Starting to think that fans of other teams were right. He's done well in patches but generally speaking he's been poor and only has 2 goals all season. Last night vs Huntly he was awful.

nah, he's more like a shit Giraffe that can't play football.

He was far worse than that.

that's no way to talk about your best striker now Lyle has gone.

He started off promising. Same with Sturm, the guy has scored in the champions league but just looks 2 steps behind on the pitch.

How can anyone get up to anywhere near match sharpness or get a bit of confidence if he's forever on the fucking bench??? If he'd started as many games as that lanky bag of shyte he'd be our top scorer I'm sure of it.

Well i definatly see some quality in his play, and your right hes not been giving a fair go in the team. He has had some starts though and bench apperances but hasnt ever took his chance. which you need to do, he is kicking a ball every day in training so its not like he is coming back from injury and hasnt kicked a ball for the last 4 months.

He was injured for a whole year before he came to us.

Oh was unaware of this. It worries me that the only person who scores is Kev Mcdonald. There is a thread on the official dundee website forum about playing him upfront and just Mchale and Robertson in the middle. I think its a good idea. although maybe not the time to experiment.

I think Sturm needs a good 10-15 starts and we'll see the best from him.

quality!

I think that's a great idea.

I think you should play an experimental line-up in all of your remaining league games this season.

I think you should get run over by a bus.

I love you too.

That wasn't a display of love, it was a one of a severe wish of life threatening injuries upon yourself.

Who did he score in the CL for?

Thanks for the clarification.

And yes, Zemlik is a donkey.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/Fixtu.../Report=EV.html

You know my thoughts on Zemlik, lads.

Really poor striker and the sooner Rae cuts his losses and uses him only as an impact player to throw on as well as the two main strikers in the last ten minutes when you need a goal, the better for Dundee.

Strikers need to build a relationship and Rae seems to chop and change them quite a lot. Would have thought 4-5-1 might have suited Dundee quite well, McHale protecting the defence with Daquin, McDonald, Robertson and Swankie ahead of him and then Davidson or (although not now) Lyle up front.

We know.

Agree with most of those sentiments, too much chopping and changing isnt doing any of our strikers any good, with Lyle looking like being on the way out I think Davidson and Sturm should get the nod and be persevered with for a few games as I remember them walking all over Thistle at Dens this season. I'd have O'Brien in for Swa nkie as he's been gash this season and O'Brien has looked the part everytime I've seen him.

i spotted big jan while going on my hols.

Sound's like you've been reading Jani Sturm's CV... it's probably the same one that Rae read before signing him...

"I've scored against Linfield" doesn't quite carry the same weight....

He's def the worst of the four we have at the moment. He doesn't have any ball control, any pace, any anything in fact. He's just a non entity on the pitch. Useless.

At least big Jan noises up the opposition defenders a bit and he's decent in the air. But that's about all.

Bob Davidson.....fat and slow.

Lyle....nice tan.

We need a stiker for sure or we can kiss promotion goodbye.

You obviously know nothing about football, probably a boo boy.

Click to view attachment Heard Gretna were ready to pounce in a last throw of the dice to survive.

I guess your back on the drugs again?...

I think he is actually a half decent player when he wants to be

just taken a bit of time to settle and addapt to the scottish game

deserves another chance

although i will agree he has been quite poor in recent matches but thought he would be a great player when he signed because of his height

and calling him a donkey is a bit harsh

could be the next schevchenko just taken time to settleznd has a bit of convincing to do

i don't think much of sturm and still havent seen what he is made of don't know why Rae persists with him

zemlik is OK but not in my starting 11

its not just him i have a problem with all our strikers offer something different but none offer goals 10 of our goals this season have come from midfeild with mcDonald and Robbo has a few too.

If this is the sort of football knowledge your talking about then your right, I know nothing.



...and exactly how many games have we got left this season for this to happen?

For your information I have never booed Dundee, ever... but i do know a waste of a shirt when I see one.

Compared to the other 3 he is?

or would you disagree?

or are you still smarting from my critisism of Brent Sancho?

grow up.

