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GreenOak_Ton
Newcastle Utd have appointed Kevin Keegan as their new manager.That blows Morton supporters dream of Newcastle swooping in for McInally paying us £3 million in compensation which would then have allowed us to appoint "local boy" Keegan as head coach of the Mighty Morton.

Would someone else please swoop in for McInally....pleeeeaaaase. sad.gif
PearlJamGr
Ingratitude should be punished by law...

Muggy
He's actually done nothing seriously wrong at Morton. What's he doing wrong this season? Morton are hardly going to be promotion contenders are they? They are where they are expected to be in the league. He's brought Morton up from the second, and the are looking good for avoiding relegation so what is the problem?
Fife Saint
QUOTE (Muggy @ Jan 16 2008, 17:52) *
He's actually done nothing seriously wrong at Morton. What's he doing wrong this season? Morton are hardly going to be promotion contenders are they? They are where they are expected to be in the league. He's brought Morton up from the second, and the are looking good for avoiding relegation so what is the problem?



Put your tin hat on pal.
Dunning1874
QUOTE (Muggy @ Jan 16 2008, 17:52) *
He's actually done nothing seriously wrong at Morton. What's he doing wrong this season? Morton are hardly going to be promotion contenders are they? They are where they are expected to be in the league. He's brought Morton up from the second, and the are looking good for avoiding relegation so what is the problem?


Ah, now that is how it may appear if you haven't had to live with his tactics for the last few seasons.

And avoiding relegation's far from guaranteed.

But anyway, I would say that this is a weird time for this thread, as it would appear JM may be changing his ways, having shown a willingness to change the system on Saturday, a move which worked, and he's signed players with experience, which is a nice change.

I'm still not convinced, but we appear to be taking steps in the right direction. A win on Saturday, and McInally's earned himself more time.

garymcc1874
QUOTE (Muggy @ Jan 16 2008, 17:52) *
He's actually done nothing seriously wrong at Morton. What's he doing wrong this season? Morton are hardly going to be promotion contenders are they? They are where they are expected to be in the league. He's brought Morton up from the second, and the are looking good for avoiding relegation so what is the problem?


Sometimes I wonder the same thing. It also looks like the 6-1 pounding the other week has prompted a bit more movement in the transfer window than I would have expected. The signing of McGuffie is a good one. The signing of Smith could turn out decent but I won't comment yet as he was pretty poor on Saturday but it showed balls for JM to drop his captain - even though he was playing badly. I reckon we'll now get another striker with Templeman gone, and there are strong rumours about Jenkins coming and apparantly was confirmed by a Gretna director or something but I'm not getting my hopes up about Jenkins yet. Getting rid of the crap like Gardyne, Keenan, Coakley, Templeman is also a good move.
Dunning1874
QUOTE (garymcc1874 @ Jan 16 2008, 18:01) *
Sometimes I wonder the same thing. It also looks like the 6-1 pounding the other week has prompted a bit more movement in the transfer window than I would have expected. The signing of McGuffie is a good one, I reckon we'll now get another striker with Templeman gone, and there are strong rumours about Jenkins coming and apparantly was confirmed by a Gretna director or something but I'm not getting my hopes up about Jenkins yet. Getting rid of the crap like Gardyne, Keenan, Coakley, Templeman is also a good move.


He's better than McLaughlin. We should have kept Keenan and let McLaughlin go to the 2nd Division.
PearlJamGr
Using other tactics than 4-4-2 should be punished by law...
Nevisboy
Hows Jamie and Kieran and performing these days??
garymcc1874
Stevenson has been stuck out on the wing most times he's played. Got injured for a while and hasn't been back in the starting 11 since returning. Came on as a sub on Saturday and showed a bit of dig and tracked back well which is not his usual. I have probably been unfair in my criticism of him before but he still has a lot to prove IMO, I reckon he'll start playing in his preferred central midfield role if we continue with the formation we used on Saturday against Gretna.

McAnespie to me appears to be a bit up himself and not actually all that good. His set pieces are by far his strong point though. I think we'll see him more involved as well in future, possible in the left central midfield role. Hopefully he's much better than what we've seen of him so far.

Finlayson Stevenson McGuffie McAnespie McAlister

is the midfield 5 (if you want to put it that way) I expect to see on Saturday.
qos_75
QUOTE (Dunning1874 @ Jan 16 2008, 18:01) *
I'm still not convinced, but we appear to be taking steps in the right direction. A win on Saturday, and McInally's earned himself more time.


Hopefully not!

I think he has done okay for Morton. Winning the league last season and of course consolidating in the higher league, in the first season back is surely what most fans would be looking for. I can also see Morton beating Gretna in the replay, so surely the negative vibes surrounding him will dissipate for a while.
Dunning1874
QUOTE (qos_75 @ Jan 16 2008, 18:49) *
Hopefully not!

I think he has done okay for Morton. Winning the league last season and of course consolidating in the higher league, in the first season back is surely what most fans would be looking for. I can also see Morton beating Gretna in the replay, so surely the negative vibes surrounding him will dissipate for a while.


