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GoTeamGaz
canny freakin wait!
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QUOTE (GoTeamGaz @ Apr 6 2008, 22:38) *
canny freakin wait!


Should hopefully get it in the next day or two.

Hopefully it will be a step forward from the gamecube outing, which was pretty run of the mill.
xbl
Am I the only person in the world who never got into Mariokart in any of its incarnations (going back to the SNES days)? Most other Wii owners seem to be moist with anticipation, but I don't really care.
Hack
Can't wait for it coming out. 12 player online races maximum. Should be immense.

Mario Kart is a total classic, and should be the best thing on the wii.
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QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 6 2008, 23:16) *
Am I the only person in the world who never got into Mariokart in any of its incarnations (going back to the SNES days)? Most other Wii owners seem to be moist with anticipation, but I don't really care.


The one i liked best was the N64 one, really enjoyed shaving tenths off my best laps here and there, but i never really took to the snes one.

Give me a wii waverace and blastcorps and id be happy.
Mr X
QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 6 2008, 23:16) *
Am I the only person in the world who never got into Mariokart in any of its incarnations (going back to the SNES days)? Most other Wii owners seem to be moist with anticipation, but I don't really care.

No. I played the N64, GC and DS versions and never really got into any of them.

This will be a great addition to the Wii catalogue, but Im not planning on getting it.
Dr. Name
Never as good as N64. Recycled garbage.
Mr X
QUOTE (Dr. Name @ Apr 7 2008, 11:40) *
Never as good as N64. Recycled garbage.

huh.gif

That makes no sense whatsoever.
Ric
QUOTE (MarreZ @ Apr 7 2008, 00:28) *
The one i liked best was the N64 one..

If they manage to capture the fun of the N64 one, and not screw it up with stupid controls then it should be a cracker of a game. There is only about 2 or 3 games worth getting an N64 for, this was one of them.

The four player split screen might be a bit of a problem though. The Wii, like the N64 before it, doesn't match the graphical performance of it's peers and I feel that the graphics may become very fuzzy when split screen (esp. quad screen) is used.

Still that didn't stop the N64 version from being a cracking game.
Dr. Name
QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 7 2008, 12:01) *
huh.gif

That makes no sense whatsoever.


It will never be as good as the N64 version. The wii is making a lot of money out of recycled N64 games.
Ric
QUOTE (Dr. Name @ Apr 7 2008, 16:49) *
It will never be as good as the N64 version. The wii is making a lot of money out of recycled N64 games.

To be fair, the N64 made a lot of money out of recycling SNES games; Zelda, Mario Kart, F-Zero, etc.
Dr. Name
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 7 2008, 15:59) *
To be fair, the N64 made a lot of money out of recycling SNES games; Zelda, Mario Kart, F-Zero, etc.


But doing it on a seventh generation console is just pathetic. The N64 could at least revamp those games and give them better graphics and gameplay.
Mr X
QUOTE (Dr. Name @ Apr 7 2008, 17:15) *
But doing it on a seventh generation console is just pathetic. The N64 could at least revamp those games and give them better graphics and gameplay.

But the Wii cant? blink.gif

As Ric says, Nintendo have made a living out of revamping and continuing old games and characters. Zelda is a brilliant Wii game, Super Smash Bros is supposed to be very good, as are SuperMario Galaxy and Metroid Prime. Third party companies are doing it too with titles like RE4 and Pro Evo.

All of those benefit from the Wii's control system and, to a lesser extent, the better graphics.

Im not quite sure why you have such a problem with Nintendo doing it to their other flagship title unsure.gif
Dr. Name
QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 7 2008, 16:28) *
But the Wii cant? blink.gif

As Ric says, Nintendo have made a living out of revamping and continuing old games and characters. Zelda is a brilliant Wii game, Super Smash Bros is supposed to be very good, as are SuperMario Galaxy and Metroid Prime. Third party companies are doing it too with titles like RE4 and Pro Evo.

All of those benefit from the Wii's control system and, to a lesser extent, the better graphics.

