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Shooter McGavin
Another good performance from the Diamonds today, perhaps the penny will finally drop that we aren't perhaps as bad as some folk think and that maybe, just maybe we are actually a decent team?

Hope springs eternal.

To the game itself, Livingston were on top for the first half our or so and had a few decent chances but found our 'keeper on top form as he has been all season. We had a few chances aswell but generally were quite happy to sit back and soak up the pressure and hitting on the break.

The first goal came from good work down the right flank combined with a mistake from Chris Innes. Simon Lynch had all the time in the world to bring the ball down and his finish was immaculate giving the keeper no chance.

Second goal came from an excellent driving run from Scott McLaughlin and an outstanding strike into the top corner which gave the keeper no chance whatsoever.

Defensively we are pretty solid, even Lovering was solid. Lynch and DiGiacomo work so hard for the team and our midfield was never over ran today. Livingston looked good in spells but apart from a few clear cut chances did not cause us too many problems. That said I can see them being there or thereabouts at the end of the season as they have some good players.

If we can keep our defence fit we will definitely stay up no probs!

Calum Elliot isn't very good btw. In the Scotland U21 team for no other reason than he plays for Hearts, his tap in today was totally undeserved. Rubbish. Wouldn't swap any of our forwards for him. Looked totally dis-interested.
diamondman
Superb result again guys
19QOS19
Well Done Airdrie, pity QoS couldn't capitalise!
Scott_L
QUOTE (Shooter McGavin @ Sep 13 2008, 19:41) *
The first goal came from good work down the right flank combined with a mistake from Chris Innes. Simon Lynch had all the time in the world to bring the ball down and his finish was immaculate giving the keeper no chance.


ohmy.gif Surely not? Was he puffing on a cigar when said mistake occurred? wink.gif
EdinburghLivi
He decided to make a header (from about a foot off of the ground) instead of blootering it out of play. Cocked it up and the ball went straight to Lynch.
vikingTON
We all know that Airdrie are simply doing what Thistle did a couple of years back - have a great start before crashing down to earth when they are found out.
They cannot possibly compete with the behemoths of Livingston, Clyde and Morton over the course of a season.
gy diamond
QUOTE (vikingTON @ Sep 13 2008, 21:00) *
We all know that Airdrie are simply doing what Thistle did a couple of years back - have a great start before crushing down to earth when they are found out.
They cannot possibly compete with the behemoths of Livingston, Clyde and Morton over the course of a season.



don't you just hate jealousy we are ahead of you now and will still be ahead of you at the end of the season
the whipping boys don't look like there going down at the minute but morton do tongue.gif
QosLoyal
iv never thought airdrie were bad. its a tight as f**k league to get out of/stay up in
vikingTON
QUOTE (gy diamond @ Sep 13 2008, 22:13) *
don't you just hate jealousy we are ahead of you now and will still be ahead of you at the end of the season
the whipping boys don't look like there going down at the minute but morton do tongue.gif


I think you'll find its a marathon, not a sprint, sir.
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (vikingTON @ Sep 13 2008, 21:00) *
We all know that Airdrie are simply doing what Thistle did a couple of years back - have a great start before crashing down to earth when they are found out.
They cannot possibly compete with the behemoths of Livingston, Clyde and Morton over the course of a season.

Didn't that happen to you last year before you were found out at a certain Almondvale stadium?
++Ammo - Airdrie++
QUOTE (vikingTON @ Sep 13 2008, 22:17) *
I think you'll find its a marathon, not a sprint, sir.



and as much as I usually do read your posts with interest . . . I agree with the other fella . . . Airdrie will finish above Morton.
vikingTON
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 13 2008, 22:18) *
Didn't that happen to you last year before you were found out at a certain Almondvale stadium?


We had already lost 2 on the bounce before that game.
At this stage last year we had a credible 7 points albeit with disturbing form.
Plenty of time for bubbles to burst.
EdinburghLivi
Could we possibly get a merger with this thread and the other?
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (vikingTON @ Sep 13 2008, 22:20) *
We had already lost 2 on the bounce before that game.
At this stage last year we had a credible 7 points albeit with disturbing form.
Plenty of time for bubbles to burst.

