HAMPDEN SWIRL
Aug 10 2008, 12:13
For the Czech friendly, had it not been for injuries, he'd have picked people like Kevin Thompson, Christian Dailly, Steven Whittaker and there was even talk at some point about Charlie Adam.
All useless.
Add to that Lee McCulloch in midfield anyway.
Once fit, he should bring in people like Naysmith, Burke, Riordan and just attack all the time with other people like Maloney, McFadden, Miller, Boyd
The defenders are OK, but let's see all out attack and get away from defensive tactics all the time.
Agree?
QUOTE (HAMPDEN SWIRL @ Aug 10 2008, 13:13)

For the Czech friendly, had it not been for injuries, he'd have picked people like Kevin Thompson, Christian Dailly, Steven Whittaker and there was even talk at some point about Charlie Adam.
All useless.
Add to that Lee McCulloch in midfield anyway.
Once fit, he should bring in people like Naysmith, Burke, Riordan and just attack all the time with other people like Maloney, McFadden, Miller, Boyd
The defenders are OK, but let's see all out attack and get away from defensive tactics all the time.
Agree?
What on the basis of their scorching club form ??
Dunning1874
Aug 10 2008, 14:16
Dailly, Murty, Gary Naysmith, Teale and Adam are the ones who really have to be kept away at all costs, none of them are anywhere near good enough.
Barry Ferguson's not far away from this if he picks up many more mysterious injuries then makes a full recovery to play for Rangers a few days after dropping out of the squad.
Michael W
Aug 10 2008, 14:37
QUOTE (Dunning1874 @ Aug 10 2008, 15:16)

Dailly, Murty, Gary Naysmith, Teale and Adam are the ones who really have to be kept away at all costs, none of them are anywhere near good enough.
Barry Ferguson's not far away from this if he picks up many more mysterious injuries then makes a full recovery to play for Rangers a few days after dropping out of the squad.
I'd agree, but who else do we have?
craigkillie
Aug 10 2008, 15:20
Burley should NEVER pick Carlos Cuellar for Scotland.
gav-ffc
Aug 10 2008, 15:29
Daily, McCulloch, Teale, Adam.
Player that should be picked- Barr.
QUOTE (HAMPDEN SWIRL @ Aug 10 2008, 13:13)

Kevin Thompson, Steven Whittaker
All useless.
Bit harsh, I'd have those two in squads.
Gary Teale is the only player who I do not like to see. Murty also not an international quality player, decent enough for Reading though.
calum_gers
Aug 10 2008, 17:00
I opened this thread with optimism....
Kevin Thomson...pish
Burke...good?
I want some of what your smoking!
Raving On
Aug 10 2008, 18:05
Me. I'd be delighted with a call-up though.
Dunning1874
Aug 11 2008, 00:03
QUOTE (Michael W @ Aug 10 2008, 15:37)

I'd agree, but who else do we have?
Not that he's any good himself, but I'd have McEveley before Naysmith.
In fact, I'd gamble on Whittaker at left back before picking Naysmith.
Diamonds are Forever
Aug 11 2008, 00:09
Russell Anderson, Derek Riordan, Chris Burke and Shaun Maloney. Any Scotland manager who picks any of them in their squad needs to be seriously questioned.
Mr. Brightside
Aug 11 2008, 00:10
QUOTE (Michael W @ Aug 10 2008, 15:37)

I'd agree, but who else do we have?
Stevie Hammell
Diamonds are Forever
Aug 11 2008, 00:13
QUOTE (Mr. Brightside @ Aug 11 2008, 01:10)

Stevie Hammell
Says it all I think
Mr. Brightside
Aug 11 2008, 00:14
QUOTE (Diamonds are Forever @ Aug 11 2008, 01:13)

Says it all I think

Stevie Smith, if he ever because fit and plays regularly again
Gin and Juice
Aug 11 2008, 11:58
Kirk Broadfoot. Ive always says if he gets a call up im jacking it in. Add to that Adam
Makoliunas
Aug 11 2008, 12:46
QUOTE (HAMPDEN SWIRL @ Aug 10 2008, 13:13)