Im not quite sure why you have such a problem with Nintendo doing it to their other flagship title unsure.gif


I dont have a problem with them doing it, i just dont think they were as good as the N64 versions. I didnt find the Wii Zelda as good as the N64's ocarina of time. Super Mario galaxy is ok, havent played the rest. Just dont think it will be as good as the N64 version, thats all. Nothing against the Wii, i love the sports.
Ric
QUOTE (Dr. Name @ Apr 7 2008, 17:35) *
I dont have a problem with them doing it, i just dont think they were as good as the N64 versions. I didnt find the Wii Zelda as good as the N64's ocarina of time. Super Mario galaxy is ok, havent played the rest. Just dont think it will be as good as the N64 version, thats all. Nothing against the Wii, i love the sports.

The jump between the 8-bit computers and the 16/32 bit ones was a major leap (ie: SNES -> N64), the leap between the N64 and the Wii is considerably smaller in comparison so to an extent I would agree with you regarding the lack of impact.

I don't see anything wrong with Nintendo rehashing their titles. That's a regular feature of all consoles (and one of the reasons I don't own one). If it's not Zelda doing it on Nintendo, it's Gran Turismo on the PS. I do prefer the open market of the PC though, despite the fact that piracy has drastically reduced the number of titles available for it.
Mr X
QUOTE (Dr. Name @ Apr 7 2008, 17:35) *
I dont have a problem with them doing it, i just dont think they were as good as the N64 versions. I didnt find the Wii Zelda as good as the N64's ocarina of time. Super Mario galaxy is ok, havent played the rest. Just dont think it will be as good as the N64 version, thats all. Nothing against the Wii, i love the sports.

Fair enough - I thought you were saying that they wouldnt be any better just because laugh.gif

Dont necessarily agree though. Ocarina was a bit of a hard act to follow! The Wii lends itself to simple racing games very well, I think. And as far as simple racing games go Mario Kart is king. It could be a huge improvement on the N64 version, especially with online play thrown in.
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 7 2008, 17:59) *
The jump between the 8-bit computers and the 16/32 bit ones was a major leap (ie: SNES -> N64), the leap between the N64 and the Wii is considerably smaller in comparison so to an extent I would agree with you regarding the lack of impact.

But thats the case for all the big 3 isnt it? The leap from PS2 to 3 or xbox to 360 isnt that major ... certainly no more or less major than from N64 to Wii.
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 7 2008, 17:59) *
I don't see anything wrong with Nintendo rehashing their titles. That's a regular feature of all consoles (and one of the reasons I don't own one). If it's not Zelda doing it on Nintendo, it's Gran Turismo on the PS. I do prefer the open market of the PC though, despite the fact that piracy has drastically reduced the number of titles available for it.

Agree. Its not just rehashes though. Its dodgy film tie-ins and ropey character based nonsense too. Theres far too much safe game development these days sad.gif
Ric
QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 7 2008, 19:48) *
But thats the case for all the big 3 isnt it? The leap from PS2 to 3 or xbox to 360 isnt that major ... certainly no more or less major than from N64 to Wii.

Yes, totally, but that was my point. The jump from the SNES to the N64 for example saw a huge increase in graphics processing. I would class the former as having faux-3D - a mixture of textures overlaid to suggest depth but having no actual environmental depth. With the move up, generated 3D worlds, thanks to the OpenGL library and the obvious increase in internal data transfer, were finally possible. You could never imagine something like Turok being capable on the SNES.

Within the last couple of generations it's been more about the quality of the graphics rather than how they are represented have been the key. This round seems to be brining in the social networking element, such as XBox Live. Perhaps we are due the "next big step" in gaming but I don't think so. The only obvious direction (to me anyway) it can go is with 'genuine 3D' using holographic technology or perhaps games directly controlled from the brain and while there is definitely work being done on both, having them in your living room is a far way off.


QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 7 2008, 19:48) *
Agree. Its not just rehashes though. Its dodgy film tie-ins and ropey character based nonsense too. There's far too much safe game development these days sad.gif

Money, isn't it? To release a game for a console you need to buy a licence. You are shelling out before you ever make money back. Very few big companies will care that the product isn't as exciting as it should be if they can ship out a, as you say, safe game tied in with an already established brand (movie, sports celebrity, cartoon character, etc).
Mr X
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 7 2008, 20:14) *
Yes, totally, but that was my point. The jump from the SNES to the N64 for example saw a huge increase in graphics processing. I would class the former as having faux-3D - a mixture of textures overlaid to suggest depth but having no actual environmental depth. With the move up, generated 3D worlds, thanks to the OpenGL library and the obvious increase in internal data transfer, were finally possible. You could never imagine something like Turok being capable on the SNES.

