..do you reckon your club will spend in the first division?

I will go for an even four.

I quite like it here. I think we should set up camp (mind you, it is getting a little windy outside).

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Thanks for that, you make posting look like an art form.

two or five.

We'll be out within, ooh, 9 months?
Although our passage will be secured after about 7.

For ever.

How random.

1 or 4

if its not 8 months then i owe SSPCA £20

Not really. If we don't get promoted within 2 years, a lot of players will move on. That means rebuilding all over again, thus another 2-3 years to wait (unless of course, we fall through the other way)

7 years like last time.

Dunno, it's pretty much down to money and going on a run for a few games.
I don't think, if we fail this season, our fans would put up with the board not backing the manager.
We have a SPL setup and we really should be back there.
I quite like it here though, the SPL is pretty shite to be honest and the bottom six aren't any better than the top six of the first.

God only knows.

Certainly not <1, that's for sure...

If we (somehow) survive this season, then we'll be here for a few years yet.

Not when we get promoted this season.

2 years. cant wait, i will party like its 1999

I've got my tent pitched outside the north stand...






















f**k

Sat in the Stand today thinking exactly the same thing.

I reckon we are turning into a Partick or a Morton, just being happy with mid table humdrum, turning over a profit off a cup run every few years.

It's not happening at McD just now. Something broken and needs fixing.

Never felt good before a ball was kicked.

At least Dundee are as shite as us.

In fairness, they are 6 points better off in the league, and haven't been beaten by anything greater than a 2 goal margin this season...

The obsession continues. Please get another team to focus on.

We are?

Dundee aren't good, but they tend to grind out results. Saints would appear to just be shit

I mean FFS, they just lost at home to Clyde for the second successive season

I suppose Dunfermline are world beaters now??

right now id sell my left ball for mid table humdrum

Is it just me or is the 1st Division starting to make everyone depressed?

Most of the clubs are of SPL size, the fans of those clubs feel their club should be in the SPL, that leads to depression among them.

In fact its a great division, much more entertaining than the SPL and far more competitive, its just the SPL is where the money is, in the first your in a backwater, ignored by the media and ignored by the money men.

There are countless sides in this league good enough to be playing in the SPL, many better even than some sides are in the SPL currently. But given the nature of the automatic promotion spot, only one of these sides is given the opportunity to progress; the other clubs will lose their best players, over successive seasons, to the "top" teams.

This means they will need to spend the next season or two rebuilding, only to get to the point of having something like a one in three shot at making it back to the SPL.

It amazes me that clubs stand back and take this pish

n.b. to all the wankers who insist on pointing the finger of responsibility...you should have done more to stop it.

That is all

Exactly what would have stopped it?

I don't see fit to complain about it so why on earth would I have a solution?

But the implication of "you should have done more to stop it" is that more could have been done.

Is it not obvious that there was in fact virtually nothing that could be done to stop it, short of burning down every SPL club's ground and pissing on the ashes?

I don't think we'll go up this season but next season is a definete possibility. If we can finish in the top 5, we should be able to push on and certainly challenge well for promotion next season.

So 2 years for me.

That's not my problem.

If you see fit to complain then you should put just as much energy into coming up with a solution. I would actually argue that fault for the current situation rests firmly at the doors of those who FAILED to act, not the other way round.

What teams were in the spl when the 1 up 1 down system was introduced?
Pretty sure dundee were in division 1. So which teams are now losing out because of their own greed.

I'm not saying it is your problem.

All I'm saying is that you can't really fault those who "Failed to act" when there was no other way for them to do so other than the way they did.

Clyde win spend another 2 or 3 years minimum in the First.

OH DEARY ME A BITTER SAINTIE .....NOW THERE IS A SURPRISE

Rangers
Celtic
Hearts
Hibs
Dundee Utd
Kilmarnock
Dunfermline
St Johnstone
Motherwell
Aberdeen

That's bullshite. Dunfermline were promoted in second along with St Mirren who were 1st Division champions. Falkirk were denied promotion saving Aberdeen because of the ground criteria.

It was Dundee. At the point of expansion, the SPL table was as follows:

Rangers
Celtic
Hearts
Motherwell
St Johnstone
Hibs
Dundee
Dundee United
Kilmarnock
Aberdeen.

It was following the expansion that the 1 up 1 down system was introduced.

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I know yous just got humped off Airdrie but are yous really that bad? I mean come on you'll beat us.

Perhaps you have missed our destination?

I think he's just saying how "crap" Thistle are, actually.

No, just how we never do very well against Morton.

Queue a barrage of comments about Thistle not caring when Morton beat them

One up, one down was in existence since the end of the final season of the SFL Premier Division in 1997-98 (in preparation for 98-99). Dundee were promoted at the expense of Hibs, hence although they were members of the SPL in its first season, they were not  part-founders.

In the inaugaral season of the SPL, Dunfermline were relagated with Hibs being promoted. 

It was at the end of season 1999-00 that Aberdeen were spared relegation and St Mirren and Dunfermline were both promoted so as to make up a 12-team league in 2000-01. That is the only time the SPL has admitted more than one team (aside from when it was first formed, of course, when it admitted 10).

There was a play-off system with the 10 team league wasn't it? If I'm wrong I sincerely apologise!

Weren't there stadium criteria even back then, which could have "prevented" a play-off between 2nd and 9th.

Perhaps it was a play-off system, it was this translated into "one up, one down" anyway, because the team finishing top of the First Division came up in both seasons of the 10-team setup (Dundee replacing Hibs for the first season and Hibs replacing Dunfermline for the second season).

Besides, why does it being a play-off make things any better? Surely the introduction of an automatic (ground permitting) promotion spot in its place was an improvement? (Yes, I'm aware it's not much better, but it's an improvement nonetheless.)

That was the point I was making! It was only changed to a rigid one up one down after Dundee were in the SPL. Before that, and before the creation of the SPL, it was 1 up one down plus a 9th/2nd play-off if the team in second place fulfilled requirements.

I've got the wrong end of the stick, then!

I assumed you were trying to blame Dundee for making the SPL a closed-shop, something that many have tried to do in the past.

My apologies.