Of course, that is what most Morton fans want to see us doing this season, however, there is still a huge danger of relegation. Twice this season we've gone on runs of 6 games without a win, and both times most of the blame goes to McInally, who could have prevented these runs with a bit of common sense, eg. if he just played players in their right positions, and if he'd actually played Millar. If we go on another run like that, then we're surely headed for the playoffs, as it'll be far too many points dropped.
And if we end up in the playoffs, I certainly wouldn't fancy our chances.

I agree that with you about the replay; I'm very confident of beating Gretna, and if that happens McInally does deserve praise, however I just hope that if our league form deteriorates and we look like going down, we won't postpone sacking McInally just because we're still in the cup.
port-ton
QUOTE (qos_75 @ Jan 16 2008, 18:49) *
Hopefully not!

I think he has done okay for Morton. Winning the league last season and of course consolidating in the higher league, in the first season back is surely what most fans would be looking for. I can also see Morton beating Gretna in the replay, so surely the negative vibes surrounding him will dissipate for a while.


to be fair anyone could have got us promoted last season with the squad we had.

and after the most shambolic pre-season in our history, more shambolic than any during the hugh scott administration era people were annoyed with him and our chairman. after fighting for so long to finally get back it looked like they were just going to throw it all away by thinking our squad was good enough to stay up on its own with a few 2nd division players added.

then we had to suffer JM's tactics, which you have no idea about. playing a 4-2-4 from the start against the league leaders just about says it all.

but since we got humped 6-1 things are looking more promising and everyone at the club is starting to realise they went about everything wrong.

captain calamity has been dropped, we're signing the experience we need to stay up, releasing the deadwood at last and if it continues like this then JM will deserve his chance again.

as soon as it goes back to the way it was before though then it would be time to leave.
BasraTon
QUOTE (garymcc1874 @ Jan 16 2008, 18:48) *
McAnespie to me appears to be a bit up himself and not actually all that good. His set pieces are by far his strong point though.


Gary, his corner kicks and crosses are attrocious
GreenOak_Ton
QUOTE (Dunning1874 @ Jan 16 2008, 19:03) *
He's better than McLaughlin. We should have kept Keenan and let McLaughlin go to the 2nd Division.

In total agreement with that.Keenan got a run at start of season and stuck to the task he was given with hardly a lapse of concentration.
McInally got us out of the 2nd division at the THIRD attempt and only then it was because of the good fortune he had Celtic's Paul McGowan on loan last season.The guy scored a barrowload and laid on a barrowload for others and got us so many 3 pointers from nothing situations.Even then though as the youngster jaded towards the end of the season McInally kept playing him instead of giving the guy a rest which brings us back to McInally as a manager..........says it all really.
SaintSam
QUOTE (Muggy @ Jan 16 2008, 17:52) *
He's actually done nothing seriously wrong at Morton. What's he doing wrong this season? Morton are hardly going to be promotion contenders are they?


Morton fans obviously have completely unrealistic expectations. McInally got them promoted and despite their current league position taken at face value, they are still only four points behind fourth place. What exactly do Morton fans expect? Better performances? Fair enough, but I've seen plenty worse performances than the two times you've faced us in the league this season. I think the biggest hurdle that Morton, as a club, need to overcome is this expectation that they can compete with certain clubs in this division for signatures.

Fair enough, Sutton and Mensing are players that could set this league on fire, but they're also not going to sign for Morton over at least three other teams in this division. The chairman and manager are probably only guilty of targetting fan pleasing names, but it's unrealistic. Morton may well be a sleeping giant, but promotion to the first division didn't cause a sudden awakening. Only once they have established themselves and eradicted the threat of relegation, will big name players at this level be enticed away from the lure of the likes of Dundee, Hamilton and St.Johnstone, towards Morton.

In the mean time, find some realistic targets and things might improve down Greenock way. I also find this deep rooted hatred for the ginger defender quite odd. He's always been the one player that has continually stood out in matches against St.Johnstone, and as I've said previously, it never struck me as being for bad reasons.
Dunning1874
QUOTE (SaintSam @ Jan 16 2008, 23:04) *
Morton fans obviously have completely unrealistic expectations. McInally got them promoted and despite their current league position taken at face value, they are still only four points behind fourth place. What exactly do Morton fans expect? Better performances? Fair enough, but I've seen plenty worse performances than the two times you've faced us in the league this season. I think the biggest hurdle that Morton, as a club, need to overcome is this expectation that they can compete with certain clubs in this division for signatures.

Fair enough, Sutton and Mensing are players that could set this league on fire, but they're also not going to sign for Morton over at least three other teams in this division. The chairman and manager are probably only guilty of targetting fan pleasing names, but it's unrealistic. Morton may well be a sleeping giant, but promotion to the first division didn't cause a sudden awakening. Only once they have established themselves and eradicted the threat of relegation, will big name players at this level be enticed away from the lure of the likes of Dundee, Hamilton and St.Johnstone, towards Morton.

In the mean time, find some realistic targets and things might improve down Greenock way. I also find this deep rooted hatred for the ginger defender quite odd. He's always been the one player that has continually stood out in matches against St.Johnstone, and as I've said previously, it never struck me as being for bad reasons.


