In all honesty, when was the last time that Dumfries had two teams playing in the Scottish Cup proper?
If I were being perfectly honest, Queens actually play in the old town of Maxwelltown just over the river from Dumfries. Is this the first time Dumfries is to be represented since Queens were founded in 1919?
Thanks.
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According to Brian McColl's outstanding website http://www.geocities.com/br1anmccoll/, all these clubs have been seniors and from Dumfries. I've put clubs in existence in 1919 or after in bold :
You would have to go back to the 1880s or 1890s to find the last time 2 Dumfries teams were in the Scottish Cup - in fact, you would probably have to go right back to before the Preliminary Round system, and later the Qualifying Cups, were instituted. If you classify Queen of the South as representing Maxwelltown, then you would have to go back to when (or if) any of the clubs in bold above last played in the Scottish Cup proper, to find out the last 'true' Dumfries entry......
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1st Dumfries-shire Rifle Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1881 1883
5th Kings's Own Scottish Borderers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1908 1919
5th Kirkcudbrightshire Rifle Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1879 1896
Arrol-Johnston Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1918 1919
Blackwood Dynamos Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Crichton Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1972
Dumfries [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1869
Dumfries [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1885 1891
Dumfries [3] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1919
Dumfries [4] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1968
Dumfries Academicals Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1881 1885
Dumfries Amateurs Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1909 1920
Dumfries Harp Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1889 1890
Dumfries Hibernian Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1901
Dumfries High School Former Pupils Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Dumfries Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1884 1885
Dumfries St Johns Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1891 1892
Dumfries Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1880 1881
Dumfries United Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1987 1987
Dumfries Wanderers Dumfries Dumfries-shire
East End Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1881 1883
Gladstonians Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1889 1898
Greystone Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1938
Herald Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1880 1881
Jessiefield Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire 18** 18**
Leafield Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Lincluden Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1960 1980
Lochar Amateurs Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Maxwelltown High School FP Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1973
Maxwelltown Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1892 1895
Maxwelltown Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1896 1908
Nithsdale Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Queen of the South Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919
Queen of the South Wanderers [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1873 1890
Queen of the South Wanderers [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1890 1894
St John's Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1890 1891
Vale of Nith [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1880 1883
Vale of Nith [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1883 1889
Wallacehall Academical Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1882 1883
5th Kings's Own Scottish Borderers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1908 1919
5th Kirkcudbrightshire Rifle Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1879 1896
Arrol-Johnston Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1918 1919
Blackwood Dynamos Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Crichton Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1972
Dumfries [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1869
Dumfries [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1885 1891
Dumfries [3] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1919
Dumfries [4] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1968
Dumfries Academicals Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1881 1885
Dumfries Amateurs Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1909 1920
Dumfries Harp Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1889 1890
Dumfries Hibernian Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1901
Dumfries High School Former Pupils Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Dumfries Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1884 1885
Dumfries St Johns Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1891 1892
Dumfries Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1880 1881
Dumfries United Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1987 1987
Dumfries Wanderers Dumfries Dumfries-shire
East End Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1881 1883
Gladstonians Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1889 1898
Greystone Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1938
Herald Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1880 1881
Jessiefield Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire 18** 18**
Leafield Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Lincluden Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1960 1980
Lochar Amateurs Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Maxwelltown High School FP Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1973
Maxwelltown Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1892 1895
Maxwelltown Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1896 1908
Nithsdale Dumfries Dumfries-shire
Queen of the South Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919
Queen of the South Wanderers [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1873 1890
Queen of the South Wanderers [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1890 1894
St John's Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1890 1891
Vale of Nith [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1880 1883
Vale of Nith [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1883 1889
Wallacehall Academical Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1882 1883
You would have to go back to the 1880s or 1890s to find the last time 2 Dumfries teams were in the Scottish Cup - in fact, you would probably have to go right back to before the Preliminary Round system, and later the Qualifying Cups, were instituted. If you classify Queen of the South as representing Maxwelltown, then you would have to go back to when (or if) any of the clubs in bold above last played in the Scottish Cup proper, to find out the last 'true' Dumfries entry......
