It's simply not racism. Celtic fans are just illiterate. It could be interpreted as xenophobia,but only and only if you ignore the crucial fact that it's exclusively aimed at the warped and growing element of Celtic fans.

You can change your religion and your nationality and nobody will know. Race is a visually identifiable manifestation of subtle genetic differences.

Comparisons with the holocaust (which was anti-semitic and not racist but on a totally different level from songs) and African American slaves (which was an example of racism, but again on a much greater scale) are disrespectful and insulting to those who suffered such tragedies injustices and their families.

Stop trying to upgrade your offence. Celtic supporters aren't a race, a religion or even a nationality. Stop your lies. Stop trying to get your rivals into trouble over absolutely nothing.

The worst chants in Scottish football are those which advocate the murder or British civilians and Rangers players by a murderous racist, sectarian terror group.

look at me LOOK AT ME!

There is already a thread on the go about the famine song why not put your wrong ramblings in there.

OK, you've just proven you're another illiterate one.

Race: 'a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.'

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race

racism: 'hatred or intolerance of another race or other races'

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

Now Irish is a common descent or heredity, and therefor a song which shows hatred or intolerance of the Irish is therefore racist.
And don't say the famine song is about Celtic supporters as i don't think it is talking about Celtic Park having floodlights on, or U-Boats sailing up the clyde to the west end to get diesel put in them.

It's not complicated if you can read and know the lyrics to the song you are trying to defend.

But hey we need yet another thread on this.

The United Nations says

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Ya ignoramus.

The IRA were not racist, they would kill anyone, they were an equal opportunity organization, stop being illiterate.....and boring

They weren't even sectarian.

Ah, but there you go interpreting the song all wrong. The song is not aimed at the real Irish people, and isn't at all about them. It's aimed at all the Celtic fans who are Scottish, but hate the country and instead fly the Irish flag at all games, and don't show their true country, but I don't want to get into another debate about this song, because there already is one.

Can you tell me what the following Has to do with football??
You turned on the lights
Fuelled U boats by night

And Celtic also fly the Union flag and the Saltire at games.
Celtic where created by Irish, is that something to be ashamed of?
What ties does Rangers have to Norhtern Ireland to warrant an 'Ulter Day' and the Red hands that fly? What ties do Hearts have to show the Red Hand? Why no complaints there??

Most Rangers fans wont be aware there is more versus to "the Famine song"

FACT.

That lot was made up by people, and yes some know it, but alot dont. I don't even consider there to be any other parts to the song myself, and will only take the verse sung as the only one there is.

I've seen a Scotland flag at only 1 Celtic game a few seasons back. Never seen any others. Ok, you were made by Irish to help them, but lets look at it like this, you are a Scottish club, so there should still be some Scotland Flags with you. Which you don't see. As for Ulster Day, this is to celebrate all the ulster born players down the years who have played for Rangers. It will also be nice for all our followers to games from NI. We do have alot of those (and I know you have alot of ROI fans), but we still fly Scotland/Union Flag, more than the Ulster Flag.

Having days for the players of a country down the years is wrong now?

Well that proves they are nothing but arseholes, singing songs they don't know the words too.What is the verse you sing then? The words 'the famine is over, why don't you go home' is pretty much telling people who descended from the Irish immigrants to leave the country. And if it is Anti Celtic, why sing it against Motherwell, without even the excuse of the game being on TV so you might noise up a few tim's watching at home?

The union flag and Saltire are flown above Celtic Park every week.

Well you seem to think it is ok to celebrate all your players from Ulster (?) down the years, yet it seems we are now allowed to celebrate where the club came from?

It also just happens that the Irish flag is also the colours on our first team strip.

It is funny how in the West of Scotland, you should be ashamed of celebrating your heritage if it is Irish. Yet other heritages are fine (Italian and Chinese) in Scotland. And all over the world people are so proud of where they came from, look at the University of Notre Dame, the China Towns in major cities, the French in Louisiana, the Spanish in California and Texas. Just don't do it if you are from Irish in Scotland.

How come the police think it is racist along with many others, yet the only people who don't think it is a racist song is rangers fans?

I am proud of where i come from, i am from Irish decent and the Scottish Islands. I am Scottish through and through.

Doesn't make sense.

How are the IRA racist and sectarian? The IRA are the most influential organisation in my countrys history followed up closely by the INLA. Both glorious organisations led by the bravest of the brave. They certainly wouldn't hide behind a keyboard pretending to be Hibs or Ross County fans whilst spouting ill founded nonsense.

...but I bet some deluded Hun on Follow Follow thinks this actually happened...



Exactly. Just as Robert McCartney's family - they were happy to kill anyone, therefore they weren't a sectarian organisation.



I love seeing the Huns get their knickers into a twist defending this horrible song. One minute it's asking the Irish descendants in Scotland why don't they go "home", the next they are slagging them off for not actually being Irish in the first place. Can you not at least try to apply a little logic/ consistancy to your bigotry?



Aye right.

I can beleive that most Huns won't be bright enough to realise that their radio makes that noise without someone small being inside it, or clever enough to comprehend where the sun goes at night, but are you honestly saying that most Glasgow Rangers supporters are so thick they don't realise this?

Saying "fact" at the end of something just makes you look daft(er)...

Spot on.

No doubt though, if the choice was of your mob, it would be the irish flag flying instead, and I am not stating that you shouldn't show your heritage, I'm saying you should show the country you are from a bit more than you do, bring it to a smililar level of celebrating being from Ireland.

