45 mins gone, what a load of crap.

This is international football, always crap games and nobody bothering their arse.

Time to scrap the internationals, they only get in the way of the Champions League.

All you middle class types that follow Scotland abroad, go back to supporting the Rugby and Gie us all peace,

If you think it's shite, don't watch it.

What i was gonna say Mike. How is it going? or shouldnt i of asked?


Before people say anything, remember, ITS JUST A FRIENDLY.

Cant say anything till proper qualifiers start.

3-0 now, Vogts should ffuk off now and give someone else a shot at the WC qualifiers. We are just an embarassment in international terms.

I told you, International football sucks, Herr Vogts is doing you all a favour and making you see sense.

Club football is much better.

I sense another crap debate between that wee twat Euan Cameron and Roughy on Real Radio tomorrow

Euan: Vogts must go
Roughy: Judge him on the competetive matches
Euan: Vogts must go
Roughy: Judge him on the competetive matches
Euan: Vogts must go
Roughy: Judge him on the competetive matches
Euan: Vogts must go
Roughy: Judge him on the competetive matches

Regardless wether or not it is the lack of talent we supposedly have ? Vogts should go.

We have guys who are good enough to play in premiership games week in and week out yet we seem to get nothing from them. That can only be down to management. they are the ineffective ones in the team.

Beaten by another team below us in rankings...should help us slip down that table too...no chance of qualifying with vogts in charge.

Sack him if he doesn't leave I say.

Here we go...Vogts heid called for by everyone! It wasnt that bad! We lost to a penalty that wasnt a penalty, an unstoppable wonder goal, and a crappy own goal. We could have won that game if the heids hadnt gone down after the second goal. Lots of positives to be gained.

Ill tell you what was shocking! That fecking sky english twat of a commentator! Doom gloom, doom again, a bit more gloom, writing us off, saying that slovenia will beat us....its only a friendly! I turned it to mute because by about 70 mins, he didna even talk about the game, just wrote the entire team off for the qualifiers. Rob McLean, all is forgiven, I prefer your commentating!

That was a f'ckin disgrace tonight F'ckin embarassing to watch

Vogts out NOW!

Now Vogts hasnt got everything right by any means, but I think he can get us to the world cup. If he doesnt, then by all means its time for a change, but not now. Keep the strength, we werent that bad tonight!

Who all thinks we're going to make the WC 2006?

He starting to make Craig Brown look like Sir Alex Ferguson!

This is serious, it has gone beyond embarrasment!

We cant afford to pay him off, that stupid idiot Taylor is the guy who brought him in, he should resign immediately!

The is the latest in a row of absolutely dire results

Anyone, anyone but Vogts!!

He's like the John Hughes of international management

Okay

We had a settled team, until the second goal went in we were more than a match for Hungary, we could have scored goals, and if that penalty hadnt gone in, we would have won.

Its only a Friendly, Craig Brown won them as often as Vogts has. We have got some established internationals, in future there wont be too many debutants. Come the competitive games, there is a core of established players as well as players fighting for everyones places. No-one is simply in the side because we have no-one else.

We honestly didnt play that badly though, the sky commentary made it seem a LOT worse than it was!

So, 1 defeat in 10 games in a country of 5 million (with 3.5 million too young, too old, unfit or foreign to play) and this is not good enough? I think people are getting delusions about the size of Scotland. No-one should get sacked because of friendly results! Get a grip!



Edited because of

4 defeats?? Name em!

I can think Germany and Holland.

I can understand the criticism he gets, but the mans never been given a chance from the start! Like I said, if he doesnt get us to the cup then we should ditch him, but if he makes it, there will be a lot of humble pie eaten all around Scotland!

Vogts Must Go Website

A site i've found about Mr Vogts

By the way xbasslichtie, if we didnt play badly tonight, can you give us any worse examples of a Scotland performance.

Wales, Faroes, France, Holland Away, Lituania, they've all been dire. Its not going to improve and thats why change is needed now.

Ok, the performance was not great. The players just seemed to have no coheasion (sp?) about them. Passes, especially in the 2nd half, were not going to men in yellow shirts, it just wasn't a great game overall really. It deserved to be a 0-0. The penalty was unlucky, the boy who hit the 2nd will never hit another better and well the 3rd...I don't think that should be talked about.

Scotland were looking very comfortable and in control, without creating anything. We just gave up after going 2-0 down, which isn't acceptable. However, all will be forgotten, I'm sure, if we beat Slovenia. However, a defeat at Hampden on Septemeber 8th and then against Norway the next month then, yes, we can start thinking about replacements I think. If we lose both those games then our chances are over and then it will be time to start a fresh.

