stuff.

"Umm, in O'Neill, sorry the Blessed Martin's last season, did Hibs not beat us at Paradise 3-1 and Aberdeen beat us 3-2, Hearts beat us 2-0 and Rangers beat us 2-0?"

"And your point being Brother Seamus?"

"Well, err, didn't that mean the Blessed Martin should have been sacked?"

"Sigh, once again Brother Seamus, you miss the point completely. The quality of football on show that season, even in those defeats, which I think we can all agree were caused by the scandalous Masonic refereeing so prevalent in Scotland, transcended actual results.

Yet it's getting results, and it's doing so in entertaining fashion, with plenty of goals...

Well, the "Scotland B" team is playing some very attractive football, scoring lots of goals and will win the league, so please tell me your problem?

But not in the important games. There is the old familiar whiff of mediocrity around our club's playing staff and I for one don't like it. The defensive 'sieve' is back. We can usually beat SPL teams in games neutrals might descibe as "entertaining" (because they're so evenly matched) but against European teams or even the huns we are routinely - and quite casually - humped.

that must have fucking hurt admitting that

that must have fucking hurt admitting that

Well that's a large part of my gripe with Strachan - he has taken us back to the days when we went into these games more in hope than expectation.

The current hun side is quite weak, but to be fair to them they've used what little money they have quite wisely. Guys like Mendes and, to a lesser extent, Davis, have cut their teeth in the Premiership and are therefore in a position to ride roughshod over the likes of Barry Robson and Scott Brown.

The English teams are saturated with money and as such tend to have bloated squads - Martin exploited this to pick up guys like Thompson and Sutton for far below their true value before giving them a platform to find their confidence and form.

The current hun side is quite weak, but to be fair to them they've used what little money they have quite wisely. Guys like Mendes and, to a lesser extent, Davis, have cut their teeth in the Premiership and are therefore in a position to ride roughshod over the likes of Barry Robson and Scott Brown.

2nd meeting of the S.H.I.T. - Baillieston, Glasgow 26 Oct 08

Brother Haw Haw to chair.

"Okay Brothers, first Order of Business - Brothers Keevins and Guidi send their apologies. "

"Secondly, Brother Mystic will be taking all deposits today for the pilgrimage to Birmingham. £50 secures you a place on the bus and payment before 31st October also gets you a complementary bottle of the Blessed Martin's bath water, certified and consecrated by Brother Walford. An incentive to you all, I am sure. Our local Provident Financial representative is available at the back to assist those brothers experiencing a pre-Giro cash shortage. "

"Now, onto the main business of the day - an update on plans to remove Gordhun Satan from our glorious family in christ and celticism."

"Following our humbling by the very average Manchester United in midweek - yes, quite Brother Mystic, one wonders indeed what Aston Villa would have done to the wretched collection of Scottish nonentities (of course exempting the heroic efforts of young Aiden and Cillian in a hopeless cause) Satan sent out as lambs to the slaughter, it is clear that our chance to secure a Celtic minded appointment before Satan condemns us to the ignominy of Champions League failure must be grasped here and now."

"To add fuel to the fire, only yesterday did the hated ginger gargoyle humiliate us by losing two goals to the Edinburgh traitorous treachorous Hun apologist "Hibernian". I have rarely been so angry, thinking how low Satan has taken us that "Hibs" can notch two goals at Paradise. I..."

"Yes, Brother Seamus. What is it?"

"Umm, in O'Neill, sorry the Blessed Martin's last season, did Hibs not beat us at Paradise 3-1 and Aberdeen beat us 3-2, Hearts beat us 2-0 and Rangers beat us 2-0?"

"And your point being Brother Seamus?"

"Well, err, didn't that mean the Blessed Martin should have been sacked?"

"Sigh, once again Brother Seamus, you miss the point completely. The quality of football on show that season, even in those defeats, which I think we can all agree were caused by the scandalous Masonic refereeing so prevalent in Scotland, transcended actual results. The free flowing beauty of the performances left you spellbound, and completely unable even to begin to care about the scoreboard, unlike the prosaic "4 goals, big deal" ethos of Gordhun's battlers".

