Congratulations to QOS as european football beckons after todays result.Hopefully a draw against one of the big boys resulting in a full house at Palmerston.Well done! Another good advert today for the 1st division from St Johnstone so credit should go to them as well.

It's a shame that the capacity will need to be cut for your game(s) but it will be a great occassion for the club. How much will Palmerston hold without the terrace behind the goal?

Really good to see just how well the 1st division has fared this season. Partick, Hamilton and Saints have all done well against SPL sides(by all accounts accies should have beaten Aberdeen) and of course us beating Aberdeen too. Just hope we go and give Rangers the same game as the saints and Thistle have done.

Why wont the terrace be able to be used?!

You can't use terracing in European competition.

Good luck Queens. I think it might just be another embarrasing event in Scottish football ala Gretna. But hey, your there on merit and I wish it was us! Well done.

Joke of a system, as usual.

Hope they get someone big. AC Milan v QoS at Palmerston, sounds good

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Well done Queen of the South, good luck in Europe on August 14th. (Unless you beat Gers).

The poorer nations use the terracing in Europe

No, they don't.

Superb! Well done Queens and Good luck for the final

what about the german teams ... some of them have terracing.

Queens in Europe, Hamilton win the league, Dundee United aren't fighting relegation, what an utterly ludicrous season this has been.

How the fcuk is that racist

Unfortunately Bert Kassis's site no longer has projected UEFA Cup seedings, just Champions League. However using this season as a comparison, Dunfermline (seeds - Queen of the South have no ranking points, and will use Scotland's, and will be a seed) could have drawn teams from the following countries in the Northern Section:

Sweden x2
Finland x3
Latvia x1
Lithuania x2
Eire x1
Belarus x2
Luxembourg x1

Teams from Iceland, Estonia, Northern Ireland, Wales, Faroe Islands and Luxembourg are also in Northern Section, but none of them reached Qualifying Round 2. Teams from Denmark, Norway and the InterToto and FairPlay winners also enter along Q2 but they are almost invariably seeds due to their stronger leagues / better pedigree.

Of course, Queen of the South could beat Rangers and get directly into First Round...

Cant wait.

What an occasion, been away with Scotland before but this will be special!

You should have OK chance of progession too? Only Hammarby this season were 'big'.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seeduc2007.html

Any chance UEFA could either bring both matches forward to before 14th July or alternatively have them played in Australia?

Well done QOS! Hopefully you'll do better than ourselves and Gretna have done in recent years.

Savour the moment though regardless, been abroad plenty of times with Scotland but seeing the Pars in Iceland a few years ago was something very special that will live long in my memory.

Not wanting to put a dampener on things, but is it not likely you'll move this to Rugby Park or Fir Park? Surely the £££ signs will be too hard to resist - you could get a crowd of 10k or 12k depending who you draw, but as previously stated only about 3k crowd at Palmerston.

I think that would be a better idea,possibly even Hampden if you draw one of the big teams.I think a lot of fans from the 1st division would maybe attend to show their support too.I see you took over 12,000 to the semi final,so that along with the 1st divisions finest and you could maybe hit the 20,000 barrier.What are the Queens fans opinions,Palmerson or Hampden?

Congratulations to QoS. Enjoy the european adventure.

When did UEFA ban terracing? We played our first two european games at Starks and the ground was still terraced. There was a reduced capacity of about 5,000 but that was plenty for games against teams from the Faroe Islands and Iceland.

We played the Bayern Munich game at Easter Road.

Heysel was the catalyst, but there is also the broader issue of minimum standards. There is seldom significant risk in a seated stand, while terraces across Europe were crumbling and rotten, without barriers and often with the big security fences (which made Heysel worse).

During the 1990s there was a graded system (that is why Raith got a bigger crowd v Gotu IF, the Faroe team, than against Akranes in the next round - the capacity was reduced). Having drawn Bayern in the next again round, facing a smaller again terraced capacity and the massive demand for tickets, it made better sense to move it to (all-seat) Easter Road.