However, right now, we should try to get behind the team and try to just forget about the friendlies. Tonight was just a bad performance overall. I think I would only give a few people pass marks, and, we can't blame Berti for players underacheiving in tonight's game, can we?

Humped 3-0 at home to Hungary and all Vogts can say is that they have to work harder and learn. What the fúck have they been doing for the last 2 years he's been in charge? Why was Gary Holt playing as a right back? I thought we'd seen the last of players playing out of position when Brown did the right thing and chucked it. Vogts should do the same.

Thought that Ferguson looked class tonight but only him and McFadden(1st half) got pass marks.

Been a fan of Berti 'cause he's got a team with potential together but bad results in the next two games and he must go. He's an old skool international manager and I think there are a lot better technical coaches out there who could take Scotland forward.

It's not so much the results, it's some of Vogts' choices. I think playing Gary Holt is a bad decision anyway but to play him at right back is ridiculous. We were getting taken apart down the wings and Vogts did nothing about it. He decided halfway through the match to change the system that he seemed to have settled on. Why did Marshall play ahead of Craig Gordon?

You could say that it wasn't a penalty, the second was a peach and the third was unlucky. You could also say that Webster put in a stupid challenge, Huszti was allowed to run unchallenged for 30 yards and the third was just awful defending. Losing in friendlies is fine if you learn from your mistakes. We're making plenty of mistakes and we're learning nothing.

But you dont know if we have or havent learned from them untill proper games. I mean how many scottish people were trying their hardest tnite? they were probably only giving 50-70%. THat is the problem with friendlys, players dont want to over exert themselves incase they get an injury and miss the start of the season.

As i have said all along, if he struggles in world cup qualifiers then he should go, but if he gets there, i bet you will all change your mind about him.

Just home fom game so here goes ya bangers

Total pishflaps.

I thank you

the John McVeigh translation service.

German:- Boo Boys won't make me quit
Scottish:- SFA can't afford to sack me.

Berti should go and he should go now. Gary Holt, a midfielder at right back, Caldwell, a defender in midfield? Says it all really.

Im agreeing with Raving on....the Daily Retard must be CREAMING themselves! It was a case of effort. Until half time I thought we looked quite good! We certaintly didnt deserve to be a goal down with that "penalty". The second goal was just awesome, and after that everyone bar Barry Ferguson, Quashie (who didnt really impress me), and Naysmith stopped making any effort. If it had been a competitive match, I feel we could have won.

Incidentally, it was good to see the wee ned back playing for Scotland (make the most of it, thats it for the season). Ive criticised him in the past, but at least he is a fighter. I was impressed when he grabbed the hungary player and told him in no uncertain terms that there was a man down.

First didn't look too bad. Quashie seemed up for it with a few decent shots and we seemed the better team but without any cutting edge. Then the penalty when webster fell over and the guy tripped over his own feet (looked a penalty from behind though). Was the penalty not their first effort on target? Then the wondergoal (if dailly had been playing he wouldn't have got that space, three defenders just stood and watched). And the third was marshalls fault. He threw himself at the ball which he was never getting, if pressley wasnt there it was a tap into an empty net. A better keeper would have stayed or would have been in a better strating position to come for the cross.
I've already paid for my slovenia and norway tickets!!!

Firstly, all friendlies should be played outside of Hampden at grounds like Easter Road, Tnecastle etc, the atmosphere was terrible last night, compare that to the T&T game where there was about the same size of crowd

Secondly, why the fcuk Holt was played at right back is beyond me. The guy has played a holding midfield role his whole career and doesn't have the pace for right back, must be a kick in the baws to the likes of McNamee. Quashie is the only one that wanted to pass and move, the rest just passed the ball and stood still, Fletcher in particular was shocking last night but he was getting some ott abuse from sections of the crowd. Also Gary Caldwell is utter bollocks why the fcuk is he continously picked in the squad?

I think that when you first see the penalty incident then it is a penalty. Only when you you see the slowed down replays does it look like he conned the ref. For the third goal most of the blame must lie with Naysmith. If you allow wingers to get to the byline and cross unchallenged then you're asking for trouble.

Yeah but could we take india at cricket?

Berti has got to go, the guy doesn't have the fainest idea what to do
Living in England and us being so shit = disaster

The best thing that could happen to us, is to geat fucking humped by Spain then got shagged in the 1st qualifier, and get rid of this nob head. Lets start again! this time appoint a passionate SCOTTISH manager, Gordon Strachan, Neale Cooper of Hartlepool, somebody who actually gives a f**k about the sad state of our country!!

F*ck paying him off. He's done nothing to deserve a pay off. He should do the decent thing and walk.