"Now, moving on, I believe Brother Mystic has a new plan to cast this snake from our midst. The floor is yours Brother".

"Brothers, I have cogitated, ruminated and puzzled on this during a recent week's retreat in the hedge behind the Blessed Martin's conservatory in Brimingham, and have concluded that there is only one way to resolve this issue. Like our Provisional Brothers being subjugated in Ireland, sometimes a cause is so just, so righteous, that it justifies extreme measures to end oppression. And surely Bothers, surely, no one can gainsay that this current humiliating position is nothing short of an oppression of the Irish peoples worldwide. To that end, I believe the ultimate sanction must be considered, to hit the PLC in the only way it feels pain"

"Yes Brothers, it's time for a hunger strike. I propose a Pie Boycott, with a one bovril limit per month, even in December. Let's see what Desmond and the other craven scum in the boardroom have to say when the catering business is brought to its knees."

(Applause)

"Once again Brother Mystic, you astound us with the ingenuity of your thinking. Let us go forth Brothers and spread the word and let our noble cause be successful as surely it must if god is listening to our pleas. In Martin we trust. "

Haw "Loyal" should you no be at a game?

Well that's a large part of my gripe with Strachan - he has taken us back to the days when we went into these games more in hope than expectation.

The current hun side is quite weak, but to be fair to them they've used what little money they have quite wisely. Guys like Mendes and, to a lesser extent, Davis, have cut their teeth in the Premiership and are therefore in a position to ride roughshod over the likes of Barry Robson and Scott Brown.

The English teams are saturated with money and as such tend to have bloated squads - Martin exploited this to pick up guys like Thompson and Sutton for far below their true value before giving them a platform to find their confidence and form.

did MoN not pay nearly 10mill for these 2 who between them only had 1 england cap

if you ask me the old firm have both been guilty of paying over the odds to english clubs for a player because these players "played" in the EPL when in fact they were only bit part players for their teams

The funny thing is (really makes me laugh) knowing you and muppets like you will not fully enjoy Celtic winning title after title and getting through group stages of Champs League because you hate the manager that is guiding your team to success after success!

You really do talk the biggest pile of steaming shit all the time.

The funny thing is (really makes me laugh) knowing you and muppets like you will not fully enjoy Celtic winning title after title and getting through group stages of Champs League because you hate the manager that is guiding your team to success after success!

Correct.

You can feel the bitterness with every post. The amusing thing being with each passing season, O'Neill's achievements, such that they were, look more and more disappointing.

Celic could easily be going for 9 in a row this season had O'Neill not underachieved so badly against McLeish.

As Zarathustra would have it:

Nietzsche

Edited: how many consonants do you need to spell 'ch'?

The thing about O'Neill's tenure was that even the lows were part of the whole rollercoaster ride. Would the treble or indeed Seville have been so magical without the counterpoint of black Sunday?

The thing about O'Neill's tenure was that even the lows were part of the whole rollercoaster ride. Would the treble or indeed Seville have been so magical without the counterpoint of black Sunday? Watching the king of kings and his bhoys humble Europe's best after what had gone before was scarcely believable. The lapis philosophorum of O'Neill's alchemical trick was the figure of Bobby Petta - in whom the opposites were unified - from deadbeat idle coward hiding on the wing to showboating superstar in a few short weeks.

That bittersweet contrast was life condensed in all its messy, joyous, unfair, beautiful, mucked up glory. It was being alive!

Contrast that with modestly talented SPL players churning out consistent but mediocre performances. Living through Seville etc. then being smugly informed Gary Caldwell is "sensational"? No thanks Chesney!

The thing about O'Neill's tenure was that even the lows were part of the whole rollercoaster ride

Oh, not this thread again. I suppose I can use it to increase my post count, so there's one redeeming factor. In fact, now that I'm here it doesn't seem that bad.
To me?