...let's see all out attack...
That'd be hilarious.
Michael W
Aug 11 2008, 12:58
QUOTE (Gin and Juice @ Aug 11 2008, 12:58)

Kirk Broadfoot. Ive always says if he gets a call up im jacking it in. Add to that Adam
I'd possibly have Gary Teale back in the squad before him.
Michael W
Aug 11 2008, 12:59
QUOTE (Dunning1874 @ Aug 11 2008, 01:03)

Not that he's any good himself, but I'd have McEveley before Naysmith.
In fact, I'd gamble on Whittaker at left back before picking Naysmith.
Worth a shot I suppose. Mark Wilson even?
PTFC27
Aug 12 2008, 11:19
Teale, Adam, Dailly, Riordan, Anderson and Murty.
gav-ffc
Aug 12 2008, 12:19
QUOTE (gav-ffc @ Aug 10 2008, 16:29)

Player that should be picked- Barr.
BadgersNadgers
Aug 12 2008, 13:16
QUOTE (Diamonds are Forever @ Aug 11 2008, 01:09)

Russell Anderson, Derek Riordan, Chris Burke and Shaun Maloney. Any Scotland manager who picks any of them in their squad needs to be seriously questioned.
I've got no problem with Shaun Maloney. He's never really done the business for Scotland but he is a hard-working midfield player, which Scotland always need, and he's creative going forward and with a decent free kick!
What about Gary O'Connor? He's scored a few goals granted, but never looks like he actually wants to be there when he's playing for Scotland.
Diamonds are Forever
Aug 12 2008, 15:48
QUOTE (BadgersNadgers @ Aug 12 2008, 14:16)

I've got no problem with Shaun Maloney. He's never really done the business for Scotland but he is a hard-working midfield player, which Scotland always need, and he's creative going forward and with a decent free kick!
What about Gary O'Connor? He's scored a few goals granted, but never looks like he actually wants to be there when he's playing for Scotland.
Hard-working? Probably is, but then so am I

He's not creative at all, he's meant to be but he's hopeless.
kris_FFC
Aug 12 2008, 16:15
I'll hunt Burley down and punch him in the face if he ever picks Charlie fucking Adam to play for Scotland.
BadgersNadgers
Aug 12 2008, 20:21
Colin Cameron, Stevie Crawford, Paul Devlin...

.. I've been looking over some old programmes.
Diamonds are Forever
Aug 12 2008, 22:28
QUOTE (BadgersNadgers @ Aug 12 2008, 21:21)

Colin Cameron, Stevie Crawford, Paul Devlin...

.. I've been looking over some old programmes.
A Scotland team with those 3 in it, plus Rab Douglas and Andy Webster, managed to draw with Germany

They must have been stinking at the time! Tbh the more I look at it the more it seems to me that Berti worked miracles with the players he had!
QUOTE (Diamonds are Forever @ Aug 11 2008, 01:09)

Russell Anderson, Derek Riordan, Chris Burke and Shaun Maloney. Any Scotland manager who picks any of them in their squad needs to be seriously questioned.
QUOTE (PTFC27 @ Aug 12 2008, 12:19)

Teale, Adam, Dailly, Riordan, Anderson and Murty.
Don't be so stupid.
Anderson by the most under rated defender ever in Scottish football history
Why is he a bad defender?
Because he played for Aberdeen? That is the type of central belt, ignorant, pish that cause good players not to get capped! You people are stupid and know nothing about football. Remember his performance against Norway! He had Carew in his back pocket.
David Weir should never had pulled on the Scotland top ever! Same with Steven Pressley.
chris123
Aug 12 2008, 23:43
QUOTE (uni @ Aug 12 2008, 23:42)

