As I am Scottish I want Rangers to go through.

As I am a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I want Kaunas to go through.

As I am a Human I want Kaunas to go through

Kaunas, but I'm in no way neutral.

Being a citizen of Aberdeenshire I want Kaunas to go through.

I want Rangers to go through and do well in the Competition, Celtic likewise.

That is my way of thinking as well
But if the huns lose I won't be too broken up about it

Rangers, but only after losing at Ibrox and all the 'bears' going mental on the phone ins for a week.

I wouldn’t imagine there are many neutrals on this forum.

I want both of the Old Firm to lose in Europe at the earliest stage possible.

I also want Celtic to do well in Europe as I do Rangers

Want Rangers and all Scottish clubs to do well in Europe.

I don't care.

This. ^^^^

Kaunus, because Rangers games on the telly last season bored me to tears.

I always want ALL Scottish teams to win when playing in Europe.
I hope the whole of Scotland is right behind Queens when we make our Euro debut on 14th August.

I also don't care.

I support the OF and all Scottish clubs in European competition.

Wouldn't you rather your club was in Europe (via a better co-efficient) rather than sneering about other teams getting put out?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

0-0 FT!!

HUMILATION FOR THE HUNS!!!

YES!!!

GET IN!!!

In order to remain neutral I have to say I couldn't give a shit.

I back ALL Scottish teams in Europe.

so not rangers then

Why arent Rangers Scottish?

Rangers: McGregor, Dailly, Broadfoot, Weir, Papac, Whittaker, McCulloch, Thomson, Adam, Darcheville, Miller. Subs: Alexander, Hemdani, Boyd, Novo, Webster, Lafferty, Velicka.

9 of the starting 11 were Scottish
3 of the 7 subs were Scottish
They play in Scotland
They are owned by a Scottish person
They are managed by a Scot
They play in the Scottish League

So in what way are they not Scottish?

Any ideas why this game was not on the tele?

Judging by the score and match report, it looks like they are trying to beat their record of playing 87 european ties last season.

1-1 in Kaunas in the return leg.

Agreed.

We get more cash if they are out so out I would prefer them although I still think they'll get by the Lithuanians

Having visited Manchester once, Kaunas.

So do I but to me the old firm aren't Scottish so I hope they both get pumped.

Good luck to Queens in UEFA Cup, hope to see yous in the quarters



Do they sound Scottish though?
The majority of their fans certainly don't act as if they want to be Scottish even though they are.
I don't consider them Scottish anyway so no to me they're not Scottish

Get over yourself. I don't care about the coefficient. Do you always break out the calculator to decide who you want to win?

To increase the crowd.

And it really worked...they had less there than against Red Star, which was shown on Telly.

I want Rangers to get beat as Celtic will get the full champions league bounty for Scottish clubs & Rangers cant use europe as an excuse when we win 4 in a row.

I find the number of non OF fans backing Rangers truly staggering. It's utterly against all our interests for either or both to bag the kind of money they do from reaching the group stages. This is what wrecks Scottish football and is going a long way to doing the same in England with their big four.
Elimination for the OF is of far greater immediate benefit to other Scottish clubs - especially SPL ones - than the vague damage to the precious co-efficient.
It's the duty of all of us to wish nothing but ill on their campaigns.
The arguments are so obvious and yet we get this rubbish about backing them because they're Scottish.
When they progress, it benefits them hugely, which means that the net effect on everyone else is profoundly negative.
It's all terribly straightforward.

I've watched my team at Ibrox where I've been called a fenian bas*ard.
I've watched my team at Celtic Park where I've been called an orange bas*ard.
Biased refs,blanket media coverage,paranoia and bigotry seeping into all aspects of everyday life in the west of Scotland.

Sorry, think I missed something,remind me again why I shoulld support the OF in Europe.

'Mon the Queens and the 'Well!!

What about Dumbarton?

Like Hearts, Dumbarton didn't qualify for Europe this season unfortunately

Cheers Lance and I totally agree.

Yeah, I thought he meant something totally different there.

I hope that Rangers, Thelick, Motherwell and Queen of the South all get molested in Europe next season. I wish nothing but failure on every Scottish team that isn't Heart of Midlothian FC.

How nice.
Jealousy isn't a word I like to throw about, but sometimes it's the only word to use.
Better luck this season so we call all wish molestation upon Heart of Lithuania

I want Scottish teams to go as afr as possible in Europe. I don't have much reason to watch anything exept the finals otherwise.

The more sensible posters on this thread have hit the nail on the head. The narrow minded posters are part of the problem in holding our game back with their attitude. They would do better to remember, Scottish clubs doing well in Europe helps the game in this country at all levels.

