And yet your response to the understandable upset of Celtic fans and the Irish consulate over a song that is xenophobic and utterly repugnant is to compare it with an old Irish folksong?

Jesus.

Actually, ask any policeman in the wsst of Scotland and he will tell you that there is more violence when Celtic lose, probably due to them seeing the defeat in a sporting context as an expression of racial, religious and nationalistic supremacy.

Rangers players have also been attacked and just this weekend, McGregor's car was vandalised for the second time in months, Novo and others have been threatened, and Barry Ferguson is regularly targetted despite marrying a Catholic girl of Irish descent and sending his kids to Catholic schools. He's Rangers through and through which deems him to be a bigot, ironically in the eyes of bigots, despite the facts to the counter that delusion.

The most serious attack of the OF weekend was an assault on a young Rangers fans at a train station. He suffered a broken jaw as well as sectarian abuse.

People need to stop kidding on that one side is the perpetrator and their own side is exclusively the victim. It's just propaganda and lies.

When rational assessment disagrees with propaganda, it's not counter propaganda. It's rational assessment.

There is nothing to prove that Irish Consulate is upset. You made that up.

Stick to facts please.

Ah f**k it. I'm going to leave you two love birds to it. You were made for each other.

I particularly like the hypothetical "any policeman in the west of Scotland" being called as an independant witness.

The fact is that the song sung by the Rangers fans encourages third and fourth generation Scots/Irish Catholics to f**k off out of it. I fail to feel that same level of hatred and contempt from the Fields of Athenry. BUt perhaps I'm just not as touchy.

What a credible argument. I particularly like the hypothetical "any policeman in the west of Scotland" being called as an independant witness.

Actually the rest of it reminded me of the Nazis dreaming up stories of the Poles raiding their borders, which they then used to justify their antics.

Thank you for pointing out that the majority of the crimes are committed by Rangers fans. But as your so keen to point out, you onlymake up 16% per cent of this lovely country. So surely You should only commit 16% of the crimes, i wonder if the figures match

Utter twisted bollocks plastic.

The scum that attacked McGeady and Lennon are criminals who broke not only laws on violence, but laws against religious hatred, surely corrective measures instituted by the state? As individuals they can and should be held accountable.Those that killed Patrick McBride are sectarian motivated murderers who should be locked away for life. If there are more attacks by Rangers fans or anti Catholic bigots, then more of them should be charged and jailed. There is no apologist here pretending that it is a scorecard that should be in balance. It should be 0-0 at full time. Believe you me, my contempt for that kind of mentality is every bit as strong as yours is. Just because I am neither Irish nor Catholic matters not one iota.

Your sarcasm does you no credit whatsoever. It appears that you are more interested in maintaining your own view of your victimhood, rather than the reality that children and adults are and have been attacked for being Protestant as well as Catholic. Until you can reconcile that violence in and of itself is unacceptable in this context, you are forever condemned to support the status quo.

You have accused me of being a buffoon and, in previous threads, a Hun. That's fine, because in your case, any form of disagreement brooks no compromise. The real truth is that you are unable to accept that a thug is a thug regardless of nationality or religious background.

I don't know where you plucked this 16% figure from Calum, it certainly wasn't from me.

All the same its quite interesting. I also wonder about how this 16% fare in the statistics.



Yours is hopelessly naive outlook. Appealing to the better nature of huns is a strategy doomed to failure. "0-0 at full time" is, sadly, simpering pie-in-the-sky nonsense.

The power imbalance needs to be made equal which can best be achieved by appeal to authorities outside Scotland imo.

Or is it an anti-Athenry

Why would you feel the need to be "anti-Athenry"?

What is wrong with an Irish folksong such as The Fields....?

What are your views on Flower of Scotland?

Maybe we get tired of hearing vilification of the British national identity and a religious leader for something that happened in the 18th century.

Maybe we're sick of the maudlin sense of victimhood and being portrayed as landed gentry and oppressors.

In what way is TFOA villification if the British national identity?

Who is "we"?

The "famine song" is only aimed at those who express hatred of Britain and support for terrorists who killed innocent British civilians including children.

Its lyrical content. Check the words.

The "famine song" is only aimed at those who express hatred of Britain and support for terrorists who killed innocent British civilians including children.

Maybe we get tired of hearing vilification of the British national identity and a religious leader for something that happened in the 18th century.

Maybe we're sick of the maudlin sense of victimhood and being portrayed as landed gentry and oppressors.

Maybe we're sick of this moralising and pomposity then choose to p***k that bubble of mock indignation.

The power imbalance needs to be made equal which can best be achieved by appeal to authorities outside Scotland imo.

In responding by pointing out one typo in an admittedly long post, you have tacitly admitted you cannot refute the points.

Actually the rest of it reminded me of the Nazis dreaming up stories of the Poles raiding their borders, which they then used to justify their antics.

Comparing your rivals to Nazis is a sign of tacit defeat on the point in hand.

Ah f**k it. I'm going to leave you two love birds to it. You were made for each other.

I have suspicions its the same person.