Don't be so stupid.
Anderson by the most under rated defender ever in Scottish football history
Why is he a bad defender?
Because he played for Aberdeen? That is the type of central belt, ignorant, pish that cause good players not to get capped! You people are stupid and know nothing about football. Remember his performance against Norway! He had Carew in his back pocket.
David Weir should never had pulled on the Scotland top ever! Same with Steven Pressley.
Not the most eloquant of posts, but I agree, Anderson is superior to both Caldwell and Weir in central defence (partly because Caldwell is far more effective as a defensive midfielder).
Thomson outshone Backpass against Sporting, in terms of creativity, he is one of the best we've got. However, seems to be one of those players that thinks because they play for one of the old firm they don't need to try against the diddy teams.
Gallacticos
Aug 12 2008, 23:47
Scotland's central midfield trio should be Brown, Hartley and Robson. Maybe I'm biased, but maybe I'm also right, and all three of them are clearly more talented than Ferguson, Thomson and McCulloch, not to mention are experienced of playing together at club level. With Robson and Hartley in particular, they proved to be a hugely effective midfield pairing, and have bags of experience together.
Oh, there's also Fletcher. He would probably get a start in the centre with Brown out wide, but still well before Backpass, Thomson or McCludger
Diamonds are Forever
Aug 13 2008, 02:04
QUOTE (uni @ Aug 12 2008, 23:42)

Don't be so stupid.
Anderson by the most under rated defender ever in Scottish football history
Why is he a bad defender?
Because he played for Aberdeen? That is the type of central belt, ignorant, pish that cause good players not to get capped! You people are stupid and know nothing about football. Remember his performance against Norway! He had Carew in his back pocket.
David Weir should never had pulled on the Scotland top ever! Same with Steven Pressley.
Calm yourself
Under-rated?? What has he ever achieved at club level to suggest this?
There's a reason he played for Aberdeen for most of his career. He's a steady SPL standard defender, no better than that. Roy Keane takes a chance on him, he gets about 45 minutes for Sunderland and manages to make a complete arse of himself in that time. We've had to put up with Dons moaning for years about how he should be playing for Scotland. Surely the fact that Brown, Vogts, Smith, McLeish and now Burley don't think he's good enough is enough to show you that he isn't good enough? Or the fact that no big team would take a chance on him until Sunderland, who soon regretted it?
I'm not a fan of Pressley either tbh, I won't disagree there. But David Weir played at a high level in the Premiership for years, what has Anderson done that has bettered that?
QUOTE (Diamonds are Forever @ Aug 13 2008, 03:04)

Calm yourself
Under-rated?? What has he ever achieved at club level to suggest this?
There's a reason he played for Aberdeen for most of his career. He's a steady SPL standard defender, no better than that. Roy Keane takes a chance on him, he gets about 45 minutes for Sunderland and manages to make a complete arse of himself in that time. We've had to put up with Dons moaning for years about how he should be playing for Scotland. Surely the fact that Brown, Vogts, Smith, McLeish and now Burley don't think he's good enough is enough to show you that he isn't good enough? Or the fact that no big team would take a chance on him until Sunderland, who soon regretted it?
I'm not a fan of Pressley either tbh, I won't disagree there. But David Weir played at a high level in the Premiership for years, what has Anderson done that has bettered that?
Sorry but watched him about 8 of his 10 years at pittodrie! I think I would know more about him.
He was named man of the match on the radio the most for 2 seasons running!
He is good bit better than Weir and Pressley.
The defence should include him and mcmanus in centre back.
Anderson suffered from the fact the Scotland managers pick players because the play fot the old firm.
saintslad
Aug 13 2008, 11:32
How come nobody has mentioned Callum Davidson? Why the hell has he been picked?
Shocker IMO!
Diamonds are Forever
Aug 13 2008, 14:10
QUOTE (uni @ Aug 13 2008, 12:20)