Ah fair enough. I assume those other losses weren't as resounding though happy.gif?
++Ammo - Airdrie++
wasn't at the game today, was going to go with my 4 month old daughter but wasn't sure if east lothians finest would allow me to smuggle her in.
good win today for the diamonds today obviously can't comment on the performance, but glad to see Scott "too pish for Morton" McLaughlin on the score sheet again and by the sounds of it, not a bad strike either. If We can keep up the great defensive performance and score goals on the counter then theres defo hope of staying up. Even though our start to the season has been better than ANYONE expected, I'm still targeting 8th position, thats the ultimate aim and at this rate, it should be achieveable. only got Clyde and St J to see in the league now and based on prev results and scores etc, no-one should be fearing anyone in this league.

Edited : Spelling
MTJ
In Airdrie's lone defeat to us they played a lot better than we did in a lot of games we won in the first half of that season, a lot of the time we rode our luck, I don't think this is so much the case with Airdrie, so no they won't do what we done. They aren't even as high up as we were at this stage either.
gy diamond
QUOTE (vikingTON @ Sep 13 2008, 22:17) *
I think you'll find its a marathon, not a sprint, sir.



i argee that it is a marathon and not a sprint but in a marathon you can't let your opponent get 2 far ahead or you'll never catch them up.
well your lot better start winning before we leave you for dead tongue.gif
thruthenight
QUOTE (vikingTON @ Sep 13 2008, 21:00) *
We all know that Airdrie are simply doing what Thistle did a couple of years back - have a great start before crashing down to earth when they are found out.
They cannot possibly compete with the behemoths of Livingston, Clyde and Morton over the course of a season.



I know that sometimes it's difficult to read sarcasm on a message board, but jesus **** some people are slow.

Apologies vikingTON for pointing out the obvious, but sometimes it has to be done.

IMO, we were the better team until Innes displayed his usual ****hole qualities. After Airdrie scored, we were deflated and suddenly second best to everything.

Your keeper had some class moments though. Point blank save from Cuenca at the end was class.

Still top of the league though. Even if we don't deserve it.
Diamonds are Forever
QUOTE (thruthenight @ Sep 14 2008, 00:28) *
Your keeper had some class moments though. Point blank save from Cuenca at the end was class.


Robbo has been immense this season. He's had a geniune claim to be Man of the Match in virtually every game this season.

After we scored there only looked like one winner, we didn't play at our best technically today but we looked organised and solid, something we've not been for years. Very encouraging smile.gif
ThisCharmingMan
QUOTE (thruthenight @ Sep 14 2008, 00:28) *
I know that sometimes it's difficult to read sarcasm on a message board, but jesus **** some people are slow.

Apologies vikingTON for pointing out the obvious, but sometimes it has to be done.

IMO, we were the better team until Innes displayed his usual ****hole qualities. After Airdrie scored, we were deflated and suddenly second best to everything.

Your keeper had some class moments though. Point blank save from Cuenca at the end was class.

Still top of the league though. Even if we don't deserve it.


Sarcasm? Never!

EdinburghLivi
Perhaps I'm just one of these "slow" people but I fail to see where anyone has actually gone along with the idea that any of the aforementioned teams are behemoths.

Or perhaps I've totally misinterpreted what thruthenight is trying to suggest.
airdrieman
it was a good win today although according to an elderly livi fan we cheated rolleyes.gif blink.gif laugh.gif and i agree about calum elliot he didn't deserve a goal and it's a shame he never done us a dance
LIVIFOREVER
QUOTE (++Ammo - Airdrie++ @ Sep 13 2008, 22:29) *
wasn't at the game today, was going to go with my 4 month old daughter but wasn't sure if east lothians finest would allow me to smuggle her in.
good win today for the diamonds today obviously can't comment on the performance, but glad to see Scott "too pish for Morton" McLaughlin on the score sheet again and by the sounds of it, not a bad strike either. If We can keep up the great defensive performance and score goals on the counter then theres defo hope of staying up. Even though our start to the season has been better than ANYONE expected, I'm still targeting 8th position, thats the ultimate aim and at this rate, it should be achieveable. only got Clyde and St J to see in the league now and based on prev results and scores etc, no-one should be fearing anyone in this league.