Within the last couple of generations it's been more about the quality of the graphics rather than how they are represented have been the key. This round seems to be brining in the social networking element, such as XBox Live. Perhaps we are due the "next big step" in gaming but I don't think so. The only obvious direction (to me anyway) it can go is with 'genuine 3D' using holographic technology or perhaps games directly controlled from the brain and while there is definitely work being done on both, having them in your living room is a far way off.



Money, isn't it? To release a game for a console you need to buy a licence. You are shelling out before you ever make money back. Very few big companies will care that the product isn't as exciting as it should be if they can ship out a, as you say, safe game tied in with an already established brand (movie, sports celebrity, cartoon character, etc).

I know. I was agreeing with you. Its not that much of a rareity that you missed it, is it? tongue.gif

Agree on the rest, though. Nothing about the current gen of consoles represents a major step change in gaming. The "big" two are pushing the graphics on another level and the Wii is moving control in a new direction, but none are taking significant steps in gaming terms. Although, the Wii has opened up gaming to a new audience, which in itself is a significant step.

The next generation will be interesting. It will be interesting to see which way Sony and Microsoft go following the success of the Wii. It will also be interesting to see how Nintendo top the Wii.
Ric
QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 8 2008, 11:14) *
I know. I was agreeing with you. Its not that much of a rareity that you missed it, is it? tongue.gif

Just caught me off guard that's all.. wink.gif


QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 8 2008, 11:14) *
The "big" two are pushing the graphics on another level and the Wii is moving control in a new direction, but none are taking significant steps in gaming terms.

I think it's more the social networking that they are more keen on just now. Imagine if Nintendo could get an exclusive deal with FaceBook or similar, that would be a coup.

Mr X
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 8 2008, 11:44) *
I think it's more the social networking that they are more keen on just now. Imagine if Nintendo could get an exclusive deal with FaceBook or similar, that would be a coup.

God, I hope not dry.gif

If that becomes the main focus of the next gen of consoles then I wont be buying any of them ... Bah Humbug.

Social networking is just a gimmick wink.gif
FilthyMack
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 8 2008, 11:44) *
I think it's more the social networking that they are more keen on just now. Imagine if Nintendo could get an exclusive deal with FaceBook or similar, that would be a coup.

Nintendo don't seem keen to go down the internet road in a big way at all. They're still catering for a market that prefers to play multiplayer games on the same couch where as Microsoft and Sony are treating their network capabilities as a selling point.
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This has came "out" today, so ill have it by morning, its a mee!
FilthyMack
QUOTE (MarreZ @ Apr 8 2008, 19:50) *
This has came "out" today, so ill have it by morning, its a mee!

Hey MarreZza, do you meana itss slippedee ze release data?

I was thinking of phoning Gamestation tomorrow to check if I need to reserve it anyway.
Johnstoun
I might actually get this, need to remove an inch of dust from the Wii though...
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QUOTE (FilthyMack @ Apr 8 2008, 20:45) *
Hey MarreZza, do you meana itss slippedee ze release data?

I was thinking of phoning Gamestation tomorrow to check if I need to reserve it anyway.


No m8, "scene" release.

Forgot to start it downloading though ohmy.gif
Ric
QUOTE (Johnstoun @ Apr 9 2008, 09:16) *
..need to remove an inch of dust from the Wii though...

ohmy.gif Get out of here!

A Wii not used? The WiiPoliis will be feeling your collar soon enough!
xbl
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 8 2008, 11:44) *
I think it's more the social networking that they are more keen on just now. Imagine if Nintendo could get an exclusive deal with FaceBook or similar, that would be a coup.


ohmy.gif ohmy.gif Not 100% accurate, but you predicted some sort of deal, and here we have:

Wii iPlayer

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The BBC's iPlayer video service will soon be available via the Nintendo Wii.

The video download and streaming service that lets people catch up with BBC programmes will soon be a channel on the hugely popular game console.

