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DAFC
Livvy took a well deserved lead after some nice setup play on the wing before half-time.
Second half was a bit of a blur but the second goal two Pars players ran into each other! sad.gif
Third goal was a deflection after we allowed far to much room for their defender.
Fourth was a peach but again too much space.
Well done Livvy.
Pars players were a disgrace and it could have been ten - nil.
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kpar
Well done to Livi, as terrible as we were, they played well. First half, how many times did they cut right through the centre of our defence? It was unbelievable. If they'd provided better finishes they'd have been 3-up before they scored the first goal. It was no surprise when they did eventually score. Second half, I was barely watching to be honest, and left well before the end. I think we had one shot on target in the 75 minutes I saw, and that was barely more than a passback straight to the keeper.

Whatever is or isn't going on behind the scenes at EEP, it's pretty clear the players have given up playing for Kenny. No creativity, no midfield, no defence, no heart and no fight.
SCDave
Danny Murphy play?
MTJ
After watching us, an average team, annihilate Livi early in the season I really struggle to comprehend how they can thrash teams, as bad as Dunfermline have been lately.
DomDom
Morton's hammering was mainly down to dire defending. For some reason, Livi knew how to punish us, while other sides, like Stirling today, fail to do so.
wattie_rojas
How's Tam McManus doing?
DAFC
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Danny Murphy play?


Yeah, slotted in a left back, he was okay and seemed to be comfortable in possession.
Worthwhile signing.
lzreid
QUOTE (wattie_rojas @ Nov 3 2007, 18:40) *
How's Tam McManus doing?



Dunfermline are 8th.

Happy to help.
Wilbur
Excuse me, I'm a stranger in these parts. Could someone please direct me to the 'Let's All Piss Ourselves Laughing At Dunfermline' thread ?

Thank you.
LLD
Good win for us today, and to be honest I don't think the scoreline flattered us either.

I thought it was going to be one of those days after we missed three or four really good chances, but after we got the opening goal it was pretty much one way traffic.

I can sympathise with Pars fans because we had a performance like theirs away to Hamilton at the back end of last season which most people felt was the last straw for Robertson.

For me, they gave up after we scored the second goal and for a team of professionals that is almost unforgiveable.

The worry I'd have if I was a Pars fan tonight is whether changing the manager will actually make any difference. Sacking Kenny will blow a massive hole in the budget, and it looks to me that they need to have a major clear out in January.

If you don't have money, you can only bring players in if you get rid of some, and who is going to take any of the shirkers on display today?

The fact that John Robertson has been quoted as a replacement for Kenny is something else that would cause me concern. If Robbo ever had 'it', he certainly didn't show it with us.
Juninho
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The fact that John Robertson has been quoted as a replacement for Kenny is something else that would cause me concern. If Robbo ever had 'it', he certainly didn't show it with us.

Wouldn't surprise me if he jumped ship for Dunfermline either. dry.gif
Martin Nelson
I said it last week, but those players should be ashamed of themselves. However funny it might be as a Rovers fan hearing their scores, they are cheating fans who pay good money to go along and support their team.
MCL
I thought Dunfermline started the game not too badly but once we went ahead there was no way back for them. Danny Murphy was their best player IMO. He tried to take the heat off Kenny after the match and said, quite rightly, that the players are to blame for the performances.

We should have had about 8 goals at least and the nearest Dunfermline came to scoring was when Liberda tipped a shot onto the bar but the game was finished by that time.

Dave MacKay at right back and Julius at centre back made the defence more solid than it has been lately. It was just a matter of time before Steven Craig would start scoring the bucketloads of chances that have fell his way.

It was an hour after the game before Stephen Kenny appeared and he looked terrible. The strain is taking it's toll, his face was drained and he struggled with simple questions. He's a dead man walking.
Livi
QUOTE (MCL @ Nov 3 2007, 21:44) *
I thought Dunfermline started the game not too badly but once we went ahead there was no way back for them. Danny Murphy was their best player IMO. He tried to take the heat off Kenny after the match and said, quite rightly, that the players are to blame for the performances.

We should have had about 8 goals at least and the nearest Dunfermline came to scoring was when Liberda tipped a shot onto the bar but the game was finished by that time.