I hope you're taking the p**s. If not, you have serious problems.

Do you genuinely believe it encourages anyone to feel they must repatriate? Or is it an anti-Athenry which mocks this maudlin obsession with false victimhood?

I feel no contempt for either song, nor am I offended by it but singing TFOA in Britain to British people is a bit like going to Germany and singing about what a bunch of nasty b******s they were during the Nazi era.

It wouldn't be considered tasteful. Most would disapprove. Yet various English fans have done it without such mock indignation for decades now.

Why do Celtic fans have this right to claim special victimhood whilst singing equally offensive songs in every sphere of terrace abuse?

I'm more than aware that you are some kind of alias, and indeed a bloody good one it would seem. One of those that sits right on the border between genuinely retarded and excellently satirical. But at least drop the Ross County from your signature. Unless you are for real, in which case f**k you in the face, dick.

Also can I say how funny it is to see all the diddy teams and their anti-british bile, if you don't like living in Britain why not f*ck off?

By residing in Britain, you agreed to swear allegiance to it, don't like that then you can always move can't you?

Your passport, a prime example like it or not, you, I and everyone on this forum (living in the UK) is classed as a British Citizen

How about that beauty of an anti-British song that is "let the people sing", which to make it a further slap in the face, is being performed live at the stydome on Wednesday night.

I for one will find myself watching a different game when you lot are at it, as no doubt ITV will find themselves time to listen to your mhob, while when we sing before a game it's "ah we need to cut to commercial"

Also can I say how funny it is to see all the diddy teams and their anti-british bile, if you don't like living in Britain why not f*ck off?

By residing in Britain, you agreed to swear allegiance to it, don't like that then you can always move can't you?

Your passport, a prime example like it or not, you, I and everyone on this forum (living in the UK) is classed as a British Citizen

I'm British, and Scottish and I love my clubs link with Ireland, both historical and in the present, and no way in this day we're going to allow your bigotry to stop us celebrating that, nor the people who try and make out this is somehow Celtic's fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhkdy0AOpaM...feature=related

How can this be objected to?

How about that beauty of an anti-British song that is "let the people sing", which to make it a further slap in the face, is being performed live at the stydome on Wednesday night.

I for one will find myself watching a different game when you lot are at it, as no doubt ITV will find themselves time to listen to your mhob, while when we sing before a game it's "ah we need to cut to commercial"

Also can I say how funny it is to see all the diddy teams and their anti-british bile, if you don't like living in Britain why not f*ck off?

By residing in Britain, you agreed to swear allegiance to it, don't like that then you can always move can't you?

Your passport, a prime example like it or not, you, I and everyone on this forum (living in the UK) is classed as a British Citizen

How about that beauty of an anti-British song that is "let the people sing", which to make it a further slap in the face, is being performed live at the stydome on Wednesday night.

I for one will find myself watching a different game when you lot are at it, as no doubt ITV will find themselves time to listen to your mhob, while when we sing before a game it's "ah we need to cut to commercial"

Also can I say how funny it is to see all the diddy teams and their anti-british bile, if you don't like living in Britain why not f*ck off?

By residing in Britain, you agreed to swear allegiance to it, don't like that then you can always move can't you?

Your passport, a prime example like it or not, you, I and everyone on this forum (living in the UK) is classed as a British Citizen

You're a waste of DNA and braincells - not stupid, but so filled with peer pressure and victimhood that your emotional spasticity renders you fit for nothing but lager and fighting.

Emotional spasticity like projecting a pretend 'sectarian' element onto an incident involving "bigger boys" and a hedge when you were five. Then coming on a football website many years later as an adult and bitterly bleating to all and sundry about it.

By residing in Britain, you agreed to swear allegiance to it.......

Your passport, a prime example like it or not, you, I and everyone on this forum (living in the UK) is classed as a British Citizen

Its lyrical content. Check the words.

The broad and diverse multicultural people of Britain.

The "famine song" is only aimed at those who express hatred of Britain and support for terrorists who killed innocent British civilians including children.

Personally, I think our language is rich enough to maintain the difference between racism and xenophobia, without confusing the two in some semi-literate way.

However, if we're going to say that the famine song is anti-Irish and racist, then you'll have to put The Fields of Athenry into the anti-British and racist category too.

You can't have it both ways. You can't mangle definitions and standards to favour one side.

people of African heritage singing songs in remembrance of the slave trade and the effects it had on their forefathers .... are not anti British and racist.
people singing the slave trades over why don't you go home are!

People of Jewish heritage singing songs in remembrance of the holocaust/ww2 and the effects it had on their forfathers....are not anti German or racists
people singing the holocaust/war is over why don't you go home are!

only bigots and racist don't understand this, if you want to argue about songs Celtic fans sing then thats fine, but don't pass the famine song off as "banter"

If you do have a problem grasping this concept then why don't you and the rest of your RST pals join these guys, you seem to be on the same wave length
http://www.bnp.org.uk/about-us/mission-statement/

I don't think I have to resond to a man quoting the BNP. It says a lot about you.