Saw it advertised at the weekend at the English league games and saw a fifa thread so i thought why not any news on what teams or what new things will be added. Lets hope that its better than 2008

From the FIFA thread..




To be honest, I wouldn't expect a big change from 2008. It's well known that it was released before it was ready, which is why so many people disliked 2008, imo, because it just doesn't feel as compact a game as it's predecessors. With 2009 I expect to see the gameplay tightened up, the AI improved (keepers specifically but all over the pitch), and the frame rate problem suffered by some users removed. Don't expect the game structure to change other than the inclusion of a new career mode, like FIFA's "Be A Pro". Not sure what to make of that really, as the AI of players in either title don't really lend to controlling only one player. It's still a nice addition (in both FIFA and PES, although it's been the basis of New Star Soccer* for ages).

The disappointing thing is that Konami are going to keep with the Master League structure. I like realism in my footy games. Not just the game engine but the whole trimmings too. Ok, you have a league and mock cups, but every PES fan, even the die hard ones (like me.. ), has to admit FIFA is miles ahead with that.

The transfer system needs a complete overhaul, although it's just as daft as FIFAs. The problem I suppose is how far do you go with that. Football Manager is obviously the epitome of a detailed player/transfer/social aspect interaction, but it would take ages to write a dedicated football game that took everything both FM and PES and merged them. It is the holy grail of footy games though.

Captains still need to interact more. This isn't really implemented in either game. While you can select a captain, it's entirely questionable whether it makes any difference, and certainly up until 2008 they didn't in PES. It was discussed at the time if they would make a difference to your overall team performance but I can't say I've noticed a difference in 2008.

Weather is STILL not properly implemented (in either FIFA or PES). Ok, you can have rainy or snowy pitches, but weather isn't static like that throughout 90 minutes. 2009 is supposed to have improved lighting effects, I don't know if they are dynamic though. I would love to have something like that implemented. Imagine the fun of a game during winter at 3pm, the rain starts belting down, the wind picks up and the light dims as it gets darker only for the floodlights to come on.

We might see the stadium builder tool being included this time round, again there was a lot of chat about it and even some screenshots of a PS3 version running a debug version of the stadium designer although a lot of people thought it photoshopped and Konami have never confirmed or denied it's existence. The way stadiums are included in 2008 is quite different (in the code) which means it's considerably difficult for patchers to include new stadiums into the game. For example, the Superpatch for PES6 added about an extra 12 stadiums to the game. The same coders who created that patch said they weren't able to use the same method for 2008, so you have to wonder why Konami changed it. It does suggest that maybe an editor/designer was planned but dropped.

I would also like to see true 360' control using an analogue joypad. That was another thing removed from 2008. It was considered not implemented well enough to be in the final release, but now they've had a couple of months to tweak with it, it would be a real step forward in terms of realism.

As you see, there are lots of little things to tidy up. We all know 2008 wasn't as much of an evolution from PES6 and more a side step, but I still contest that it's core game engine physics is better than FIFA and for that reason alone, I have faith that with some tweaks here and there it can improve into a really good game.

* NSS is quite fun actually. Not as good an engine as the commercial games, but fun none the less. You can even play a demo of it online, here. Although be warned, you can only play it using IE as it uses an ActiveX plugin (which you will be prompted to install) to show the game in the browser. I installed it and it worked fine for me.

The videos of it look pretty good it has to be said, people have said it feels like pes5, which would be great.

The only thing the videos show to me is a difference in the way the crowd are drawn and the AI has been beefed up a little so the players now actively seek out space when you are attacking.

I wish they would put more stadiums in.
I hate playing the master league in the same ground time after time.
What PES had Liverpool, Chelsea, United and others?
Some of the new fancy 3D stadiums are shite and unrealistic.

A mixture between licensing and the possibility of a stadium editor (read my long post) probably answers some of your points. Although I agree there simply isn't enough of them in the game. At a guess there are about 120 teams in PES (club and country) and there are only about 16 stadiums.

Where can I find these videos? youtube i presume. I presume Konami will stick with the same old pattern of having two teams from the premiership so hopefully Konami will anounce that soon enough, and im the only person who really likes the master league format?

How does Fifa's work?

On your point about taking features from FM, I'd love a game to even have a similar non-playing engine to CM2 (or 01/02 if we're really pushing the boat out!).

Well put it this way, I signed Ambrosini for Notts County in League 2 on a free in FIFA08.

any idea if the edit function will be improved? It was royally shite in 2008!

I would expect them to make minor changes to each installment as the years go on.

Pro Ev 5 was the pinnacle of the Pro Ev games. Graphics aside, the new versions on next-gen can't touch it.

Aye - I managed to make a carbon copy of the ross county strip of that season. I hate the fact that there are only 12 strips to choose from in edit mode in 08, and that you cant make your own badge!

The ref was a bit of a dick in '05 though - free kicks all over the shop.

The interview with Seabass definitely says they have made big improvements to the Edit mode. A small video in the background while he's talking about it seems to suggest you CAN make your own team badges again. He also says you can import sound files, as well as pictures.

The good thing from the PC perspective is that you can get unofficial patches for everything, from names and faces, strips and badges, boots and balls, formations and transfer moves so you don't need to go near the edit function in the slightest.

The xbox demo is available on thursday

According to Wikipedia they won't even have the licensed Spanish league in the next game.

I was hoping for maybe a new league such as the Bundesliga - pretty disappointing to hear that your losing half of one.