Well said Bezzer and the other posters with the same sentiments.

You'll advise me on how Haddington Athletic have benefited over the past few years then

Success in Europe increases the profile of the game in this country and out with the country. More investment is funnelled down to grass roots. You have a development set up at Haddington I presume?
Higher profile of any sport can encourage kids to play the sport. In this case football. Not many kids playing around your local area streets the way they were years ago I'm sure. Less kids playing means less chance of picking up local talent.

Less local talent means less interest from parents and families.

I don't know if you still have the thing with Hearts going anymore but if you did, a successful Hearts in Europe means more cash to spend, maybe more development of young Hearts trainees etc and maybe more investment in farming out young trainees to local junior teams like Haddington to help those young players develop. Structures can change when clubs are living on more cash injection and a feel good factor.
Like I say, I don't know if you still have that relationship with Hearts or a senior team in the East of Scotland but who is to say it would never happen again if you don't have it already!

I could think of other possible benefits but here is one a lot of people don't realise.

The economy of your town in the licensed trade is increased when live football is shown inhouse. You might not realise this but even with less pints sold in pubs nowadays according to statistics, one thing publicans showing live football love is big European nights. They make plenty of dosh, especially if its high profile games involving home based clubs. The more games on the pub tv with home based interest the more money through the pubs tills. The more money in the local business pocket, the more likely you'll sell him that sponsorship amount you need for Haddington Athletics needs or progression. You might not think it because it isn't obvious but I'm sure you'll know raising cash to fund clubs like Haddington is critical and the better the sales pitch to the local businessman the more cash he'll spend with you.

Yeh....plenty of big Euro nights for Scottish football can be cashed in on if you find the ways to take advantage!

The game wasn't on the telly because Murray wants to fleece the fans further and get them to the game, otherwise the gate would be badly affected by any telly coverage.

As if fleecing the punters £20 for this pish and another £20 for a meaningless game against Liverpool isn't bad enough. At least it helped them buy Bougherra

Incidentally, I want all Scottish teams to do well in Europe and I think Queens could beat the Danish mob they were drawn against

I'll answer this one quickly now and return to the other points later.

The biggest draws for televised footy in Haddington are, IMO, the Edinburgh and OF derbies - in that order. I wasn't out for the UEFA cup final, but by all accounts the pubs were busy but not stowed out. A good chunk of people obviously stayed in, like me, and watched it on the telly. A fair number were at the game spending their money in Manchester (and in Seville before that, as it happens). In smaller places like Haddington, there are not too many other people who will fill the places of the absent in the boozers. The landlord will not have been counting the shekels and wondering how to spread his largesse.

I support every British team in Europe.

That includes Rangers.

I salute you sir.
It can't be easy to cram quite so much pish into a single post.

Remind yourself never to get involved in trying to raise sponsorship for an amateur or junior club or take up a sales position or tell yourself your a fair minded Scot! Maybe looking at your half pint lying in your pint glass allows you the old `my glass is half empty` routine and you should go and pour another to make yourself feel better!

Of course if you can counteract by telling me Scottish football does not benefit from all our teams in Euro competition succeeding then I will indeed remove my post and apologise!

However, I might be waiting a while for a reasonable response I reckon!

Jealousy isn't a word I like to throw about, but sometimes it's the only word to use.

Thoroughly mystefied by the first bit, but I'm sure it's dead clever really.

Scottish football does not benefit by the OF doing well in Europe because it makes our game even more grossly imbalanced. The resources are very unevenly distributed, as consequently are the prizes. This makes the game less interesting and is therefore of no benefit.

Sorry for the delay - I've been at a match.

I never said OF. I said all Scottish clubs. I've said on here before that the wealth should be distributed evenly and gate receipts shared evenly.

I welcome a more competitive edge across all Scottish leagues.

Btw, the first part wasn't really clever at all - it was sarcasm! Oh and I'm sorry I wasn't at a football match today like yourself. I was looking after the kids! The responsibilities of fatherhood eh...How dare I even contemplate it!

I did manage however to keep an eye on the live footy as well through this great thing called the internet. Second best I know but then again I've probably been to more games than I can remember so who gives a f**k!

Sarcasm can be extremely clever - I've never gone for this lowest form of wit idea. It's just that your example doesn't work too well.

Anyway, if you share my belief that wealth should be distributed more evenly in the game, surely you'll recognise the damage the Champions' League is doing to domestic competitions. It's therefore not a huge step to wishing ill on our participants who are virtually always the OF.

On the subject of fatherhood, I subjected my eldest to her first ever game yesterday. Already, the poor thing's asking if she has to go next time.