Just thought I'd try and gauge some public opinion on this.

Would you like to be able to bet on Junior matches?

At present its minimum trebles - how does this change your thinking?

seems a bit daft in this day and age when you can bet on the amount of corners, bookings etc that you can't have a single on a Junior game.

Didnt do it every week, but sometimes had a wee flutter, but stopped doing it when it went to trebles only.......

Same.

If i were a bookmaker i would want nothing to do with betting on Junior Football.Singles only would be a no no ,with the exception of the Junior Cup.

Do not mind betting on the Juniors as a punter.

Why? Are you suggesting the game at this level is fundamentally corrupt? The volumes of money for specific matches are easily tracked. There is no more likelihood of a junior match being fixed than any other imo.

The minimum of trebles was a bad idea and must have reduced turnover.

There is match fixing going on in Italy, Albania, etc but you'll take a single on them.

If it's min trebles or nothing then obviously I would take that but surely we could make up the treble with seniors, horses, dugs, .........

Maybe a good idea to put this up on the "gambling forum" as well, to see what kind of response you get from there..........

I think that it is obscene that trebles are required for junior football while for so called "senior footbal" you can back a single. Your East Stirlings and Montroses of this world have a far inferior following than the likes of Auchinleck, Kilbirnie and Petershill; not to mention superior club infrastructure and governance.

Given this, do the bookies seriously think that the likes of these teams would colude in order to sting them?

I used to love betting on the Juniors, however as fewer and fewer of the big firms now offer odds. I think the only one now is Hills however when you go into their shops the poster that they go to the bother of printing on a weekly basis is either in an unopened envelope behind the counter or "oh, we've given it away to somebody" Then when you ask them to get the odds on the screen the usual retort is "Senga, how dae ye dae this again"? Its as if they don't want to take bets when it comes to the Juniors; I despair!

I doubt that betgting on Juniors would ever be mainstream.

the bookie would always be wary that they are missing a trick like the star sentre forward can not get the night of work and that alone would change the odds.

Not saying the game at that level is corrupt but to easy to obtain useful information that is not generally avauilable to the bookies.

I say its not corrupt but you can imagine a 18 year old goalie being offered £10k to make a few mistakes would be hard for some to refuse.

Absolutley spot on. They can not lay off unlike senior football.

There really is no argument here.

So how would that be any different from an 18 year old playing for a Third Division club?

A lot of kids grow up wanting to play league football. Once they have got their they would think there is no stopping them. There is a lot more scrutiny in senior football.

I tell you what, if you are pro betting on junior leage football do you not understand that Corals do not have the same level of information on these lower league teams...

The only way betting on junior football would start would be if all major bettin firms signed up. They would then follow each others prices and could lay off any exposure they might not want.

Haitch, not so long ago Juventus were relegated for match fixing so do we stop betting on Serie A?
Going by your pic your a fan of the clean sport of Snooker, Francisco brothers, Quinten Hann, Kirk Stevens........
Only thing I do agree with is get more bookies to lay prices, there is definately a market for it.

Of course not. If there was an opportunity for those involved to rig a Highland league match for the same money do you really think they wouldnt?



Do you want a medal? Your point is?



There is not a market for it.

Cheers for response guys.

I can see by some of your replies that some don't realise that Hills have been offering odds EVERY week for 4 years now. From January 08 it went minimum trebles.

I can also it say it had nothing to do with MATCH FIXING at all and that is 100%. I agree that the top sides are professionally run.

I'm sorry for the service some of you got.

As my above post says Hills have offered this service for years and other bookies must use their odds as a guide

Im sure Morrisons in Lithgae do some of the Junior games also.

If its the same as their Irvine branch they just use Hills prices

Petershill well supported?

I'd say good luck to the young goalie, being a bookmaker is a license to print money and getting stung now and again is just part of their job. I'm quite sure junior players will be just as honourable as their senior counterparts. The reason they only take trebles now is because the person who does the odds doesn't have enough knowledge to give the correct odds on a lot of the games, therefore the poor wee bookie won't be making as much money as the greedy shit's would like. These greedy companies want everything in their favour and in offering trebles only i'm sure the guy who does the junior prices will be picking up an even bigger bonus than he did before.

Just to summarize I think it's a disgrace you can't get a single bet on the juniors especially on the super league teams, so nocko next time your speaking to will hill tell him he's a greedy c-u-n-t from me, cheers.

Is that you taking out your hatred of Arniston on Willie Hill now?

900 times over by the way boon was at your final against camelon,man of the match for me was robertson

I've mot got enough knowledge??? Oouch that hurts.

FYI i do the odds mostly in my own time for NO bonus whatsoever

Fair play - I did not know Hills offered singles on junior footy for 4 years. I assumed they didnt and was trying to offer some suggestions as to why they wouldnt - never actually alleged that there was corruption.

