Radford 72
Aug 9 2004, 09:07
Serious question, would appreciate a serious answer!
How well do fans of Rangers and Celtic (or Celtic and Rangers if you prefer) think their current teams would do if the EPL invited them to join the league starting this Saturday?
What teams do you think you are comparable with?
palace and west brom
BerwickMad
Aug 9 2004, 11:34
Celtic - Manchester City
Rangers - Bolton
Hearts - Rotherham
Since when were hearts part of the Old Firm?
BerwickMad
Aug 9 2004, 14:05
There about the only other team who could compete in the top two leagues. If all three went to the English league then i think all would eventually be sucessfull, but at the moment, no. Hearts are a club in a big city and English football would be the spark that the people of Edinburgh need to get off their arses.
Bhoys67
Aug 9 2004, 14:20
| QUOTE (Radford 72 @ Aug 9 2004, 06:07 AM) |
Serious question, would appreciate a serious answer!
How well do fans of Rangers and Celtic (or Celtic and Rangers if you prefer) think their current teams would do if the EPL invited them to join the league starting this Saturday?
What teams do you think you are comparable with? |
The Old Firm would done fine with their current squad's if they were invited to
join the Premiership. Celtic would be comparable to Newcastle United and Rangers,
Birmingham city. While i don't think either side would win the premiership on current squads, Celtic could place top 10-12, Rangers 18-20.
Scottish style of football probably wouldn't do to well. Both OF temas are about Sunderland level.
Bhoys67
Aug 9 2004, 17:00
| QUOTE (raith_no1 @ Aug 9 2004, 01:16 PM) |
| Scottish style of football probably wouldn't do to well. Both OF temas are about Sunderland level. |
if they ever get in the Premiership, which will happen sooner then later, both
teams will have to change the style of play that works in Scotland. But being
in the premiership they would have access to more tv money then they could ever hope of getting from scottish Tv therefore would be able to buy better quality players.
BerwickMad
Aug 9 2004, 17:13
Sorry, but the Old Firm in the Premiership is never going to happen. Why would first division clubs just let the old firm bypass 110 years of history? The Premiership does fine without them
I think they would be better in the premiership. It would cut down on the bigotry, sectarionism and would most importantly, rid us of them. I think the OF should leave, as they make the SPL boring. I think Hearts could also compete in it, if they were in their best form, as could Hibs. But I think only the OF should go. okay, the Hearts/Hibs thing could become the new OF, but for now, only Rangers and Celtic should leave.
EDIT:
cant we get rid of Partick aswell?
Bhoys67
Aug 10 2004, 03:09
| QUOTE (BerwickMad @ Aug 9 2004, 02:13 PM) |
| Sorry, but the Old Firm in the Premiership is never going to happen. Why would first division clubs just let the old firm bypass 110 years of history? The Premiership does fine without them |
I would have no problem with celtic having to play in the Football league
Championship league and having to earn their place in the Premiership,no
club has an automatic right to join any league, but since the english league
already has Welsh sides why not scotland's big two. Hearts forget it.
Put them in the conference, honestly.
Then they can work their way upto a level they are suitable for. Putting them straight into the Premiership or the Championship just screws teams from the leagues below.
arab_joe
Aug 16 2004, 13:46
| QUOTE (Bhoys67 @ Aug 9 2004, 03:20 PM) |
| Celtic could place top 10-12 |
guess thats about right, but just not sure. hartson was nothin specail in the premiership, while alan thompson and chris sutton were decidedly disappointing with villa and chelsea respectively. neil lennon was always at the wrong of the table to see much of him, but he hardly sets the spl alight, never mind the premiership. camara was good in 5 out of 40 games so whoi knows about him?
LordHawHaw
Aug 16 2004, 13:55
I think everybody is missing the point here

IF Celtic was to be invited into the EPL then we would get our hands on all that lovely TV money