Edited : Spelling


Last time i checked Livi were in West Lothian. ;)
Pesadilla
Great result.
Overall it was a pretty poor game punctuated by two cracking Airdrie goals and some great goalkeeping from Robbo.
Dissappointed to lose the late goal, as were the Airdrie defence.
Special mention goes out to the Drum Beat Mafia who never stopped singing for the whole 90. Made for a cracking atmosphere laugh.gif .
The irony of them singing "Are you Clydebank in disguise?" was not lost on us, so thank you!
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (airdrieman @ Sep 14 2008, 10:59) *
it was a good win today although according to an elderly livi fan we cheated rolleyes.gif blink.gif laugh.gif and i agree about calum elliot he didn't deserve a goal and it's a shame he never done us a dance

If that was directed at me, I'm only 16 so get your facts right. I also didn't say you cheated, I said you time-wasted which is completely accurate. Deney that and be ridiculed by everyone who was at the game.
vikingTON
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 12:49) *
If that was directed at me, I'm only 16 so get your facts right. I also didn't say you cheated, I said you time-wasted which is completely accurate. Deney that and be ridiculed by everyone who was at the game.


You lot did the same at Cappielow - every team does...
Pesadilla
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 12:49) *
If that was directed at me, I'm only 16 so get your facts right. I also didn't say you cheated, I said you time-wasted which is completely accurate. Deney that and be ridiculed by everyone who was at the game.



Technically, time wasting is cheating, hence you can be carded for the offence.

Every team, when protecting an advantage, wastes time though. If you think that was the difference yesterday you're deluded.
EdinburghLivi
I know, I'm not deneying that teams do it but to say it's not cheating in a sense is rather blinkered. It's stopping the other team from attempting to play. I dislike seeing any team doing it and yesterday showed them doing it from about 60 minutes onwards. I can see why some people thought they cheated.

I've just realised that that guy's post probably wasn't directed at me but at someone he heard after the game.
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (Pesadilla @ Sep 14 2008, 12:54) *
Technically, time wasting is cheating, hence you can be carded for the offence.

Every team, when protecting an advantage, wastes time though. If you think that was the difference yesterday you're deluded.

As above.

The difference yesterday was your keeper and some piss poor defending from us. Your #3 was certainly over excessive on the time wasting front though.

Edit:- And when I said "I didn't say you were cheating" to the other guy I meant the literal word "cheating".
Pesadilla
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 12:58) *
As above.

The difference yesterday was your keeper and some piss poor defending from us. Your #3 was certainly over excessive on the time wasting front though.



No, the difference was that we had quality up front. You didn't.
We looked quite likely to score on just about every attack. You didn't.
Our passing was incisive. Yours wasn't.
Our defence was solid. Yours wasn't.

Incidentally, did the number 3 get booked for time wasting?
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (Pesadilla @ Sep 14 2008, 13:06) *
No, the difference was that we had quality up front. You didn't.
We looked quite likely to score on just about every attack. You didn't.
Our passing was incisive. Yours wasn't.
Our defence was solid. Yours wasn't.

Incidentally, did the number 3 get booked for time wasting?

So you're just dismissing your keeper's great performance? We had 3/4 shots on target that would have been goals against most other keepers in this league. I can honestly remember only 1 shot on target from your strikers and that was the goal. Quality my arse.

I'd agree with that one but I've already said our play down the wings was shite. We were seriously let down in those areas yesterday.

Passing incisive? You could have broke at least 2 or 3 more times than you did if your link-up between the strikers was more incisive. It was only slightly better than ours despite shitty performances from the people who need to pass well (McParland, Fox and Hamill).

Yes, that was one of my points.

Oh, come on. So if a player doesn't get a yellow card then by your standards he can't deserve one? That's utter bull.

Edited for poor grammar.
ThisCharmingMan
QUOTE
I can honestly remember only 1 shot on target from your strikers and that was the goal. Quality my arse.


Surely both goals were on target?

For the record, I don't think we were at our best yesterday, by any means (just consult today's papers and you'll see that KB agrees), I still think that this is a slight case of sour grapes though.