Sorry but watched him about 8 of his 10 years at pittodrie! I think I would know more about him.
He was named man of the match on the radio the most for 2 seasons running!
He is good bit better than Weir and Pressley.
The defence should include him and mcmanus in centre back.
Anderson suffered from the fact the Scotland managers pick players because the play fot the old firm.
It's nothing to do with that. They pick players who play for big teams because that generally means they are good players. If you play for Aberdeen for 10 years then you obviously have something missing otherwise a big club would have come in for you. That's not a dig at Aberdeen, that's just what happens in football. And like I said, when someone did take a chance on him, he was a catastrophic failure.
The fact that 5 Scotland managers don't think he's good enough is enough for me. McLeish didn't play him, are you saying he is biased against Aberdeen?
glasnost
Aug 13 2008, 14:25
Should Burley pick Englishmen born and bred who’s only qualifcation to play for Scotland is through their grandparents?
Colin M
Aug 13 2008, 14:38
QUOTE (glasnost @ Aug 13 2008, 15:25)

Should Burley pick Englishmen born and bred who’s only qualifcation to play for Scotland is through their grandparents?
Yeah, if they're good enough and want to play for Scotland.
glasnost
Aug 13 2008, 14:40
QUOTE (Colin M @ Aug 13 2008, 15:38)

Yeah, if they're good enough and want to play for Scotland.
I wonder how those that have a problem with ‘traitors’ will take to him.
QUOTE (Diamonds are Forever @ Aug 13 2008, 15:10)

And like I said, when someone did take a chance on him, he was a catastrophic failure.
Indeed. When you cant oust Paul McShane from a side, international football should the furthest thing from your mind.
Colin M
Aug 13 2008, 14:42
QUOTE (glasnost @ Aug 13 2008, 15:40)

I wonder how those that have a problem with ‘traitors’ will take to him.
Usually works out that if he's good they'll forget about it, but if the team plays crap they'll blame him and start to bleat about how we should fill the team with REAL SCOTSMEN.
Black and Gold
Aug 13 2008, 14:45
QUOTE (glasnost @ Aug 13 2008, 15:25)

Should Burley pick Englishmen born and bred who's only qualifcation to play for Scotland is through their grandparents?
No

. He should only pick players that are born in scotland or at the very least have been bred in scotland and consider themselves scottish (i.e steven fletcher who, if i'm right was born in england).
Commons will only play for Scotland as he sees it as a chance to play at international level and i am sure to him scotland are a poor second to england. An absolute disgrace that shaun maloney has been overlooked for him.
gav-ffc
Aug 13 2008, 15:30
Broadfoot.
dougalldogg
Aug 13 2008, 15:50
Would have Thompson in the Scotland squad anyday, fair enough he might not be in my first choice Midfield given a full squad but id definately have him in there
twisteH
Aug 13 2008, 16:48
Weir and Dailly. Both past it, and unbelievably slow.
William S
Aug 13 2008, 16:58
QUOTE (uni @ Aug 12 2008, 23:42)

Don't be so stupid.
Anderson by the most under rated defender ever in Scottish football history
Why is he a bad defender?
Because he played for Aberdeen? That is the type of central belt, ignorant, pish that cause good players not to get capped! You people are stupid and know nothing about football. Remember his performance against Norway! He had Carew in his back pocket.
David Weir should never had pulled on the Scotland top ever! Same with Steven Pressley.
There will be a good reason why so many managers didn't pick Anderson
QUOTE (glasnost @ Aug 13 2008, 15:25)

Should Burley pick Englishmen born and bred who's only qualifcation to play for Scotland is through their grandparents?
Why do you keep going on about this?
QUOTE (Black and Gold @ Aug 13 2008, 15:45)

No

. He should only pick players that are born in scotland or at the very least have been bred in scotland and consider themselves scottish (i.e steven fletcher who, if i'm right was born in england).
Commons will only play for Scotland as he sees it as a chance to play at international level and i am sure to him scotland are a poor second to england. An absolute disgrace that shaun maloney has been overlooked for him.

Maloney was born in Malaysia.
We should pick people who are good enough, where they are born is irrelevant in my opinion.
Whether or not they are abused for choosing another country is a totally different matter.
MC Pee Pants
Aug 13 2008, 18:24
QUOTE (glasnost @ Aug 13 2008, 15:25)

Should Burley pick Englishmen born and bred who's only qualifcation to play for Scotland is through their grandparents?
no
MC Pee Pants
Aug 13 2008, 18:27
he should also not pick any rangers players who repeatedly pull out of the squad with made up injuries.
Black and Gold
Aug 13 2008, 21:34
QUOTE (William S @ Aug 13 2008, 17:58)

Maloney was born in Malaysia.
We should pick people who are good enough, where they are born is irrelevant in my opinion.
Whether or not they are abused for choosing another country is a totally different matter.
maloney falls into the category that fletcher was in.
how can where they are born be irrelevant???