As it is I think only 5/6 EPL teams have a higher turnover than Celtic, EPL TV money would put Celtic in the top 5 teams in the country easily, we have the best stadium and atmosphere so the best players ould end up here. Celtic in the EPL would be a huge club in world terms IMO.
HOWEVER....we are Scottish whether you lot like it or not, we need to make the SPL work, and that is a fecking hard job
Gordon EF
Aug 16 2004, 14:09
| QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Aug 16 2004, 02:55 PM) |
As it is I think only 5/6 EPL teams have a higher turnover than Celtic, EPL TV money would put Celtic in the top 5 teams in the country easily, |
Read that again.
| QUOTE (Bhoys67 @ Aug 10 2004, 04:09 AM) |
I would have no problem with celtic having to play in the Football league Championship league and having to earn their place in the Premiership,no club has an automatic right to join any league, but since the english league already has Welsh sides why not scotland's big two. Hearts forget it. |
The Welsh sides have been in the divisions for a long long time. When they were included, it wasn't a case of them jumping ship out of a Welsh league because they had 'outgrown' it. It was merely a case of the league expanding and Cardiff (and others) being in the right place at the right time to apply to join. The same may well have applied to Scottish teams had there not been such opposition to professionalism in the 1880's and 1890's. Queen's Park, Renton and many others did play in the FA Cup and I'm sure that Queens Park would have been asked to join the Football League, when it was set up in 1888, had their principles allowed.
LordHawHaw
Aug 16 2004, 20:31
| QUOTE (Gordon EF @ Aug 16 2004, 03:09 PM) |
Read that again. |
I have......and
Bhoys67
Aug 16 2004, 23:11
| QUOTE (arab_joe @ Aug 16 2004, 10:46 AM) |
| guess thats about right, but just not sure. hartson was nothin specail in the premiership, while alan thompson and chris sutton were decidedly disappointing with villa and chelsea respectively. neil lennon was always at the wrong of the table to see much of him, but he hardly sets the spl alight, never mind the premiership. camara was good in 5 out of 40 games so whoi knows about him? |
But they play good together at Celtic, and that all the matter, what happen to them in England in the past doesn't, i doubt if they played on real quailty
teams down there. Villa have always been mediocre and Chelsea back then
are not the power they are now.
Gordon EF
Aug 16 2004, 23:41
| QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Aug 16 2004, 09:31 PM) |
I have......and |
My mistake, I thought you meant that 5 or 6 teams in England would have higher turnovers than Celtic if they were in the Premiership. I see you mean that only 5 or 6 have a higher turnover as things stand at the moment.
LordHawHaw
Aug 17 2004, 21:51
| QUOTE (Gordon EF @ Aug 17 2004, 12:41 AM) |
| My mistake, I thought you meant that 5 or 6 teams in England would have higher turnovers than Celtic if they were in the Premiership. I see you mean that only 5 or 6 have a higher turnover as things stand at the moment. |
Both us and the current buns would be massive in a British league