I can certainly understand why this thread would make Rangers fans uncomfortable, so used were they to Strachan's predecessor making a roaring c'nt of the title race and feeding Rangers some crumbs.

Now that 4 in a row is becoming more and more inevitable, getting rid of Strachan in any way they can should be Rangers fans' aim.

Wrong answer, your reply should have been: "To you?".
Someone has never watched "ChuckleVision".

I'll try again; to me?

No, the Chuckle Brothers always made me uneasy. As did the Krankies. I never found them funny either - they didn't even register on my Laugherty-o-meter, which reached 9.5 watching my new hero last night.

Having lost the first OF game of the season Celtic nonetheless remain odds-on-favourites for the title. Strachan's doing a terrible job right enough

Having lost the first OF game of the season Celtic nonetheless remain odds-on-favourites for the title. Strachan's doing a terrible job right enough

I suppose many Celtic fans view winning Old Firm encounters as integral. You need to take into account the intangible value of the Old Firm match.

What do you expect when Rangers "now struggle to put down 99p for every £5 Celtic spend" (© Beyemystic)?

Except of course for when they outspend Celtic again, and lose to Strachan.

To be fair to O'Neill, he was dealing with the managerial colossus that is Alex McLeish. Managing 1 title in 3 seasons against that wily tactician must actually be a source of great pride for him.

Of course, when O'Neill left, the Celtic fans were clearly willing to accept being second best. It's just this disgusting "being the best" thing Strachan has going that is his downfall.

Correct

Also Bigotmistic also states that we lost to wee diddy teams that we didnt do under ONeill. Is he forgetting ICT in the scottish cup? Motherwell on the last day of the season? Basle in the Champs League qualifier where we had a 2 goal lead going into the 2nd game

Open your eyes Bey you might just enjoy the moment

To be honest, I think winning Old Firm games only matters to the side who are being humped in the league season after season.

During the 80s, when Celtic were shite, I remember my Celtic mates would still get excited about the odd Old Firm win, even though in league terms it was an irrelevance as they were normally well back.

From work experiences with Ostrogoth fans, it is a bit of a changearound. Now Ranegrs fans revel in any wins over Celtic to cover up the hurt at knowing in championship terms they are so clearly second best.

To be honest, I think winning Old Firm games only matters to the side who are being humped in the league season after season.

During the 80s, when Celtic were shite, I remember my Celtic mates would still get excited about the odd Old Firm win, even though in league terms it was an irrelevance as they were normally well back.

From work experiences with Ostrogoth fans, it is a bit of a changearound. Now Ranegrs fans revel in any wins over Celtic to cover up the hurt at knowing in championship terms they are so clearly second best.

Correct

Also Bigotmistic also states that we lost to wee diddy teams that we didnt do under ONeill. Is he forgetting ICT in the scottish cup? Motherwell on the last day of the season? Basle in the Champs League qualifier where we had a 2 goal lead going into the 2nd game

Open your eyes Bey you might just enjoy the moment

Correct

Also Bigotmistic also states that we lost to wee diddy teams that we didnt do under ONeill. Is he forgetting ICT in the scottish cup? Motherwell on the last day of the season? Basle in the Champs League qualifier where we had a 2 goal lead going into the 2nd game

Open your eyes Bey you might just enjoy the moment

Thanks to that 'lifelong love of Celtic' who went jumping around like a fucking loon when he scored both goals McDonald?

I am so proud he wear the number 7. c**t.

I have only one comment to make. And i say this as a staunch gordon strachan supporter.

Martin O'Neill came to a celtic in complete and utter disarray. We had lost the league by 21points the previous season and the team had become a shambles. O'Neill completely revamped celtic football club. I think most supporters would have been happy to have given rangers a run for their money, but we battered them and that was a very good rangers team.

Martin O'Neil built the platform from which gordon strachan has builts celtic's success, he gave fans back their believe, he made celtic park a fortress and that has remained during gordon strachan's time as manager.