We may only be 4 points off 4th, but on the flip side, we're only 3 points off 9th, and we've only 1 win in our last 8 league games, so being caught by the teams below us seems more likely than catching the teams above us.

The lack of realism in the transfer market is the thing that turned the fans against the management big time. We went for Sutton and Mensing - if they had signed, great, but it was never likely. They never had any other players in mind in the very predictable event of them knocking us back. This left us with panic buying; we signed Adam Coakley, who has now been released and was out on loan pretty much the whole time he was here. Pointless.

But like I said earlier on, there is a sign this month that we might be starting to head in the right direction. In a strange way, getting pumped 6 - 1 by Livi may have been good for us as it's acted as a wake up call.

And you mention the big ginger defender - trust me, Stewart Greacen is an absolute disaster area. But even that may have been sorted, he was dropped against Gretna. Here's hoping we stick with that. smile.gif
rawheed rex
i think things are looking up down our way just now. if we get the players we are after in this windo. and move on some that arent cutting it. which we seem to have done we will have a squod that will stay up and be capable of challenging next year. one low is losing miller. we also need more cover in defenc but we must land these new signings. or els we are f uc ked. imo mcinally future with morton rides on this transfer windo. but he will be hear till the end of the season regardles.
Marc
It's quite funny to see the comments on outsiders who have saw our tactics what, twice this season? Some people on here seem to think they know better than the Morton fans regarding our clubs affairs, even through we have suffered these tactics for the past few seasons!

I am one for giving someone respect, but they have to earn that respect, they don't automatically have it. So far McInally hasn't earned it, although he does seem to be moving in the right direction during this transfer window, but all is not finished here. Lets hope the signings that are being rumoured are true then I can honestly see McInally being the Morton manager for at least a few seasons to come.

I don't want my team to become the Scottish version of Newcastle Utd where all the expectations are far too high, IMO our expectation are NOT high, all we expect is to be back where we were previously and to try and push for higher than that, if possible. Certainly not to be getting pumped by the likes of Livi 6-1!

Anyway, I've said enough smile.gif
imtheboy
QUOTE (Marc @ Jan 17 2008, 02:17) *
It's quite funny to see the comments on outsiders who have saw our tactics what, twice this season? Some people on here seem to think they know better than the Morton fans regarding our clubs affairs, even through we have suffered these tactics for the past few seasons!

I am one for giving someone respect, but they have to earn that respect, they don't automatically have it. So far McInally hasn't earned it, although he does seem to be moving in the right direction during this transfer window, but all is not finished here. Lets hope the signings that are being rumoured are true then I can honestly see McInally being the Morton manager for at least a few seasons to come.

I don't want my team to become the Scottish version of Newcastle Utd where all the expectations are far too high, IMO our expectation are NOT high, all we expect is to be back where we were previously and to try and push for higher than that, if possible. Certainly not to be getting pumped by the likes of Livi 6-1!

Anyway, I've said enough smile.gif


What do you make of MacAlister? The word on the street is that Motherwell are supposed to be keeping tabs on him.
Mr. Burns
QUOTE (imtheboy @ Jan 17 2008, 08:31) *
What do you make of MacAlister? The word on the street is that Motherwell are supposed to be keeping tabs on him.



He's still giving his all unlike some. Played well on saturday. Was in Hospitality & McCoist was asking about him at half time.
SaltyTON
QUOTE (Mr. Burns @ Jan 17 2008, 10:08) *
He's still giving his all unlike some. Played well on saturday. Was in Hospitality & McCoist was asking about him at half time.

He was talking to his mum. laugh.gif
port-ton
QUOTE (imtheboy @ Jan 17 2008, 08:31) *
What do you make of MacAlister? The word on the street is that Motherwell are supposed to be keeping tabs on him.


excellent player, id say probably the fittest player in the league. can cause any defense problems on his day, except when he plays most of a season in central midfield where the game passes him by completely but then again Saintsam says Mcinally is a good manager so it must be true tongue.gif
vikingTON
QUOTE (SaintSam @ Jan 16 2008, 23:04) *
In the mean time, find some realistic targets and things might improve down Greenock way. I also find this deep rooted hatred for the ginger defender quite odd. He's always been the one player that has continually stood out in matches against St.Johnstone, and as I've said previously, it never struck me as being for bad reasons.


Do us a massive favour then and sign the bombscare. smile.gif
McInally has been sparked into a bit of action because his coat was well and truly on a shoogly peg after Livingston, and the longer this urgency continues the better.
It won't be too long I fear, until yet another slump due to tactical ineptitude and failure to strengthen key areas.
If he moved on I wouldn't miss him at all.
Marc
Leave Jim alone, please :-)
Marc
Leave Jim alone, please :-)
vikingTON
QUOTE (Marc @ Jan 17 2008, 19:22) *
Leave Jim alone, please :-)


No. wink.gif

QUOTE (Marc @ Jan 17 2008, 19:22) *
Leave Jim alone, please :-)

No. wink.gif
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