Plenty of Swedish, Danish and Romanian teams though

Apparantley not Konami have issued a statement saying that the demo will be available 2 weeks before release

It's the Fifa demo that's out on Thursday.

I am soooo gutted about that! well suppose i did get that from wikipedia. Ahwell i shall download Fifa

Im going to get the pc version this time around so i can tank ric.

Where'd you hear that? I haven't seen any Konami statement and everywhere I've looked says 11th September.

Agreed. I yearn for PES5 shooting and heading. They ruined it big time thereafter IMO.

to be honest I've never seen anything in ProEvo that would make me switch, maybe it's because i've had every fifa on one console or another. I got PES208 with my xbox last year and gave it a go for a couple of weeks before exchanging it.

I don't care if it's shite
I will still buy it

Some magazine that gave PES08 70% has given PES09 97%, so its looking promising.

Same here! I just can stand those Fifa players who think Pes is rubbish cus they dont have the real strips. Absolute woofters if you ask me.

PES2008 is generally regarded as pretty shit compared to it's predecessors. You still get exciting games on it though.
If they iron out all the problems they had with PES2008, PES2009 will probably be the greatest football game ever made.

When the Wii version comes out, yes it will

PES gets UEFA licence

Brilliant, can't wait to play London Blue versus Old Firm Green in a fully licenced Champions League

Amazing!

You should get a patch, mate. It'll sort out all the licensing.

Oh, wait, silly me, you can't you aren't on a PC..

I love this line. But erm....won't FIFA have both these teams in their game along with the other 18 PL teams, along with every major league in Europe.......etc

That's really throwing the gauntlet down Konami

Aye kin whats the point of that , i have to say as soon as i got my ps3 i was excited to get pro ev as i much preferred it on the ps2 compared to fifa but it looks as though fifa are by far in the lead now and pro ev will need to raise its game lots , it used to be pro ev = great gameplay , shit effects no real teams , leagues etc and fifa = shite gameplay but great effects it looks as though its now pro ev = shite gameplay and effects , fifa = great gameplay and great effects.

Villarreal look as though they're licensed based on THIS screenshot from the site someone linked earlier.

its not hard to work out the teams though so that doesnt really bother me!

was very disapointed with pro2008. although is was the ps2 version

hopefully pro09 on the ps3 will be immense

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=31748

gameplay footage from PES 2009, well it must be 2009 because it says so, although to me it just looks like theyve changed the logo and put in on PES 2008.

After watching that and realising its the exact same game with the exact same commentary i think it would be safe to say that FIFA has won the battle this year as the FIFA demo is amazing.

Im more interested in how the gameplay is to be honest, but anyway ill still buy and i cant wait to get a master league started up

I think it's pretty much accepted that 2009, will be 2008 polished.

Which on one side isn't a bad thing as 2008 was released unfinished, and on the PC it's absolutely miles ahead of FIFA, but those who took an instant dislike for 2008 aren't going to be swayed by this release.

Probably not no, i stuck on the PC version of pro evo last week and was amazed how much better it is over the console versions.

That said i liked the demo of fifa09 on the pc as well, graphics are pretty nice with all the eye candy turned up.

I'm glad that someone finally agrees with me!


It's still that juddery 3D engine they've been using for years. Nothing more than a facelift. For FIFA to really take on PES on the PC they need to port over their next gen engine. The reason they don't is that EA claim they want to support older computers but that's a stupid argument as they provide different versions for, say, the PS2 and PS3, yet they are both PS machines.

When is the PES 09 demo out btw , anyone know.

I doubt there will be one available before the game is officially released (19th Oct). The demo was pegged at 11th Sept, but has not materialised.

I heard that the game had been put back till nov, hopefully its not true.

Possible, but I can't see what they would need to do that for unless it's squeezing in the CL licence.

It is effectively a polished 2008, that's more or less been confirmed by people who have seen 2009 (search youtube for the Leipzig demo).

PES has always been quite bad for that in my experience, especially as in the more recent editions.

I've seen some completely crazy games where the ref has just went mad and brandished red cards for everything.

Free kicks, goal kicks (in fact any distribution from the GK) and throw ins are all mince on the PES. Corner kicks are a little better but the rest of them seriously need an overhaul.

Does anyone seriously score goals from free kicks from about 30 meters out? No matter which type of kick you make it's nigh on impossible for you to produce a floating free kick for your attacker to head in.

360' direction control is also needing implemented for the game as well as these set pieces.

For me, whenever I try to put the ball in the box from a free kick, no matter where I am the kicker just hits it straight infront of himself, which inevitably leads to the keeper getting the ball.

The R2 button held with the 'high ball' button on the PS3 control gives you a floated ball in. Is there not an equivalent on the PC version Ric?

I have probably about 3 times out of all the games I've had - 4, 5, 6 and 2008. How do you judge them? You'd think it'd be hit the middle of the wee bar thing but it's not. If you hit the middle it'll hit the wall so then you think I'll put it a bit over the middle of the bar and then it goes flying over. Does my tits in!

Yup, using the PS2 pad on the PC, either X takes a shot or O lobs it in. I have some control over the direction with X, but with O it is one of three directions, way left, at the keeper or way right.


There is an R2 button, but it doesn't seem to come into play with the set pieces.


You would think there is a sensible formula for it. I can understand better free kick players will need a different level on the power bar, but even using the same player over and over again, it's difficult to judge it. I think randomisation is a brilliant addition to a footy game. There have been many times I've taken a touch in real football and it's gone the wrong direction I expected (and I should say here, I'm not a bad player) but when it comes to set pieces that sort of randomisation shouldn't be included.