I looked up Zemlik on footy manager , and he has an awfull goal scoring record. Its something like 25 goals in 10 years of football.
Still I quite like him , hes pretty crap , but hes a handy player to have about and he seems like a nice enough lad , just a pity he cant score a goal.

All our strikers are stinking get ridd of them all

I think you seem to forget we're not in the Bonetti days any more, we have f**k all money to spend so we have to get the best out of what we have, if we can't then surely we have to look at the manager? Maybe you could be a candidate to replace him.

The Irish league is alot better than you think. Gretna found that out the hard way. Pretty confident linfield would hold their own in the SPL

I checked on Footie manager and Sturms goal record isnt that good either. Zemlik has scored 35 goals in 9 years. Tha is absolutly awful. how is he still a professional?

I think you are all being very harsh on Sturm and Zemlick.

Jani Sturm plays off the shoulder on the defender and finds it harder in this division. In the SPL you have time on the ball and more space to run into. However in the First Division you have a man on you before you know it making it harder to break free from the defense. This has been what has cost SPL teams competing in the Scottish Cup being knocked out by lower league teams.

Jan Zemlick is a hard worker and causes defenses problems. I think he is as good as any other striker in this division but is picked on because they expect bigger players to walk trough defenses using their strength. At dens the pitch is too wide and doesn't suit him as a target man because when they play the long ball it usually doesn't hit Zemlick and instead travels toward Lyle, Davidson or Sturm. I was at the away game against Livingston at the start of the season and the pitch was much narrower this meant the opposition defense had to knock the ball out of play because if the ball didn't travel far enough up the field and just went up in the air they were in trouble. When our defense played Zemlick as a target man in that game the ball was more likely to hit the big man's head and be knocked onto Davidson.

I think our other two forwards (Excluding Deasely because of his absence) are very similar in the sense that they are used as target men quite like Zemlick. I disagree to the Davidson-Lyle partnership upfront and think that it should either be Lyle-Sturm or Davidson-Zemlick because I feel Davidson is the best finisher and would be better with a bit of physical presence to lend a hand.

actually its about 5 goals in 10 years

Thank goodness! Someone with a bit of footballing sense. We're not getting the best out of Zemlik or Strum, I think that's pretty certain. Did no-one else see Zemlik against Celtic? He was a lot better. I suspect that'd be the same of Sturm against oppositions that pushed up a bit (rather than the First Division midfield-crowding approach).

Now's not the time for experimental line-ups (oh, remember those Kernaghan days?!), but we've got to find a forward pairing. I'd like to see a Zemlik-Sturm pairing being given a run in a game where the midfield are instructed to play the ball to feet.

So, let me get this right, it's the defenders and midfielders in this division that are to blame for Zemlik (and Sturm) being rubbish?

How come other strikers who play off the shoulder (Offiong, Milne, Jackson, Buchanan) have managed to score goals and how come other big lumps (O'Connor, Deuchar) have managed to do the business?

Not at all - I think it's been the way Dundee have tried to play football that's the issue, personally. We just haven't been doing through-defence passes, and that's what Sturm's been waiting for, and Zemlik's a forward rather than a striker, and he's been left looking for a striker. Davidson hasn't been incisive enough. I don't think Offiong, Milne, Jackson or Buchanan would be doing much better given Dundee's play. To me, it's always painfully obvious at New Douglas Park - Hamilton players run onto the ball whilst going forward; Dundee players always seem to pick up the ball with their back to the target. Now, we've not been doing badly, all things considered, but everyone knows we're relying on our midfield at the moment, and we're not exactly wallowing in depth there should a few injuries arise.

Its defo the style of play that hurts the boys up-front but as proffesionals they should be able to change their game to suit the style of play. The reason oor boys in midfield are getting all the plaudits is because a) They work their arses off and they actually arrive late in the box picking up the scraps. A new striker is probably needed but is not gauranteed to score any more. As for playing Kev up front that would be a big mistake the way he has been playing in the mid.