There are still exceptions allowed - the Faroe Islands have one for international matches at 1 stadium - but Scotland has plenty of seated venues, and Queens have 2 seated stands.

I can't find the crowd from the Gotu Itrotterfelag. I thought it was around 5,000 same as the Akranes game.

Akranes game:
http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=238800

Do UEFA still have this grading system for grounds with terracing?

Edit: Found it.

http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=351086

We had a smaller crowd when we played Gotu.

Unless QoS draw a big name then they would probably be as well keeping the tie at Palmerston.

Would this not perhaps be an opportunity for Queens to seat some extra bits of their ground - perhaps alongside the old stand (In the same manner as ICT have the open seated wings)

Or even the old terregles street end - not too big - but still enough maybe to get 1500 or more seats on - like some of the old terracings with seats on it you get in various grounds (Fir Park, Cappielow, Love St, etc). Queens must have made and will be due to make a fair bit of Dosh out of the cup. Amongst sponsor money, gate money, etc etc it cant be far off £1M.

In another country other than Scotland I'm sure they could try to get the expansion done in time but our planning application system, and the time it takes to deal with objections, would scupper it.

Do UEFA require covered seats?

Because I'm sure it would be a fairly easy job to convert the Terregles Street terracing into tiled benches, a la Morton, and surely wouldn't require planning permission.

Ah Hem, We Beat Motherwell To Get To Your Lot

So are we looking at mid-august for the 2nd qualifying round? or end sep for the first round proper ?

Has it now been confirmed that our floodlights and pitch dimensions meet the criteria? Do we need to meet any other criteria? I heard our lack of a Dope Testing Room was a potential issue, have we now resolved this by putting a "Doping Room" label on the broom-cupboard?!

I'm sure we will wait and see what round we are in and who we are playing before deciding where to play it. If we lose to Rangers and get say a Welsh team in the 2nd QR I would expect Palmerston to be used. If we draw a bigger team or advance from QR2 (or win the Cup!) then I'm sure we will consider Rugby Park or Fir Park (perhaps even NDP seen as Hamilton are an SPL team now?)

As far as planning permission is concerned, we had some granted a while back which I believe is still "active" or whatever the term is. However the reason the Terregles end isn't in use is because it doesn't have a safety certificate, and I doubt making it seated rather than standing would be ample for it to be considered "safe".

Ultimately for us to progress long-term we need to develop Palmerston which may sadly mean losing the terracing. I love the ground as it is and would be disappointed to see any changes made, with the obvious exception of making the Terregles end usable again. C'est la vie. I trust the board to make the right decision financially. I would love to see a European tie at Palmerston but if our long term future is benefitted by moving the tie then so be it.

It's been mentioned in the Cup Final thread, but hearing the pundits talking on MOTD2 about Pompey, Villa and Everton fighting it out for a UEFA Cup spot and then being able to smile and say, we're already their really is surreal. I love it though

Seen a link on the MAD site clubs that have qualified -

UEFA Cup

First Qualifying Round
Viking
Kalmar FF
Djurgardens IF
FK Riga
Liepajas Metalurgs
Suduva
Haka
Cork City
St. Patrick's Athletic
FH Hafnarfjaroar
IA Akranes
Shakhtyor
Narva Trans
Flora Tallinn
Banants Yerevan
MIKA Yerevan
Tobol Kostanay
Shakhter Karganady
EB/Streymur
B36 Torshavn
Second Qualifying Round
CSKA Moscow
Lillestrom
Stabaek

Its an old link as well, these teams are the ones from the leagues who run "summer" seasons, I think.

Can't wait, some cracking trips in there!

Getting a team from somewhere else in the British Isles would be just a little bit of an anti climax.

I'm hoping for somewhere a bit obscure that I'd never have a reason for visiting otherwise. Or at the very least somewhere that you need to get on a plane to get to. Of the countries we are likely to be drawn with somewhere in the Baltics would probably top my list.

Where are half these sides from?!

Hope you get a good draw regardless.