we'd be massiver of course
TV money is where we lose out.
Aw didumms will the big tv companies no give you enough money.Porto got millions for playing in the hotbed that is Potugese fitba.
Maybe it's time to ditch fater wilfred,he should have had the foresight 130 years ago to set you up in a bigger country with a bigger league where you'd get all the tv money you think you somehow deserve.
Do us a favour and either fuk off down to england NOW or shut up and get on with it.
LordHawHaw
Aug 18 2004, 17:50
| QUOTE (deky @ Aug 18 2004, 12:53 PM) |
Aw didumms will the big tv companies no give you enough money.Porto got millions for playing in the hotbed that is Potugese fitba. Maybe it's time to ditch fater wilfred,he should have had the foresight 130 years ago to set you up in a bigger country with a bigger league where you'd get all the tv money you think you somehow deserve. Do us a favour and either fuk off down to england NOW or shut up and get on with it. |
SURPRISE
I'm not going to disagree with you, however we canny shut up, we need to discuss how we can get Scottish football back on it's feet !
Ps I also accept that Celtic need to allow the other SPL teams to get a bigger share of the pie. However the SPL IS all the clubs, the OF only add up to 2. Don't moan about the big bhoys, get together and gies a doing, strength in numbers
Get Fergus in charge of the SPL he'd sort it
That wasn't directed at you particularly LHH.You are the only celt on here that talks any sense.
However for all you think Scottish fitba should improve WITH the old firm I think it's been too long now and the only way for the old firm and SPL to survive and thrive is to seperate.I liked your idea about strenght in numbers,I think all other non-OF clubs should do what they threatened to do and kick the old firm out before they leave.
This isn't meant to wind anyone up and it's not just another chance to have another go at the old firm.
I honestly believe that:s the best way forward for Scottish fitba and the old firm.
Bhoys67
Aug 19 2004, 17:57
| QUOTE (deky @ Aug 19 2004, 09:31 AM) |
That wasn't directed at you particularly LHH.You are the only celt on here that talks any sense. However for all you think Scottish fitba should improve WITH the old firm I think it's been too long now and the only way for the old firm and SPL to survive and thrive is to seperate.I liked your idea about strenght in numbers,I think all other non-OF clubs should do what they threatened to do and kick the old firm out before they leave. This isn't meant to wind anyone up and it's not just another chance to have another go at the old firm. I honestly believe that:s the best way forward for Scottish fitba and the old firm. |
We'd be willing to go in a shot deky, but even if the English premiership or
the Championhip league (if the old firm had to go that route to get into the
premiership) gave there blessing ,Uefa would turn them down and Im sure
FiFA would get into the act also. So were stuck with each other, which should
make you happy, cause if the old firm went Motherwell would be relegated,
can't see you finishing ahead of Aberdeen & ICT
I'm sure if we tried hard enough we could get relegated with the old firm still here.
Wait a minute I get it now.The Well usually give the old firm a bit of a spanking so we'd miss the points we'd pick up of you .
Sh1te your right please don't leave
Bhoys67
Aug 20 2004, 17:29
| QUOTE (deky @ Aug 20 2004, 08:49 AM) |
I'm sure if we tried hard enough we could get relegated with the old firm still here. Wait a minute I get it now.The Well usually give the old firm a bit of a spanking so we'd miss the points we'd pick up of you . Sh1te your right please don't leave |
mAYBE WITH A BIT OF LUCK CELTIC CAN MOVE TO ENGLAND AND WE WILL
LEAVE RANGERS IN SCOTLAND, SOUND LIKE A GOOD DEAL
| QUOTE (Bhoys67 @ Aug 20 2004, 06:29 PM) |
mAYBE WITH A BIT OF LUCK CELTIC CAN MOVE TO ENGLAND AND WE WILL LEAVE RANGERS IN SCOTLAND, SOUND LIKE A GOOD DEAL |
Your caps lock is down
| QUOTE (Bhoys67 @ Aug 20 2004, 06:29 PM) |
mAYBE WITH A BIT OF LUCK CELTIC CAN MOVE TO ENGLAND AND WE WILL LEAVE RANGERS IN SCOTLAND, SOUND LIKE A GOOD DEAL |
You're still missing the point. What benefit would the English Premiership get from having either or both of the OF join?
LordHawHaw
Aug 20 2004, 20:32
| QUOTE (SeD @ Aug 20 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| You're still missing the point. What benefit would the English Premiership get from having either or both of the OF join? |
Greater competition

Arsenal/MU/Chelsea.....and the OF, maybe the scousers
Tommy Wilson's Paperboy
Aug 20 2004, 21:50
For most Old Firm fan's it's all about winning.
Just listen to the open line on Clyde 2 if they can't beat Hearts, Aberdeen etc. It's a crisis if they don't win all the time.
Would the interest still be there if they were competing about the level of Everton or Blackburn?
The big comparison seems to be that teams such as Everton get about 10 million or so more to spend from TV deals but no one (journalist/pundits/fans) seem to mention that these teams are in the shit financially.
Just because you get 50-60 thousand every home game (not to mention every dubious decision from referees) doesn't give you the right to be challenging in the English league.
Old Firm - i fuckin' hate them!! That said if they did go down south then all the paper and TV coverage would still be about the Old Firm. Don't pretend it would be otherwise!!!!!
| QUOTE (LordHawHaw @ Aug 20 2004, 09:32 PM) |
Greater competition Arsenal/MU/Chelsea.....and the OF, maybe the scousers |
And how is 'greater competition' (if it was true) beneficial to the Premiership?

Edited to clarify:
...beneficial to the existing members of the Premiership
Send them down to england, get them oot our faces for a few years.
Gordon EF
Aug 21 2004, 05:14
Just let them go, I'm sick of them and their fans.
Apples
Aug 21 2004, 11:29
The old firm wouldn't make an immediate impact in the EPL despite Celtics recent European wins over their english opponents, I don't think they could do it regularly.
With the fan bases that they both have they could generate some ridiculous amounts of money and players who are succesful wouldn't leave to join a better league cos we'd already be in one (Van Bronckhorst, Laudrup, Regi Blinker etc).
LordHawHaw
Aug 22 2004, 07:52
| QUOTE (Gordon EF @ Aug 21 2004, 06:14 AM) |
| Just let them go, I'm sick of them and their fans. |
What about we leave, our fans are welcome everywhere

and you keep the evil empire?
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