Exclusive: Boy faces boot from Cubs after refusing Queen's oath on religious grounds

No bad for a eight year old

Is that Beyemistic's son?

This is the kind of disease we are trying to eradicate in Scotland .... clearly the breeding of bigots is alive and well. Its pretty pathetic that a 8 year old boy could be politically indoctrinated. Shame on his parents they are the real bigots in all this (and no i have no love for the queen or the royal family)

anyways i thought you are a QoS fan or was that you're facade when you first joined ... either way i don't see what this thread has to do with football ....

Cheek.

I was in the cubs myself you know. But the allegience-swearing bit never bothered me nor did unfurling and saluting the butcher's apron. Especially since our 'pack' didn't actually have a pole so we had to make do with limply hanging our flag off a cupboard.

I vaguely remember there was a hoo haa when cub HQ tried to make us remove our diamond-shaped PX badges which apparently set us apart and symbolised our distinctive identity. At the time I only really went along to play football afterwards and, being 8, was at that time more interested in playing on my Sega master system than taking on institutionalised hunnery!

But hats off to this young man - he is entirely correct in everything he says. Maybe it should be looked into.

I don't remember doing anything like that when I was in the Cubs.

Mind you all we did was play human srummage and football.

Actually I think I do remember questions being asked about all the forlock tugging to Queen and Flag and the response which came from our geriatric Akela was the biblical injunction to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesars" because, naturally, our ultimate allegiance was to a higher authority.

Looking back there is a good bit of absurdity involved in joining a group for wee boys started by a renowned peadophile, and then discussing the political implications of the various rituals with people who were named after jungle book characters

You do have a sense of humour after all Beyemistic.Glad to see it.

The allegience thing I do remember doing but it was more out of habit at the cubs than anything else and as you say it was the football etc that I remember at the cubs and tying f*cken reef knots which to be fair have come in quite handy in later life.

I have missed out your last sentence on reply for obvious reasons as it is boy scout tradition so why change whether we agree or not.

For an 8 year old boy to make this stand,god help us all.

poltics in cubs

as a former cub leader i think they should have an alterntive for folk that want nothing to do with the royals to something else in the same way it is changed for different religions.

Well, I am only glad I grew up a normal kid and wasn’t subjected to the cubs or other such organisations.

So normal kids didn't go to the cubs or boys brigade etc.??

Beyemystic:Should these organisations be in capitals?

why do you say that, folk in cubs etc are normal

i was a BB, cubs and scouts are a bunch of wanks.

bb was aptly named.Bent b*stards

I totally agree with the kid, however it's not having him pledge allegiance to the Queen I would have a problem with, although being a republican I wouldn't do it, it's the pledgeing allegiance to God that is the disgusting thing here.

Anyway as this has nothing to do with Celtic FC, I am going to throw this into General Nonsense and hope that the originator of the topic is derided for team he supports despite constantly posting his own brand of pro-Celtic and anti-Rangers pseudo sectarianism. I am sure the real QoS supporters will back you up though.

Aye so we will!!

What a disgrace. It's an offence to the Queen, The Royal Family, to Buckingham Palace, the monarchy as an institution. Disgusting.

But he's one of you, look at the team he chose. That wasn't an automatic selection, he physically chose Queens because he supports them...

The boy looks like the devil incarnate. I'd chuck him out the cubs too.

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

they should march him straight down to the tower of london

Or perhaps thrown into the The London Dungeons?

Walk of shame down The Mall to face the Queen first.

Bring back stocks and leave him on House Guards Parade

off with his head and hang it on hammersmith bridge

Then off to Highgate Cemetary with him.

Not read the whole thread but completely disagree with this comment. The boy's mother comes across as an intelligent young woman and she is quite right in what she says. Only last month some minor royal with a face like a horse....geez, I'm going to have to be way more specific...whatsisname, Phillips, married a woman who had to give up her Catholic faith. This is 2008 not 1808, for fucks sake. The wee boy did the right thing. I used to love the royal family at a very early age until we were forced, aged about 10, to stand out in the rain for fucking ages to see the Queen whizz buy without so much as a buyorleave. Caught the cold for that old cow!