For those of you interested, and as a comparison to the Senior list above, all these clubs have been junior and from Dumfries:
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Troqueer Dumfries Dumfriesshire 1947 1951
5th King's Own Scottish Borderers Juniors Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1908 1919 probably connected to 5th KOSB FC
5th Kirkcudbright Rifle Volunteers 2nd XI Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1892 1896
Ashfield Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1911 1913
Balmoral Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1901 1906
Bankend Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Blackwood Rangers Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Crichton Royal Infirmary Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1950 1951
Dumfries Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1920 1921
Dumfries British Legion Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1946
Dumfries Corinthians Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Dumfries Rail Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1922 1923
Dumfries Rosslyn Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Dumfries Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1889 1890
Dumfries Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1894 1895
Dumfries Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Dumfries YMCA Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1946 1947
LMS Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1951
Lochar United Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1946
Locharheath Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1922 1923
Maxwelltown Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1902 1923
Maxwelltown Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1892 1895 Seniors 1894-1895
Maxwelltown United Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919 1923
Maxwelltown Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1908 Junior side of Maxwelltown Volunteers FC
Nithsdale Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1896 1920
Primrose Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1902 1903
Rob Roy Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1899
Rosefield Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1899 1920
Rosefield United Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Roslyn Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1904 1906
Shakespeare Star Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
St Andrew's [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919 1920
St Andrew's [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1951
St Andrew's YMS Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
St John's Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1890 1891 merged with Dumfries seniors to for Dumfries St John's seniors 1891
Tayleurians Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919 1923
Thornhill Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1948 1951
5th King's Own Scottish Borderers Juniors Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1908 1919 probably connected to 5th KOSB FC
5th Kirkcudbright Rifle Volunteers 2nd XI Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1892 1896
Ashfield Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1911 1913
Balmoral Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1901 1906
Bankend Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Blackwood Rangers Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Crichton Royal Infirmary Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1950 1951
Dumfries Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1920 1921
Dumfries British Legion Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1946
Dumfries Corinthians Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Dumfries Rail Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1922 1923
Dumfries Rosslyn Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Dumfries Swifts Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1889 1890
Dumfries Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1894 1895
Dumfries Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Dumfries YMCA Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1946 1947
LMS Rovers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1951
Lochar United Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1946
Locharheath Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1922 1923
Maxwelltown Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1902 1923
Maxwelltown Thistle Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1892 1895 Seniors 1894-1895
Maxwelltown United Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919 1923
Maxwelltown Volunteers Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1908 Junior side of Maxwelltown Volunteers FC
Nithsdale Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1896 1920
Primrose Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1902 1903
Rob Roy Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1897 1899
Rosefield Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1899 1920
Rosefield United Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
Roslyn Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1904 1906
Shakespeare Star Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
St Andrew's [1] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919 1920
St Andrew's [2] Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1945 1951
St Andrew's YMS Dumfries Dumfries-shire * *
St John's Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1890 1891 merged with Dumfries seniors to for Dumfries St John's seniors 1891
Tayleurians Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1919 1923
Thornhill Dumfries Dumfries-shire 1948 1951
An unexpected day off has allowed me to consult Malcolm Pagan's excellent publication 'Senior Non-League Football in South West Scotland', which means I can answer both of your questions.
Is this the first time Dumfries is to be represented since Queens were founded in 1919?
If you class Queen of the South as 'Maxwelltown', then Crichton are the first team to represent Dumfries since Dumfries FC (the third of many clubs to carry that of name) lost 5-1 away to Broxburn in the First Round in 1913/14. Regarding the date in your question, Queen of the South were formed in March 1919 but their first entry to the Scottish Cup was season 1920/21.
When was the last time that Dumfries had two teams playing in the Scottish Cup proper?
In 1893/94, Queen of the South Wanderers (not the present club with a similar name) and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles both played in the Scottish Cup. However, QotS Wanderers lost in the preliminary competition, and therefore not the Scottish Cup proper.