Early versions of the service will be available from 9 April but more polished software will be released as the service is developed.

The BBC is still at loggerheads with internet service providers (ISPs) over who should pay for extra network costs.

ISPs say the iPlayer is putting strain on their networks, which need to be upgraded to cope. Simon Gunter, from ISP Tiscali, is leading a call for the BBC to help pay for the rising costs.

But Ashley Highfield, head of future media and technology at the corporation, has said he believes the cost of network upgrades should be carried by ISPs.

The news of the Nintendo Wii deal comes as the BBC reveals a steep rise in the numbers of people using the iPlayer.

Fast seller

"The BBC's catch-up TV service can now be accessed on an increasing number of different platforms - from the web and portable devices to gaming consoles," said Erik Huggers, BBC's group controller for Future Media and Technology, announcing the deal in a speech at the MipTV-Milia conference in Cannes.

He added that the iPlayer will also soon be available on television.

The iPlayer on the Wii is currently being tested and the BBC expects to release more test versions in late 2008. An early version of the service is available from 9 April. It is only available in the UK to licence-fee payers.

The iPlayer will be accessible via the internet channel on the Wii console. The BBC said a message would be sent to Wii owners to alert them to its availability.

The news comes as the BBC releases the latest viewing figures for the iPlayer.

In March 2008, more than 17.2 million requests to download or stream BBC programmes were made via the iPlayer. This is up 25% on the previous month and means more than 42 million programmes have been accessed via the iPlayer since its Christmas 2007 launch.

Nintendo's Wii has rapidly become the world's most popular console largely thanks to its innovative motion-sensitive controller.

In the UK it has become the fastest-selling console every shifting more than one million units in just 38 weeks after going on sale.


Its a nice idea to make it simple to access, means you can easily watch programmes on your tv without having a media centre pc hooked up....a Wii is a lot cheaper than a pc!
FilthyMack
QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 9 2008, 16:42) *
ohmy.gif ohmy.gif Not 100% accurate, but you predicted some sort of deal, and here we have:

Wii iPlayer



Its a nice idea to make it simple to access, means you can easily watch programmes on your tv without having a media centre pc hooked up....a Wii is a lot cheaper than a pc!

That's not a bad move actually. While the web browser itself is relatively redundant for most people I'd certainly be more inclined to use it along with something like iPlayer when I can't be arsed getting off the couch (aftera tiring session of Wii gaming). biggrin.gif
xbl
QUOTE (FilthyMack @ Apr 9 2008, 17:00) *
That's not a bad move actually. While the web browser itself is relatively redundant for most people I'd certainly be more inclined to use it along with something like iPlayer when I can't be arsed getting off the couch (aftera tiring session of Wii gaming). biggrin.gif


Plus, I was thinking from a personal point of view, if I want to watch iplayer, I have to go to my room, or use my laptop. Thats fine for me, but if a group of us are watching, the laptop sound and picture doesnt cut it! It is possible to hook it up to the tv and plug in some speakers, but thats time consuming and messy.

If you could just navigate to it with the Wii, and press play, that would be ace - a bit more social than retreating to the pc*


*Yes, Im aware of media centre, and living room pc's with tv outputs etc. but I dont think most people would have them. Theyre a lot more expensive to rig up than a Wii!
Mr X
QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 9 2008, 17:05) *
Plus, I was thinking from a personal point of view, if I want to watch iplayer, I have to go to my room, or use my laptop. Thats fine for me, but if a group of us are watching, the laptop sound and picture doesnt cut it! It is possible to hook it up to the tv and plug in some speakers, but thats time consuming and messy.

If you could just navigate to it with the Wii, and press play, that would be ace - a bit more social than retreating to the pc*


*Yes, Im aware of media centre, and living room pc's with tv outputs etc. but I dont think most people would have them. Theyre a lot more expensive to rig up than a Wii!

I agree. We've watched a few things on 4OD lately (and still have Absolutely to get round to smile.gif) and hooking up the laptop to do it is a bit of a pain.

I hope Channel 4 are taking notice of this!
FilthyMack
QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 9 2008, 17:05) *
Plus, I was thinking from a personal point of view, if I want to watch iplayer, I have to go to my room, or use my laptop. Thats fine for me, but if a group of us are watching, the laptop sound and picture doesnt cut it! It is possible to hook it up to the tv and plug in some speakers, but thats time consuming and messy.