It'll be a club from the British Isles, Scandanavia, the Baltic states or Belarus. Maybe Luxembourg.

R.e. doonhameronthe... the Qualifying Round 2 dates are Thursday 14th and Thursday 28th August; the First Round dates are Thursday 18th September and Thursday 2nd October.

Queen of the South will be seeded in Qualifying Round 2, and would be unseeded in First Round.

I'm afraid that you usually have to register a single ground with UEFA before the competition starts, so I'm pretty sure you can't use Palmerston for the Qualifying Round 2 tie then move up to Rugby Park for the First Round. Whether you decide before or after the draw I don't know. This may in fact be academic, because as someone says above, your pitch and lights may be inferior.

This is what I posted on another thread a while ago on this

I dont remember checking the floodlight requirements, but given that ours have just been changed to dramtically improve the lux Im not sure there would be any problems there. As the quote says, there are other requirements, like media facilities, parking, doping rooms and so on that may or may not cause an issue. I dont know enough about the behind the scenes of Palmerston to be able to say for sure.

When Raith Rovers were in the UEFA Cup did they not play their earlier games at Starks Park before moving to Easter Road for the Bayern Munich game? (Granted though that was a few years ago so maybe the rules have changed now.)

For sentimental reasons I would definitely prefer if Palmerston could be used. And I would have thought that the money brought in from this cup run would go a long way to getting the stadium done up a reality - although probably not in time for August.

I think Hearts were refused to play KO matches at Tynecastle, then Group matches at Murrayfield.

I think some of the German teams with terracing can convert them to seated areas for European games.

Aye, right enough. had completely forgot about that game. Apologies

Surely the game can't be played at Palmerston? UEFA rules state the ground has to be up to the standard on the highest league in the country, and as Palmerston is not SPL-compliant, the game will have to be shifted. Shame, though.

Not true. You may be confusing yourself with the Scottish Cup rules, which state that an SPL club moving a match to another venue must conform with SPL rules at that venue*. In the UEFA Cup, you must simply fulfil the following category information:
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/141025.pdf

*ironically Gretna broke this by using terracing during their match with Morton at QotS

Provided QotS meet the various regulations, they can play in front of their 3,000 seats.

Also, you can see the rulings on the different categories here:
http://www.svenskfotboll.se/files/%7B07BCA...00BE8F71%7D.pdf

If Queens do decide to move the tie then I hope they move it to a venue in Glasgow or Edinburgh.

Kilmarnock or Motherwell might be slightly closer to Dumfries but the two big cities aren't particularly further away and are possibly easier to get to. And away crowds for games in Glasgow and Edinburgh are always bolstered by Queens fans/Dumfries expats living locally - the Hibs game a few years ago for one good example.

I'd expect that the potential rental charge for the ground will be a massive factor in determining where any Queens "home" game will be played. With the problems at Motherwell this season, I can see clubs being reluctant to hire their stadium. Even though it will in all probability be for one or two games and in the Summer.

I'm still coming to terms with the correct sequence of these random words:-

Europe/playing/Queens/in/are

I agree

CSKA Moscow

Hi guys. I just want to wish you all the best for the upcoming European games you will have. I hope you enjoy them as much as I did when Raith did Scotland so proud in 1995. Good luck and hopefully you can get through a few games and meet a Bayern Munich or someone as big. Oh, and forget the snipers, you lot DESERVE to be there on merit. I sincerely hope you win the Scottish Cup against the most vile half of the Bigot Brothers. Go for it QOS.

congratulation qos

if my lazio arrived in italycup final we 'll have a place in uefacup......

and a travel to dumfries for me would be great...

Cheers! Emulating Raith's success from that year would be incredible, although I think with the format of the competition it might be more difficult to survive for as many games now. Looking forward to some adventures though.

And the snipers can snipe all they want. I don't think you'll find many Queens fans shedding too many tears over it. In fact anyone with a problem about it can quite frankly get it right up them. One silver lining of any early round defeat would be knowing the harm it's doing to the Old Firm's precious European coefficient.