Now, I don't believe the song should be sung against anyone else other than Celtic, but you get the idiots in the fan who choose to sing the song over more traditional songs (a point I don't want to get into as it does annoy me alot). I particularly don't think the song is that good, I'd rather sing for the players on the park and to get behind them, than to mention your lot. If your Scottish through and through, us along with alot of the other fans, would like to see this shown and maybe then, you would find said song died away as you show your scottish heritage as well as irish. We are only celebrating it for 1 day (apart from the usuals from NI who bring their flag), but 99% of your club show it every single week, and it's not just now and again. Whereas the Scotland side of you lot gets thrown out and you wouldn't know you are a Scottish club on view.

The verse I sung, was just the usual "the famine is over why don't you go home?" I didn't take into account the rest of it, and still don't. I also only found myself singing this song at Celtic Park when the full ground as they do every game, started on their love for all things Irish, if you done something to show yourselves as Scottish as much, then I wouldn't find myself singing that song.

It is always said as that, the Celtic fans who are infact Scottish and think they're Irish that the song is aimed at, every Rangers fan I know, would agree that those are the people who the song is aimed at. (This will include the ones whos great grandad or w/e moved to Scotland), they are Scottish, sure they have a slight Irish relation, but at the end of the day they should still be showing their Scottish side, not just the Irish one.

I love how you like to spend more time talking about Celtic than you do on your "own club" or as I've stated before, is it that infact you really are just a timbo like the rest of them?

Now you will try to use the usual deflection to deflect away from it. You and that guy who is supposedly a diddy team fan but talks more of Rangers, are 2 cheeks, of the same a*se.

We do fly the Irish Tricolour too iirc. All the are next to the league flag

You lot don't show yourselves as being Scottish much, more British. And for me i don't like being British, i want as little as possible to do with the English as i can. I want a free Scotland before a complete Ireland.

But then again, the matter isn't about why we show green white and orange every week (again, the colours on our strip) it is the fact the song is still racist.
You can claim it is just a bit of banter all you want. But Old firm games are shown all over the world. Imagine an American who is of Irish decent (which they are VERY proud of and NEVER ashamed of) watching a Celtic Rangers game and hearing 'the famine is over, why don't you go home'? don't you think the rest of the world would be shocked?

Could you imagine a 'f**k off back to Jamaica' song?

But at the end of the day Scotland is part of Britain, so we are in our every right to show it. We have as many flags at a Rangers game which are Scotland flags as Britain flags. The only difference is the British flag annoys you lot, so it is in a bigger number of them than Scottish ones. We go away from home and you see them all over the place. We embrace our Scottish heritage, and I am proud to say I'm Scottish, but I'm also proud to be British.

They would be shocked yes, but they wouldn't know of all the Scottish people who claim to be of his country would they? Now, if I moved to America, I'd still be proud to say I'm Scottish, but I'd expect grandchildren to say they were American, and be proud of that.

Round and round in circles



Ah, the old "you're no a Hun, so you must be a Tim" logic. Priceless

Oh look there it is, the old deflection technique.


Knew that would appear, and I'm not making the comment due to the fact your against Rangers, you could have reasons I don't know, but you just seem to spend alot of time in this forum, just like that other lad. Could it be because you really don't care for Berwick?

Ah back spouting your usual sh*te as usual.

Can you not be a bit civilized? (none of this "coming from Rangers fans tosh, yer pyoor no")

Got to be a dafty don't you?

Is it in your heritage?

Christ you guys are thick and ignorant.

Supporting Celtic is not a race. Quoting a legal definition for a law that doesn't apply to football chants or songs is a pathetic attempt to shoe-horn your "plight" into a greater and real form of prejudice.

It's a football wind up!

Grow up!

This from the guy greeting because he thinks "Hun" is somehow Sectarian?

A bit like the Rankers do with all the Saltires that totally outnumber the N. Ireland flags and union jacks you mean?

Run that past me again. Where is orange on the Celtic strip or badge or indeed where has it anything to do with Celtic?

Tangerine, surely?

Its not orange its Gold

That's quite sectarian actually.

The silence is deafening.

What is?

The Irish flag is meant to represent the Catholic and Protestant communities and the peace between them, symbolised by the green, orange and white repsectively.

Celtic claim to be all inclusive, whilst wearing the colours of their Irish heritage, yet no orange.

I know what the flag represents and I know many protestants who support Celtic.
I also know that the club were asked not to fly the flag in 1952 and threatened with expulsion from the league due to the SFA.

...and who came to their aid and saved them, defending their right to fly the flag?

Rangers whats your point?

I really don't think I need to emphasise it given how obvious it is.

I often wonder where they would have been
If we hadn't have taken them in
Fed them and washed them
Thousands in Glasgow alone
From Ireland they came
Brought us nothing but trouble and shame
Well the famine is over
Why don't they go home?

You are rambling incoherrently now.Maybe if the board of 1952 were in charge now we would see some action aginst its club's support instead of Baldy Bain deflecting.

There's nothing to deflect. It's a great piece of banter and now clubs around Scotland are adopting it when they play Celtic.

It's even been posted on Villareal fan sites!

There are a lot of cranks out there

And everyone knows who they support.

I think Strawberry & Kiwi is my favourite Robinsons flavour.

Peach comes a close second.

And this thread needed bumping because?

Leave it to die in the memory of a troll..