I don't think we should be overly praised for winning against an okay-ish Livingston side, but it's more a reflection on how we played than how you didn't play. I think that's all they're debating you over, nothing else.

thediamonddude
Im taking nothing away from Robbo as he was excellent yesterday, has been all season and in my view has been for a number of seasons so he does deserve credit. However, im getting concerned that the rest of the side aren't getting much credit for our results, not necessarily from our own support but just in general.

EdinburghLivi, you're making it sound like the only reason we won yesterday was because of our keeper and your own poor defending which is a lot of tosh designed to make you feel better about the fact that you lost to the relegation favourites.

Im not gullible enough to say we were great yesterday because we weren't. For the 1st 30 odd minutes Livingston were the btter side by a country mile, they passed the ball about well, created many good chances and had some excellent movement and in this period Robbo really kept us in it with a couple of very good saves. The goal may have come against the run of play but in my view when it did come, the game turned on its head.

I don't care if the defense could have done better, it was a great ball by Smyth and excellent control and finishing by Lynch. From then on I felt we were the much better side for most of the match we started to grow in confidence and knocked the ball about very nicely, we then maintained this standard into the second half and grabbed our second goal (an absolutee peach of a finnish I may add) through McLaughlin. It took Livi until the final 10 mins or so to even come close to the way they had played in the opening half hour and in my view this is enough of a justification for us being good enough to snatch the 3 points.

Landi was in the paper today moaning that because our keeper was man of the match and because they missed eight chances (his estimation, not mine) that it didn't tell the whole story of the match and they didn't deserve to lose. What he and many others fail to mention is that we probably had around eight very good chances as well and could have scored more than we did. Lynch missed 2 sitters, Mrtini tipped an excellent header over the bar, Darren Smith had an excellent run and his shot wasn't far off and Steven McDougall almost scored a magnificent solo goal after skinning 3 or 4 Livi players. So we were not outclassed over the full 90 mins and although I thought Livi were excellent in spells I feel we proved we are good enough to compete with the better teams in the league and that was without our best performance.

In any case, another great win for us yesterday, well done to the lads and lets hope we can keep it up for longer. I can't remember us having as good a start to a season in a very very long time.
LIVIFOREVER
QUOTE (thediamonddude @ Sep 14 2008, 15:52) *
Im taking nothing away from Robbo as he was excellent yesterday, has been all season and in my view has been for a number of seasons so he does deserve credit. However, im getting concerned that the rest of the side aren't getting much credit for our results, not necessarily from our own support but just in general.

EdinburghLivi, you're making it sound like the only reason we won yesterday was because of our keeper and your own poor defending which is a lot of tosh designed to make you feel better about the fact that you lost to the relegation favourites.

Im not gullible enough to say we were great yesterday because we weren't. For the 1st 30 odd minutes Livingston were the btter side by a country mile, they passed the ball about well, created many good chances and had some excellent movement and in this period Robbo really kept us in it with a couple of very good saves. The goal may have come against the run of play but in my view when it did come, the game turned on its head.

I don't care if the defense could have done better, it was a great ball by Smyth and excellent control and finishing by Lynch. From then on I felt we were the much better side for most of the match we started to grow in confidence and knocked the ball about very nicely, we then maintained this standard into the second half and grabbed our second goal (an absolutee peach of a finnish I may add) through McLaughlin. It took Livi until the final 10 mins or so to even come close to the way they had played in the opening half hour and in my view this is enough of a justification for us being good enough to snatch the 3 points.

Landi was in the paper today moaning that because our keeper was man of the match and because they missed eight chances (his estimation, not mine) that it didn't tell the whole story of the match and they didn't deserve to lose. What he and many others fail to mention is that we probably had around eight very good chances as well and could have scored more than we did. Lynch missed 2 sitters, Mrtini tipped an excellent header over the bar, Darren Smith had an excellent run and his shot wasn't far off and Steven McDougall almost scored a magnificent solo goal after skinning 3 or 4 Livi players. So we were not outclassed over the full 90 mins and although I thought Livi were excellent in spells I feel we proved we are good enough to compete with the better teams in the league and that was without our best performance.

In any case, another great win for us yesterday, well done to the lads and lets hope we can keep it up for longer. I can't remember us having as good a start to a season in a very very long time.



