If Scotland gets its Independence will Sellick fans change form being anti-British to being anti-Scottish or are they already anti-Scottish?

Zzzzzzzzz.

I'm going to make myself savoury rice once the Liverpool game gets to half time.

Is the rest of the season going to see a continuation of this shite?

Well Sellick fans are a persecuted minority in Scotland or so the Pharanoids keep claiming.

no...but will the rangers "proud unionist" fans f**k off to england or wales and live in whats left of the Union? or will the bigots at racist fc suddenly stop being unionist and all of a sudden start being staunch Scots?

My rice is boiling - a fragrant basmati too.

Are Pharanoids things which are shaped like Pharaohs?

I'm already a staunch Scot and I am staunchly British.

Are you either or are you just plastic?

If Scotland gets its Independence, I won't be going anywhere as I am a staunch Scot first and foremost, though I would be disappointed to lost my British identity.

That is class, glad i stayed online now

No. they are shaped like Phannies.

I am Scottish. Your a tit.

Think you will actually find there are more Rangers Fans who are anti-Scottish...or should I say anti-independent.

As a Rangers fan it's difficult to say this but I agree with you.

Are you sure? Don't you sometimes feel Irish when you sing

'Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to Ireland'

'The Fields of Athenry'

Cause I feel Brittish when I sing 'Rule Brittania'

Well how do you feel when you singing ' Its Raining men' ?

I knew that would be too difficult a question for you to answer.

I have never met a Rangers fan who is anti-Scottish.

Yes many are anti-Independence though I know a few who support the SNP.

Yeah I know, I'm one of them. There are some Rangers fans who have came across recently as anti-Scottish because the Tartan Army bood the NI natinal anthem.

How many threads of this shite do we actually have?

At current rate it seems we have an entire sub-forum.
My savoury rice was magnificent though.

Do you sing God Save the Queen? Serious question by the way

Those Rangers fans did not come across as being anti-Scottish. They were simply being pro-British. You shouldn't equate being pro-British with being anti-Scottish. There is absolutely no connection. In fact if you are pro-British you are also pro-Scottish but anti-Independence.

It's not only SNP supporters who are pro-Scottish.

I have sung it many times in my life.

How do you feel when you sing

'Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to Ireland'

Or are you still not going to answer?

I'm a Rangers fan and I never sing God Save the Queen and I hate hearing Rule Britannia being played at games. It has nothing to do with a Scottish Football Club. Its the SPL not the UKPL

You've picked me up wrong. I'm pro Scottish and pro independence. There were fans who were anti-Scottish and the reason i know this is that some were my mates.

You never asked me in the first place numbnut

Do you even realise its anti-scottish? Of course you dont

Here's verse 6 of it

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King

Your club needs more people like you

people from Italian stock like Italian things sing Italian songs and call themselves Italian
people from Pakistan stock....
people from Jewish stock....
people from Indian stock....
people from African stock....
people from polish stock.....

no one ever questions these people or asks them to go home..
but people from Irish stock who do likewise, are sectarian,anti British,terrorist lovers.. they are people to be questioned on their heritage,people to be viewed with suspicion,

i agree that God Save the Queen is anit Scottish but you still haven't answered the question about the soilders are we song

So does your club!!!

Maybe am no a "true celtic supporter" but i can honestly say hand on heart dont know the words to it.

The Rebellios Scots referred to in that verse were the Jacobites. If you know anything about history, then you would know that the majority of Scots were anti-Jacobite and that the Jacobites were largely crushed by Scottish soldiers fighting for the British army.

Why would a true celtic fan need to know the words. Isn't Celtic a SCOTTISH Club?

Thats why i put it in inverted commas. Bit of irony. I am scottish, my family is scottish. My grandfather is english. i was brought up to support football and celtic. not religion. my religion is a personal thing which i will never discuss or force upon anyone.

Celtic + Rangers = Football, not religion

For me anyway

EXACTLY!!!!

No what you really mean is they were catholics who were hunted by King Billy

To quote directly from Wikipedia

'While Jacobitism was closely linked with Catholicism, particularly in Ireland, elsewhere in Britain Catholics were a tiny minority in 1689 and the bulk of Jacobite support came from other groups. Catholics formed about 75% of the population in Ireland, but in England only around 1% and in Scotland about 2%.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism

The vast majority of Scottish Jacobites were Protestants. In Scotland, Jacobitism was associated with certain Highland clans, not with religion, unlike in Ireland.

You should stop seeing everything from a Catholic Irish perspective. Typical Sellick fan.

You've just contradicted your previous point with this.

No I haven't. I said

1. The majority of Scots were anti-Jacobite and the Jacobites in Scotland were largely crushed by fellow Scots.

2. The vast majority of Scottish Jacobites were Protestants, unlike in Ireland, where the vast majority were Catholics.

Where is the contradiction?

So you've gone from arguing with Celtic fans to arguing amongst yourselves? Yer a class act

Thats not what you were getting at at the time of your 1st point, you've just researched it more. You can't say that the majority of Scots were anti-jacobites as they had followers all over Scotland and Europe. The reason alot of Scots were in the British army was due the high level of poverty in Scotland and your quality of life improved under the army.

The only thing that is rue is that I stand up for Fact unlike alot of Celtic and Rangers fans. At least I have the guts admit the wrong doings of my club, can you?

I can say it cause it is true. Also, Jacobitism had absolutley nothing to do with Scottish Independence. It was about putting a Stuart on the BRITISH thrown, which at that time included England, Wales, Scotland AND Ireland.

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No I haven't. I said

1. The majority of Scots were anti-Jacobite and the Jacobites in Scotland were largely crushed by fellow Scots.



2. The vast majority of Scottish Jacobites were Protestants, unlike in Ireland, where the vast majority were Catholics.

So what you are saying is that most of the scots were anti-scottish which means buttons22 was correct in a previous post

I never said most scots were anti scottish I said some rangers fans came across as anti- scottish.

I never mentioned independence at this point. You can't say it's true because you or I don't have the facts to back it up.

I said most Scots were anti-Jacobite and that Jacobitism in Scotland had little to do with religion as both sides in Scotland were overwhelmingly Protestant.

Read please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism

Yes but if the country was overwhelmingly protestant, that means they were anti scottish thus proving buttons22 correct

Look thats twice. Stop the misquoting!!! How thick can you get...it doesn't mean they were anti Scottish.