This is playin for a country no a club. We have had success lately because what we have lacked in talent we have made up for in fight and determination due to having a good bunch of scottish lads who are willing to fight for their country.
William S
Aug 13 2008, 21:40
QUOTE (Black and Gold @ Aug 13 2008, 22:34)

maloney falls into the category that fletcher was in.
how can where they are born be irrelevant???

This is playin for a country no a club. We have had success lately because what we have lacked in talent we have made up for in fight and determination due to having a good bunch of scottish lads who are willing to fight for their country.
Fletcher, Maloney, Goram, Hutchison, McEveley all foriegn born, 3 of them were part of that sqaud who provided the fight and determination.
If they have the desire and the ability, what country they were born in is irrelevant. If they consider themselves Scottish then that's enough.
QUOTE (Diamonds are Forever @ Aug 13 2008, 15:10)

It's nothing to do with that. They pick players who play for big teams because that generally means they are good players. If you play for Aberdeen for 10 years then you obviously have something missing otherwise a big club would have come in for you. That's not a dig at Aberdeen, that's just what happens in football. And like I said, when someone did take a chance on him, he was a catastrophic failure.
The fact that 5 Scotland managers don't think he's good enough is enough for me. McLeish didn't play him, are you saying he is biased against Aberdeen?
When did his catastrophic failure happen? He was subbed in once for Sunderland! He wasn't given a chance!
He then was shipped off the Plymouth argyle where he put in a good shift. good enough to be called back by Mr Keane from his loan. That fact is that you know nothing about SPL football because you will never watch it if you keep supporting Airdrie

(Yeah I don't care if that is a cheap dig) 10 years at Aberdeen shows loyalty.He could have easily left to a bigger club than Sunderland if he mover 2 years before he did!
Anderson is a good enough defender to be picked by Scotland over that pish Caldwell, Daily, Weir and Darren Barr
QUOTE (uni @ Aug 13 2008, 22:57)

When did his catastrophic failure happen? He was subbed in once for Sunderland! He wasn't given a chance!
He then was shipped off the Plymouth argyle where he put in a good shift. good enough to be called back by Mr Keane from his loan. That fact is that you know nothing about SPL football because you will never watch it if you keep supporting Airdrie

(Yeah I don't care if that is a cheap dig) 10 years at Aberdeen shows loyalty.He could have easily left to a bigger club than Sunderland if he mover 2 years before he did!
Anderson is a good enough defender to be picked by Scotland over that pish Caldwell, Daily, Weir and Darren Barr
are you shagging russell anderson?
Dunning1874
Aug 13 2008, 23:50
QUOTE (uni @ Aug 13 2008, 22:57)

When did his catastrophic failure happen? He was subbed in once for Sunderland! He wasn't given a chance!
He then was shipped off the Plymouth argyle where he put in a good shift. good enough to be called back by Mr Keane from his loan. That fact is that you know nothing about SPL football because you will never watch it if you keep supporting Airdrie

(Yeah I don't care if that is a cheap dig) 10 years at Aberdeen shows loyalty.He could have easily left to a bigger club than Sunderland if he mover 2 years before he did!
Anderson is a good enough defender to be picked by Scotland over that pish Caldwell, Daily, Weir and Darren Barr
Anderson was a good player at Aberdeen and was deserving of a place in the squad, but he's not playing first team football, and I think it's clear that under Burley, with the exception of Darren Fletcher as he's too talented to leave out, players who aren't getting a game at club level won't get in the squad.
And anyway, Caldwell was in good form for his club towards the end of last season, and had a great game for Scotland against Croatia, and Darren Barr's a better player than Russell Anderson.
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