Not read all your post but as regards your keeper, IMO if we'd went 2 pr 3 nil up in the first 25 mins we'd have won easily, so your keeper did win you the game, also Innes gifting you the goal, albeit a good finish by your player, changed the game in your fave against the run of play, games can be won or lost by 1 thing happening, as was the case yesterday, bottom line is you deservedly won on how the game went, so you see it as a good game and we see it as disappointing being the loser.
Pesadilla
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 14:13) *
So you're just dismissing your keeper's great performance? We had 3/4 shots on target that would have been goals against most other keepers in this league. I can honestly remember only 1 shot on target from your strikers and that was the goal. Quality my arse.

I'd agree with that one but I've already said our play down the wings was shite. We were seriously let down in those areas yesterday.

Passing incisive? You could have broke at least 2 or 3 more times than you did if your link-up between the strikers was more incisive. It was only slightly better than ours despite shitty performances from the people who need to pass well (McParland, Fox and Hamill).

Yes, that was one of my points.

Oh, come on. So if a player doesn't get a yellow card then by your standards he can't deserve one? That's utter bull.

Edited for poor grammar.


You were obviously not watching the game, were you? 1 shot? I can remember Lynch alone had three glorious chances to score.
I'm not talking down the part Robertson had to play in keeping us in the game early on, but I am saying that every time we broke up the park we looked likely. In my opinion, it looked like Livingston could play all day and not breach our defense, which is why I'm dissappointed at losing the late goal. One of the best performers for Airdrie was McDougall, a midfielder, who ran up and down the wing all day long. After he and DiJac was taken off our side looked a bit flat, Livingston then started to really dominate the game and our counter attacks fizzled out.
With regards to time wasting, no-one was booked and an inordinate amount of time was added at the end. You can have no complaints. Had the ref taken your viewpoint there would have been a booking, surely?

Edited to add: Read the match reports in todays press. Backs up the Airdrie fans in this thread, makes you look just a little bitter.
Shooter McGavin
I think he means shots that the keeper had to save.

We did have a lot of chances but not many actually on target.

Splitting hairs if you ask me but its what we have had all season, its as if the opposition fans just copy what the previous team we have faced fans say.

Things like....

"Airdrie were poor but we were poorer...."
"Airdrie's keeper kept them in it" (true in some cases but wtf is he there for? to play badly?)
"Our players had an off day and Airdrie aren't that good to be honest"

With the exception of a few people, no-one can just say "Airdrie are a decent team and deserved to win"

Doesn't bother me too much to be honest, i'm happy for other teams to continue "having bad days" against Airdrie, long may it continue.
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (ThisCharmingMan @ Sep 14 2008, 15:52) *
Surely both goals were on target?

For the record, I don't think we were at our best yesterday, by any means (just consult today's papers and you'll see that KB agrees), I still think that this is a slight case of sour grapes though.

I don't think we should be overly praised for winning against an okay-ish Livingston side, but it's more a reflection on how we played than how you didn't play. I think that's all they're debating you over, nothing else.

Read my post again. Your strikers only had 1 shot on target between them is what I said.

Not at all sour grapes. I just don't think you were that much better than us for me to give praise to you. Give that it was a poor performance from us (in my view) that really doesn't give me a hint to give you that praise. If you'd been all over us I would have been happy to admit it but you really weren't.

QUOTE (Pesadilla @ Sep 14 2008, 16:53) *
You were obviously not watching the game, were you? 1 shot? I can remember Lynch alone had three glorious chances to score.
I'm not talking down the part Robertson had to play in keeping us in the game early on, but I am saying that every time we broke up the park we looked likely. In my opinion, it looked like Livingston could play all day and not breach our defense, which is why I'm dissappointed at losing the late goal. One of the best performers for Airdrie was McDougall, a midfielder, who ran up and down the wing all day long. After he and DiJac was taken off our side looked a bit flat, Livingston then started to really dominate the game and our counter attacks fizzled out.
With regards to time wasting, no-one was booked and an inordinate amount of time was added at the end. You can have no complaints. Had the ref taken your viewpoint there would have been a booking, surely?

Edited to add: Read the match reports in todays press. Backs up the Airdrie fans in this thread, makes you look just a little bitter.

Is illiteracy a problem for Airdrie supporters?