If you could just navigate to it with the Wii, and press play, that would be ace - a bit more social than retreating to the pc*


*Yes, Im aware of media centre, and living room pc's with tv outputs etc. but I dont think most people would have them. Theyre a lot more expensive to rig up than a Wii!

I'm the same, just a lot more comfortable to watch on the telly rather than more than one person huddled round a monitor. There was talk of iPlayer coming to the 360, I'd be happy to see it on either one.

If Nintendo are at all interested in making people aware of it's internet functions something like this could help them push it. It's amazing how many Wii owners aren't even very aware if the Wii Shop as they've never bothered to look into connecting to the internet with their Wii.
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QUOTE (FilthyMack @ Apr 9 2008, 17:27) *
I'm the same, just a lot more comfortable to watch on the telly rather than more than one person huddled round a monitor. There was talk of iPlayer coming to the 360, I'd be happy to see it on either one.

If Nintendo are at all interested in making people aware of it's internet functions something like this could help them push it. It's amazing how many Wii owners aren't even very aware if the Wii Shop as they've never bothered to look into connecting to the internet with their Wii.


Got it about half an hour ago and have been playing it with my daughters since, its absolutely fantastic!

I urge you all to get it so we can have some online fun!
Reina
QUOTE (MarreZ @ Apr 9 2008, 18:13) *
Got it about half an hour ago and have been playing it with my daughters since, its absolutely fantastic!

I urge you all to get it so we can have some online fun!


Mario Kart?
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QUOTE (Reina @ Apr 9 2008, 18:20) *
Mario Kart?


Yup.
Ric
QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 9 2008, 16:42) *
ohmy.gif ohmy.gif Not 100% accurate, but you predicted some sort of deal, and here we have:

Wii iPlayer


I'm not surprised actually. The BBC were rounded on by the tech community because the first player, the one where you could only view things that had been downloaded, was IE specific (and therefore Windows specific) and wasn't accessible - which is a pretty shocking thing when you think that the BBC are a public service. Since then, they've switched to a flash based movie streaming model (which works out well as it can be embedded on the BBC's website) which can be viewed by any browser with flash installed. You can still download stuff, which will be in better quality than the web streamed version, but it's restricted to IE and Firefox. However they are getting there. That combo of browsers should cover most platforms, and if Opera can run on the Wii I can't see why Firefox couldn't be modded to work (WiiFox?).

4OD, when I last looked, also had to be IE only. It too may have been upgraded. In fact, just checked, it not only specifies IE, but needs a certain version of Windows Media Player.

ps: Love the pic on that story..


A Wii player have fun, yeserday.

Seriously though, I think it's the way to go for the consoles. Get them all online, all set up into communities, social networking etc, etc.
Reina
Can't get iPlayer or 4OD on a mac - you can stream from iPlayer, but you can't download anything to watch later. Only thing about macs I don't like. sad.gif

It's something to do with the licence apparently.
Ric
QUOTE (Reina @ Apr 9 2008, 21:00) *
It's something to do with the licence apparently.

More likely the ActiveX component needed for it, which is Win/IE only.
Reina
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 9 2008, 21:47) *
More likely the ActiveX component needed for it, which is Win/IE only.


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Will I be able to access 4oD on my Mac?

Unfortunately not at the launch of 4oD.

This is an industry-wide issue caused because the accepted Digital Rights Management (DRM) system used to protect online video content, which is required by our content owners, is not compatible with Apple Mac hardware and software. The closed DRM system used by Apple is not currently available for licence by third parties and there is no other Mac-compatible DRM solution which meets the protection requirements of content owners. Unfortunately, we are therefore unable to offer 4oD content to Mac users at this stage.


sad.gif

I assume that's the same reason as iPlayer
GoTeamGaz
I cant believe nintendo (or a 3rd party) hasnt come up with a Wiiboard yet for using the internet
Mr X
QUOTE (GoTeamGaz @ Apr 10 2008, 00:24) *
I cant believe nintendo (or a 3rd party) hasnt come up with a Wiiboard yet for using the internet

The internet channel was updated ages ago to add USB keyboard support wink.gif

I havent tried it, but I believe most USB keyboards work fine.
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So who's getting this?