The answer is thus 1892/93: when Queen of the South Wanderers lost 5-1 away to St Bernards in the First Round; and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles beat Camelon 5-3 at home in the First Round, before losing 7-0 away to Celtic in the Second Round.
Is this the first time Dumfries is to be represented since Queens were founded in 1919?
If you class Queen of the South as 'Maxwelltown', then Crichton are the first team to represent Dumfries since Dumfries FC (the third of many clubs to carry that of name) lost 5-1 away to Broxburn in the First Round in 1913/14. Regarding the date in your question, Queen of the South were formed in March 1919 but their first entry to the Scottish Cup was season 1920/21.
When was the last time that Dumfries had two teams playing in the Scottish Cup proper?
In 1893/94, Queen of the South Wanderers (not the present club with a similar name) and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles both played in the Scottish Cup. However, QotS Wanderers lost in the preliminary competition, and therefore not the Scottish Cup proper.
The answer is thus 1892/93: when Queen of the South Wanderers lost 5-1 away to St Bernards in the First Round; and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles beat Camelon 5-3 at home in the First Round, before losing 7-0 away to Celtic in the Second Round.
QUOTE (HibeeJibee @ Jun 19 2008, 13:08) 
An unexpected day off has allowed me to consult Malcolm Pagan's excellent publication 'Senior Non-League Football in South West Scotland', which means I can answer both of your questions.
Is this the first time Dumfries is to be represented since Queens were founded in 1919?
If you class Queen of the South as 'Maxwelltown', then Crichton are the first team to represent Dumfries since Dumfries FC (the third of many clubs to carry that of name) lost 5-1 away to Broxburn in the First Round in 1913/14. Regarding the date in your question, Queen of the South were formed in March 1919 but their first entry to the Scottish Cup was season 1920/21.
When was the last time that Dumfries had two teams playing in the Scottish Cup proper?
In 1893/94, Queen of the South Wanderers (not the present club with a similar name) and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles both played in the Scottish Cup. However, QotS Wanderers lost in the preliminary competition, and therefore not the Scottish Cup proper.
The answer is thus 1892/93: when Queen of the South Wanderers lost 5-1 away to St Bernards in the First Round; and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles beat Camelon 5-3 at home in the First Round, before losing 7-0 away to Celtic in the Second Round.
Is this the first time Dumfries is to be represented since Queens were founded in 1919?
If you class Queen of the South as 'Maxwelltown', then Crichton are the first team to represent Dumfries since Dumfries FC (the third of many clubs to carry that of name) lost 5-1 away to Broxburn in the First Round in 1913/14. Regarding the date in your question, Queen of the South were formed in March 1919 but their first entry to the Scottish Cup was season 1920/21.
When was the last time that Dumfries had two teams playing in the Scottish Cup proper?
In 1893/94, Queen of the South Wanderers (not the present club with a similar name) and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles both played in the Scottish Cup. However, QotS Wanderers lost in the preliminary competition, and therefore not the Scottish Cup proper.
The answer is thus 1892/93: when Queen of the South Wanderers lost 5-1 away to St Bernards in the First Round; and 5th Battalion Kirkcubrightshire Volunteer Rifles beat Camelon 5-3 at home in the First Round, before losing 7-0 away to Celtic in the Second Round.
Thanks very much for that Hibee, it was an excellently detailed piece that you put together
I have been reading some of you posts during the past year or so and you are certainly well up in knowledge regarding non league football. I have always swayed more towards the English pyramid due to the fact that it is not a dead-end situation. I followed Gretna in the Unibond League before they crossed the frontier!
If ever there was a person I would like to share a pint with, then it would be you. I would love to sit and listen to your stories, theories, propositions and plans regarding the possible move to end the closed door situation that makes Scottish football simply look daft.
Thanks again for the reply and I hope we can meet up one day
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