Send him to Celtic Boys Club

The article mentions neither Celtic nor football - but the OP seems to think that being an anti-monarchy Catholic is the first qualification for a 'possible Celtic great'.

Thanks for tidying up any doubt about what 'Celtic Minded' means

Exactly, and why it was shifted from the OF forum. The OP is a shit poster anyway, it's to be expected.

I have a solution to this.

Swear the oath you wee eejit.

One of the worst posters in the district.

Line him up against the wall, and bring forth the Ban Hammer

Send him to Stonehenge!

(I'm not platinum, that's as close as I'm allowed )

Seconded

And what planet does the mother think she's on, thinking she's sounding intelligent by using words like "multicultural". Forgive me for going on Daily Mail mode here but she has 3 kids and she is 29 years of age - would it be too centralparker of me to suggest they all have different fathers? If this is the case...


THEN OFF WITH HER HEAD REPRODUCTIVE TUBING!

Do you get out much? That's practically frigid in some parts of Hamilton.

i live in neilston,and this quite suprises me, as all the catholics used to go to the cubs, and the prods to the bb.

I take it there is a picture on the record site? When i switch the computer on i will take a look at it to see if i recognise the girls face.

The way things are up here, i will probably know a relation or two......

Is that the sound of you stumbling about in the dark, Monster? I think it is...

it's the pledgeing allegiance to God that is the disgusting thing here.

so that upsets you does it Nice to see you spell God with a capital G
must meen something that

I completely agree.

People spell Santa with a capital S, but it doesnt mean they believe in him.

Im not going to get into a debate over the subject but people also use the word 'God' meaning 'the laws of physics' or as in 'natures course'. It doesnt mean they believe in a 'God' in the religious omnipotent, omnipresent sense.

My friend talked me going into the boys brigade a few times, i think i was about 10 at the time. He said "its great you play football and other stuff".

The first night we got there, we spent the entire night marching, and then getting into some sort of weird formation, it was the one and only time i went to something like that, it felt like a mini orange meet up.

You can always rely on the Daily Ranger to focus on the issues that really matter in Scotland

Well, at least you grew up normal so thank yourself lucky for that.

I am also capable of spelling "mean"..

Of course God is spelt with a capital, it's a name, or are you devoid of any understanding of what I presume is your native language.

Disgusting stuff - the mother clearly has manipulated the boy to her way of thinking, and is saying "he's a bright boy" because he's inherited her trouble making ways. Who cares if Catholics can't be in the monarchy - and surely it's a good thing, who the f**k would want to be a Royal?

However, the Scouts are portrayed in a bad light too - with youth organisations struggling for numbers (I was a part of the BB for most of my childhood) they should be willing to come and go, instead of forcing kids to ally themselves with a ridiculous political figurehead and a non existent "superior being". Stories like these are the reason why these organisations have an "uncool" image.

Actually, despite being an atheist and a republican I do. I believe as it is, the Royal family could be taken to the EU Human Rights court for that level of religious discrimination. It's a hangover from centuries old xenophobia and should be abolished.

I'm guessing Ric is also capable of spelling "Purist" properly...

I totally agree. It's the story's (or stories) fault. There's no blame to be had by the organisation for insisting that you must swear an oath to the head of a discriminatory organisation/institution.

You know I never even noticed until now.

Agreed, the cubs give young boys the opportunity to have fun with their pals, play sports and learn useful skills. I was a cub and had a great time.

I don't believe for one minute that an 8-year-old would object to royal references. On the contrary, lads that age - catholic or not - would find the whole idea of doing something for the queen pretty damn exciting.

In fact, I'm sure that the head of the catholic church had a whale of a time as a boy swearing allegiance to sein fuehrer.