Can we organise some games for the weekend?
Ric
QUOTE (GoTeamGaz @ Apr 10 2008, 00:24) *
I cant believe nintendo (or a 3rd party) hasnt come up with a Wiiboard yet for using the internet

There already is a keyboard, but in funnier news, this...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/08/mi...wii_remote_mtv/


xbl
QUOTE (Ric @ Apr 10 2008, 09:19) *
There already is a keyboard, but in funnier news, this...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/08/mi...wii_remote_mtv/


Humiliating climbdown for Microsoft! laugh.gif

All those things that Xbox gamers said were crap (Mii's, gimmicky controllers), and now Microsoft are going to have to play catch up! laugh.gif

The playstation already has a motion controller does it not? Developed after the success of the Wii?
FilthyMack
QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 10 2008, 09:32) *
Humiliating climbdown for Microsoft! laugh.gif

All those things that Xbox gamers said were crap (Mii's, gimmicky controllers), and now Microsoft are going to have to play catch up! laugh.gif

The playstation already has a motion controller does it not? Developed after the success of the Wii?

It was released with the 6-axis controller, a poor man's Wiimote really. I think there was a legal issue with the people behind Dualshock but that's been sorted now and Dualshock pads are on their way to the Ps3, I think.

Don't think there's many games been developed which have made much use of the 6-axis.

Yes, MarreZ, I'll defo be getting it.
Johnstoun
QUOTE (MarreZ @ Apr 10 2008, 09:18) *
So who's getting this?

Can we organise some games for the weekend?


In despach now. With the Wii wheel. Will sort out my Wii code tonight or tomorrow, although I am off to London either Saturday or Sunday.

My 1,000th post regards buying a racing game starring an italian plumber complete with a plastic toy. I am soooo proud.
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QUOTE (xbl @ Apr 10 2008, 09:32) *
Humiliating climbdown for Microsoft! laugh.gif

All those things that Xbox gamers said were crap (Mii's, gimmicky controllers), and now Microsoft are going to have to play catch up! laugh.gif

The playstation already has a motion controller does it not? Developed after the success of the Wii?


Why is it a humiliating climbdown for microsoft? The wii came out 2 years after the 360, i dont think anyone from microsoft have ever slated the wii's controls.

The PS3 has sixaxis, meaning you can use it the same as a wiimote if required, it was in development before the wii, dosent get used for games much.
Mr X
QUOTE (MarreZ @ Apr 10 2008, 10:44) *
Why is it a humiliating climbdown for microsoft? The wii came out 2 years after the 360, i dont think anyone from microsoft have ever slated the wii's controls.

The PS3 has sixaxis, meaning you can use it the same as a wiimote if required, it was in development before the wii, dosent get used for games much.

Thats not strictly true though, is it?

The sixasis will measure tilt but doesnt do swing or depth. I dont think theres any doubt that, as a motion device, the Wii remote is in a different league to the sixaxis controller.
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QUOTE (28301 - 016 @ Apr 10 2008, 11:08) *
Thats not strictly true though, is it?

The sixasis will measure tilt but doesnt do swing or depth. I dont think theres any doubt that, as a motion device, the Wii remote is in a different league to the sixaxis controller.


Its the same in principal, obviously it dosent do pointy stuff, its more like the nunchuck than the wiimote i suppose.
GoTeamGaz
are gamestation giving out their preorders yet? They often release a game a day early because of leaks and indie stores selling em as soon as they arrive!

Someone phone em and ask, ive nae baws
FilthyMack
QUOTE (GoTeamGaz @ Apr 10 2008, 12:44) *
are gamestation giving out their preorders yet? They often release a game a day early because of leaks and indie stores selling em as soon as they arrive!

Someone phone em and ask, ive nae baws

Don't think they are in Inverness anyway. I phoned this morning to check whether I should reserve a copy and the boy said they were knee deep in them and only about a third taken up with pre-orders so I should be alright. No hint of them actually selling them today though. That said, I mind when Pro Evo jumped it's release one year they'd got the phone call sometime in the late morning just to start selling them so thing could've changed since my call.
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