I don't think that is really a fair comment. Sure, you did look likely but I mean you really should have scored with the huge gap in our defence. Also, we weren't just passing it around in the middle of the park failing to get anywhere. We had a fair amount of corners in both halfs and as I've rambled on about again and again Robertson made a good few saves to keep you from conceding.

So you think referees are always right then? I'm sorry but your #3 on throw-ins was time-wasting everytime he got one. I've been accused on bias in this thread but really some of you should look at yourselves.


Diamonddude, I'll get onto your post in a moment. It's a fair read.
Pesadilla
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 17:17) *
Read my post again. Your strikers only had 1 shot on target between them is what I said.

Not at all sour grapes. I just don't think you were that much better than us for me to give praise to you. Give that it was a poor performance from us (in my view) that really doesn't give me a hint to give you that praise. If you'd been all over us I would have been happy to admit it but you really weren't.


Is illiteracy a problem for Airdrie supporters?

I don't think that is really a fair comment. Sure, you did look likely but I mean you really should have scored with the huge gap in our defence. Also, we weren't just passing it around in the middle of the park failing to get anywhere. We had a fair amount of corners in both halfs and as I've rambled on about again and again Robertson made a good few saves to keep you from conceding.

So you think referees are always right then? I'm sorry but your #3 on throw-ins was time-wasting everytime he got one. I've been accused on bias in this thread but really some of you should look at yourselves.


Diamonddude, I'll get onto your post in a moment. It's a fair read.



Read the newspapers.

Where did I say ref's are always right? I'm saying that had the time wasting been as obvious as you suggest, he'd have got a card. You're quite simply over-egging the pudding here, looking for excuses when there are none. Beaten by better attacking play and top class finishing.
ThisCharmingMan
QUOTE
Read my post again. Your strikers only had 1 shot on target between them is what I said.

Not at all sour grapes. I just don't think you were that much better than us for me to give praise to you. Give that it was a poor performance from us (in my view) that really doesn't give me a hint to give you that praise. If you'd been all over us I would have been happy to admit it but you really weren't.


It perhaps should be "goals" then rather than "the goal". It infers there was only one goal.

But then, maybe you should read my post again. I never said we should be praised. I even said that we shouldn't be praised for beating an alright-ish Livvy side.

What I did say is that it's more a reflection of us playing better than you did rather than you playing badly. I would state the same if Livvy had beaten us, as while I think neither side were on the top of their game, neither side was especially bad either.

We just took our chances, is all.

Anyhow, roll on Clyde!
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (thediamonddude @ Sep 14 2008, 15:52) *
Im taking nothing away from Robbo as he was excellent yesterday, has been all season and in my view has been for a number of seasons so he does deserve credit. However, im getting concerned that the rest of the side aren't getting much credit for our results, not necessarily from our own support but just in general.

EdinburghLivi, you're making it sound like the only reason we won yesterday was because of our keeper and your own poor defending which is a lot of tosh designed to make you feel better about the fact that you lost to the relegation favourites.

Im not gullible enough to say we were great yesterday because we weren't. For the 1st 30 odd minutes Livingston were the btter side by a country mile, they passed the ball about well, created many good chances and had some excellent movement and in this period Robbo really kept us in it with a couple of very good saves. The goal may have come against the run of play but in my view when it did come, the game turned on its head.

I don't care if the defense could have done better, it was a great ball by Smyth and excellent control and finishing by Lynch. From then on I felt we were the much better side for most of the match we started to grow in confidence and knocked the ball about very nicely, we then maintained this standard into the second half and grabbed our second goal (an absolutee peach of a finnish I may add) through McLaughlin. It took Livi until the final 10 mins or so to even come close to the way they had played in the opening half hour and in my view this is enough of a justification for us being good enough to snatch the 3 points.

Landi was in the paper today moaning that because our keeper was man of the match and because they missed eight chances (his estimation, not mine) that it didn't tell the whole story of the match and they didn't deserve to lose. What he and many others fail to mention is that we probably had around eight very good chances as well and could have scored more than we did. Lynch missed 2 sitters, Mrtini tipped an excellent header over the bar, Darren Smith had an excellent run and his shot wasn't far off and Steven McDougall almost scored a magnificent solo goal after skinning 3 or 4 Livi players. So we were not outclassed over the full 90 mins and although I thought Livi were excellent in spells I feel we proved we are good enough to compete with the better teams in the league and that was without our best performance.