I was just trying to think of a Central league team who has a support, obviously I couldn't use Pollok because of the pathetic turn out that they had for both the ET and West cup finals; who should I have used???

Have you ever bet on the juniors before? Have you ever actually been to a junior game?????

No and No. Pointis what exactly?

For the record I have never bet on or been too a Faroese league game and I am not surprised that you cant bet singles on them.

Do you do odds for whole of Scotland and if your the man in know, you tell me why did they stop singles?

Yep thats me as for your second question. Singles - it was a commercial decision to bring Hills into line with everyone else. I had no say in that decision

I honestly don't think there is corruption in the Juniors but what you do have is insider information as another poster has said, especially in the lower leagues where squads are lighter.
I have made quite a few quid over the years because of info received about teams who for a variety of reasons have been unable to field much of a team (stag weekends/weddings etc etc) yet still attracted good odds because of their league positions and have gone on to lose to teams with long odds.
It's happened to my own team, where on paper they should have easily beaten their opponents but because you knew of players unavailable due to holidays or injury, you knew it was going to be an uphill task.
Only pride on these occasions prevented me from betting against my team although I could have made a few quid.
The question is, if any club official bet against a team with this knowledge available, does that make them corrupt or just smart ?

It certainly seemed as if you think there is corruption (or the potential for it) in the Junior game.
In case you haven't noticed corruption is everywhere in life (even in giving out the medals you seem to think I want).
It is was one of the (few) risks that bookies have to take.

For someone who has never bet on a junior game or even been to one you seem to have strong feelings about something you know nothing about!

To me thats just using your info wisely. In the lower leagues especially bet limits are lower so if your willing to throw a game for £500 then feel free

I regularly bet on the juniors, and usually did trebles anyway, so when they stopped taking singles, wasn't overly fussed.

Problem, as someone has previously mentioned, is getting the odds in the shop (Hills).
If the sheet which they print has been taken down, or given out, it is almost impossible for someone to get prices.
The E.Times usually prints the Hills odds on a Friday, but only the west fixtures.

Again sorry for this service. The poster SHOULD be displayed. ALL odds are always on screen as well.

Thats just the point - they dont 'have' to!

This thread is a poll. Agree? The pole is do you want to bet on junior league football. Agree?

No I dont. I have given my reasons why. Please tell me, should I be able to bet on my sunday league pub side? Of course not. I see no difference.

The difference is Haitch most of the Junior teams in the East and West premier and first divisions would beat the majority of the teams in the Scottish Senior leagues 2 and 3, Sunday pub teams would not.

It's a pole where views are being expressed, yours included.

A bookie who takes no risks takes no bets.
He therefore makes no money from bets and after paying overheads he loses money.
That is why a bookie has to take bets (of some sort).
The point most people (apart from yourself) are making is why not add junior bets to that list?
You say there is no market, given you have confessed to having no knowledge of junior football how do you know this?

Nocko, IMO, seems to be doing something constructive for junior betting fans here.

Fair enough if that is true. As I said, I have not got a clue as to how good they are. I have seen a good number of Highland leage matches hence my thread trying to gauge the quality of the respective leagues.

So in all seriousness, is the Highland League generally considered to be better quality than the East / west premier junior league?

The Highland League quality is exceptionally poor, much lower than the Juniors; dae you get betting on the Highland League games???

I dont think so - I have never seen it.

Do you actually bet on anything????

Have you heard of the Grand National???

I have not bet on either Highland league or juniors because I know too little about the teams involved. I am aware that there are more variables involved in these leagues. I was not even aware that you could bet on these leagues. I almost exclusivley use Betfair and I know for a fact you can not bet on these leagues on that website.

This is not a gripe (well maybe a little )

At the start of last season you had odds compiled on all Eastern junior games, i.e Super league, Premier, South Division & North division......

As the season went on you stopped doing odds on the lower league teams, or teams that were not doing so well. Was this due to work load or the fact that the bookies were loosing too much money??

Im not moaning, as I think they/you do a brilliant job, by producing odds every week, just that it was good when all games were available.

Cheers!

Hills are surely big enough to stand alone without going with the herd and I wasn't having a dig earlier about your knowledge, only to say the info you get on teams is bound to be restricted.

If your ever struggling on east region odds give me a shout and i'll help you out and you can pay me with half that bonus you apparently don't receive ha ha.

Just avoid the Arniston Rangers games Boon............

I used to bet continously on the Juniors when it was singles, but then not so much when it was changed to trebles. Yous were saying that if you know of injuries and reasosn fr people not being there is unfair etc. but ye know if kris boyd is injured or mcgregor is unavailble for fmaily reasons etc so theres not really much diffirence. Not many teams organsie stag nights in the middle of a season. So i really do think singles should be put back in place. nocko does a good service as he does all odds in his spare time and doesnt get paid for it. You think hills would see this and take advantage of his good will, not that they should Owen lol

is there a junior coupon available at all william hills