Neither managers feats can be compared, just like tommy burns team of 96 cannot be compared to O'neills because in all honesty their is every chance that the 96 team would have beaten our 03 team but because back then competing against rangers was almost out of the question he never won a championship.

So to the masses of p&b this arguement is not boring and lets move onto another topic

I have only one comment to make. And i say this as a staunch gordon strachan supporter.

Martin O'Neill came to a celtic in complete and utter disarray. We had lost the league by 21points the previous season and the team had become a shambles. O'Neill completely revamped celtic football club. I think most supporters would have been happy to have given rangers a run for their money, but we battered them and that was a very good rangers team.

Martin O'Neil built the platform from which gordon strachan has builts celtic's success, he gave fans back their believe, he made celtic park a fortress and that has remained during gordon strachan's time as manager.

Neither managers feats can be compared, just like tommy burns team of 96 cannot be compared to O'neills because in all honesty their is every chance that the 96 team would have beaten our 03 team but because back then competing against rangers was almost out of the question he never won a championship.

So to the masses of p&b this arguement is not boring and lets move onto another topic

1. Correct about MoN's impact. I would suggest the model of Bill Shankley at Liverpool: clearly some of the individuals who followed him into the job enjoyed greater tangible success in terms of trophies but they will never eclipse "Shanks" in the affections of "Koppites", because they know who got the ball rolling.

2. To a certain extent Strachan has piggybacked on O'Neill's success because his first trophies came with Lenny patrolling the midfield, Hartson banging in the goals etc. Clearly Strachan's increasingly poor signings have diluted the quality of the squad as time has gone on and now home European wins have turned to draws and we are often papped out of domestic cups by joke teams.

3. I enjoyed watching the 96 team, but come on, they were naive. They fell for the same sucker punch every time in "old firm" games. The 03 team could (and did) give anybody in Europe a game but Paris Saint Germain dished out a salutary lesson to Tommy's Bhoys, who were notably out of their depth.

The thing is - and its pertinent to our current side - at that level you are only as good as your weakest link, so the presence of Gordon Marshall, John Hughes, Brian O'Neil etc. meant we never stood a realistic chance. Arch-pragmatist Martin O'Neill built a side with no such defects (except goalies - his Achilles heel). But, infuriatingly, we now find ourselves with a team of weak links again.

Martin O'Neill piggy-backed on Jansen, Venglos and Barnes signings. Without Larsson, Lambert, Petrov, Moravcik, Mjallby, how well would Sutton, Lennon, Thompson and Valgaeren faired that first season?

I can't thank Barnes!!

No Celtic fan can!!

He was signed on Venglos' recommendation IIRC, that ok?

Martin O'Neill piggy-backed on Jansen, Venglos and Barnes signings. Without Larsson, Lambert, Petrov, Moravcik, Mjallby, how well would Sutton, Lennon, Thompson and Valgaeren faired that first season?

He surrounded the decent players we had with other decent players and made the whole greater than the sum of its parts, unlike Chesney who surrounded the decent players he inherited with bargain basement SPL mediocrity.

He also schemed against many of the decent players and sneakily knifed them in the back whilst platitudes dripped from the corner of his mouth.

Personally I think MON's success was brought about by Tommy Burns cavalier exciting football, which obviously was started by Billy McNeills' double winning side, who were I suppose inspired by the tales from Billy about the lengendary Jock Stein who had in fact taken inspiration from having been in the presence of Jimmy McGrory. Jimmy however puts his success down to the most successful Celtic manager of all time (trophy wise) Willie Maley.

So there you have it. Get rid of Strachan and get Willie Maleys great great great grandson in charge.

Would you be happy then bey?

You have to remember that he was employed by Motherwell, was probably on fairly average wages and wouuld be over the moon at securing a win bonus for him and his team mates.

I hold no grudges against him or almost anyone (Mojo scum aside) who has scored against us and then plays for us, or vice versa.

It's a job and the guys treat it as such.