In any case, another great win for us yesterday, well done to the lads and lets hope we can keep it up for longer. I can't remember us having as good a start to a season in a very very long time.

I didn't take credit away from your whole side. I did say that I thought DiGiacomo (possibly an oversight after having a day to think about it) and McLaughlin played well. Your number 7 was also impressive. Defensively as a unit you weren't bad but I didn't think they stood out. Overrated compared to the reports I've heard. Bailed out by Robertson on a few occasions.

But that is what I feel. For us, I know I'd prefer an honest report from the opposition supporters on how we played and not some good sportsmanship pish when we weren't very good. If you don't feel the same way then I apologise but that's my style.

Lynch could play with what he was given, I'm not blaming him. End of the day, that ball should have never got him in the first place because it should have been dealt with easily twice. The better side but only because our player's heads went down and we started playing shit. I really didn't think that you were good beyond that. The comparison after and before the goal was unbelievable. Had we dealt with that easily as we should have, we wouldn't have conceded and we probably would have gone on to win.

Most of the other things I agree with. We didn't deserve to win the match, no way.







EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (Pesadilla @ Sep 14 2008, 17:34) *
Read the newspapers.

Where did I say ref's are always right? I'm saying that had the time wasting been as obvious as you suggest, he'd have got a card. You're quite simply over-egging the pudding here, looking for excuses when there are none. Beaten by better attacking play and top class finishing.

You implied (and still are) implying that because the guy wasn't booked and that it wasn't a bookable offence. Some referees treat time-wasting differently and that one yesterday was lenient. He should have been booked.

Looking for excuses? Look at the goals for crying out loud. Both of them should have been dealt with. Your players finished well on those occasions but they shouldn't have got the opportunites.

QUOTE (ThisCharmingMan @ Sep 14 2008, 18:03) *
It perhaps should be "goals" then rather than "the goal". It infers there was only one goal.

But then, maybe you should read my post again. I never said we should be praised. I even said that we shouldn't be praised for beating an alright-ish Livvy side.

What I did say is that it's more a reflection of us playing better than you did rather than you playing badly. I would state the same if Livvy had beaten us, as while I think neither side were on the top of their game, neither side was especially bad either.

We just took our chances, is all.

Anyhow, roll on Clyde!

Does it? " I can honestly remember only 1 shot on target from your strikers and that was the goal. Quality my arse."

Some other people are however. They seem to think that I should just say that you deserved to win when I don't think there was much, if anything, between the two.

That's subject to opinion. As above, I really don't think there was much difference betwen the sides.

I'd agree with that. You could have had more but you took the chances that really mattered and we didn't mostly because of your goalkeeper.
Nizzy
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 19:16) *
Some other people are however. They seem to think that I should just say that you deserved to win when I don't think there was much, if anything, between the two.

Of course they deserved it. Their keeper kept you out and they scored more goals than you. How can you say they didn't?
Pesadilla
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 19:16) *
You implied (and still are) implying that because the guy wasn't booked and that it wasn't a bookable offence. Some referees treat time-wasting differently and that one yesterday was lenient. He should have been booked.

Looking for excuses? Look at the goals for crying out loud. Both of them should have been dealt with. Your players finished well on those occasions but they shouldn't have got the opportunites.



No, I'm implying that your wrong. We weren't overly guilty of time wasting. When your bitterness level has dropped a notch you might come to realise that. Anyway, the amount of time added at the end of the match was excessive and I stand by my comment that I didn't think your attacking play merited anything nevermind the consolation goal.
As for the goals being preventable, well 9/10 goals are. You occassionally get a piece of individual brilliance but at this level, mostly though, it's a mistake, mistimed tackle or sloppy possession which leads to a goal. How you could have prevented McLaughlin's goal, I don't know.
You're sounding your age on this thread.
Ade Eyemond
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 11:49) *
Deney that and be ridiculed by everyone who was at the game.



QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 11:56) *
I know, I'm not deneying that teams do it but to say it's not cheating in a sense is rather blinkered.



QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 16:17) *
Is illiteracy a problem for Airdrie supporters?


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stuartcraig
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 14 2008, 12:49) *
I'm only 16


Which explains why you sound like Kevin the Teenager.

Take your defeat like a man sonny. It's character building. You'll be a better person for it.

Stuart
A186
QUOTE (stuartcraig @ Sep 15 2008, 00:57) *
Which explains why you sound like Kevin the Teenager.

Take your defeat like a man sonny. It's character building. You'll be a better person for it.

Stuart


Stuart

Expect about 72 further posts from EdinburghLivi in relation to your post.
A simple "your team were better" would have sufficed but ah suppose thats too much to ask and would probably stick in his throat should he attempt to say it.
EdinburghLivi
QUOTE (Nizzy @ Sep 14 2008, 19:20) *
Of course they deserved it. Their keeper kept you out and they scored more goals than you. How can you say they didn't?

Is that not a view typical of someone who wasn't at the game? Not saying we were but we could have been all over them and still lost. You can deserve a victory on the balance of play and still win or lose. I think a draw would have been fairer but at the end of the day, my view isn't going to change the score.

QUOTE (Pesadilla @ Sep 14 2008, 20:18) *
No, I'm implying that your wrong. We weren't overly guilty of time wasting. When your bitterness level has dropped a notch you might come to realise that. Anyway, the amount of time added at the end of the match was excessive and I stand by my comment that I didn't think your attacking play merited anything nevermind the consolation goal.
As for the goals being preventable, well 9/10 goals are. You occassionally get a piece of individual brilliance but at this level, mostly though, it's a mistake, mistimed tackle or sloppy possession which leads to a goal. How you could have prevented McLaughlin's goal, I don't know.
You're sounding your age on this thread.

I insist that if you weren't at your end, you would have seen how much he time-wasted. I can see I'm not going to convince you however. Once again, I'm not bitter. Simply annoyed at how our own players let us down. As I said, Airdrie took the two chances they were presented and I'm not going to hold that against them. I don't know what sort of injury-time we had but my dad seemed to think there was a good ten minutes to go at one point and elliot scored about ten minutes later. We only had one attack after that which seemed to suggest it was pretty fair. Even with our domination for the first 30 minutes? There were a good few chances in that time which we could have gone ahead with. I'd say we were worth at least a goal.
I know but the mistakes were horrible. It's not just a loose pass or a mistimed tackle in those cases. #1 saw Innes attempt to header a ball that was about a foot off of the ground when he was under pressure by Lynch. #2 saw the worst case of stepping away from a player that I have seen for a long time.

QUOTE (Ade Eyemond @ Sep 14 2008, 22:40) *
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Pardon me. There is a difference between criticising someone when the person has not read correctly and a person simply spelling a word wrong though.

QUOTE (stuartcraig @ Sep 15 2008, 00:57) *
Which explains why you sound like Kevin the Teenager.

Take your defeat like a man sonny. It's character building. You'll be a better person for it.

Stuart

If I took the loss, then I would just be accepting defeat of my own view which is the opposite of character building. Weakens my character badly actually.

QUOTE (A186 @ Sep 15 2008, 01:24) *
Stuart

Expect about 72 further posts from EdinburghLivi in relation to your post.
A simple "your team were better" would have sufficed but ah suppose thats too much to ask and would probably stick in his throat should he attempt to say it.

I don't think you get it. What's the point in coming on here to debate when you give up on your own views and just accept what other fans (the opposition fans no less who see the game from a different perspective) have to think about the games?
Ade Eyemond
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 15 2008, 00:56) *
Pardon me. There is a difference between criticising someone when the person has not read correctly and a person simply spelling a word wrong though.


"simply spelling a word wrongly" actually - As you've decided to make a big deal of such things.
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stuartcraig
QUOTE (EdinburghLivi @ Sep 15 2008, 01:56) *
I don't think you get it. What's the point in coming on here to debate when you give up on your own views and just accept what other fans (the opposition fans no less who see the game from a different perspective) have to think about the games?


Oh, I get the point of debate, but you don't get mine and others' point when we say you're sounding like a whiny wee boy.

Stuart
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