Dave MacKay at right back and Julius at centre back made the defence more solid than it has been lately. It was just a matter of time before Steven Craig would start scoring the bucketloads of chances that have fell his way.

It was an hour after the game before Stephen Kenny appeared and he looked terrible. The strain is taking it's toll, his face was drained and he struggled with simple questions. He's a dead man walking.


Managers live and die by their results and this could be the final nail in Kenny's "Pars" coffin. I agree they sgould stick by them.

I would be more inclined to get rid of Yorkston rather than the manager.

Good display from the mighty Lions!!

Bet it took MP 2 mins to come out and give his interview to the press - he deserves praise for today's showing.
Socks
The first half was pretty even, and while we were far from good, we were competing and it was a game between two sides who both looked pretty poor. However it was the same story as what we've seen so often in the last year and a bit - as soon as our team goes a goal down, the game's pretty much over. While Livingston played OK and certainly deserved to win, I didn't think they were that good to be honest, and in a sense it hurt more today because we were humped by a team who looked far shorter on ability to me than either Hamilton or Stirling did in the other two humpings. The first goal was a very good header as there were two defenders on him at the time, the second - WTF was that? Maybe it just summed up the situation we're in just now, and if it wasn't my own team it would almost have been funny to watch that goal. Good goal in the last minute though, really well hit that one.

I don't even know how I really feel about this any more - I suppose I'm kind of resigned to long term pishness, and I'm really just counting down the days until the end of the current contracts, when at least we might be able to make a start at turning it round, whatever division we might be in by then. I suppose as football fans we probably all accept that we'll have to go through a bad spell, but the last few weeks has certainly been the worst run of 3 results in a row in my time watching the Pars since 1989. I'm not sure if it's happened or not, but I certainly don't remember 3 hammerings in a row like this, even in the Premier. It goes in cycles as we all know, and I'm sure we'll be back in better form some time in the future - doesn't make it any easier to accept though. I really just hope that the club is still around to be able to make such a recovery.
Forza Livi
Oh my gawd......
Livi Killed Kenny

Yorkstons a Bawbag
Citizen
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Reynard
QUOTE (Forza Livi @ Nov 3 2007, 21:20) *
Yorkstons a Bawbag



A total balloon of a man that has completely fucked the club he supposedly loves. Him and Masterton have wrecked Dunfermline.
DAFC
Well said Reynard.

young_bairn
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cdisaaccie
QUOTE (Forza Livi @ Nov 3 2007, 21:20) *
Oh my gawd......
Livi Killed Kenny

Yorkstons a Bawbag


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bonniedundee
Dunfermline are suffering in exactly the same way Dundee did when we came down. All these old has-beens and wannabes will only grind you down further. They've relegated you once and will do so again if you let them. Dundee had the same problem with guys like Tam McManus, Garry Brady etc. Changing manager is necessary but will not solve the problem alone. Its going to take at least two tranfer windows for a manager to clear out all these guys on SPL money and replace them with players suitable to compete in this league. Dundee also had the nightmare financial situation to sort out as well, i dont know if that comes into the equation with Dunfermline or not?
DAFC
Another good post.
Stoo61
Some players need to either retire or decide that that they want to play football! Stephen Glass for on is a player who has played at the top level but is finished, he cant function in the low end of the Scottish First Division! The only players I would keep this season are Calum Woods, Stevie Craw and Mark Burchill. Throw Stevie Craw in there and we can build a team round that, lose the rest. Maybe keep Scott Wilson, I want him to do well so badly!
Hoochthedrummer
it's taken a while to sink in...i can't believe we scored 4!!!! Great to see Stevie Craig on the score sheet again...it should give him a confidence boost to go score more goals. Repeat performance next week lads

p.s.
yorkston is a bawbag
port-ton
do you think the same way that teams who are promoted have a winning mentality do well in their first season in a higher league that because of dunfermline's losing mentality of last season that they just...dont know how to win? or is it just that without hammill and o'brien they would have been relegated far sooner?
third lanark
I am not a Dunfermline supporter obviously but what I really am finding a shame is that some of these chancing players really seem quite happy to get Kenny sacked. Kenny cannot be the terrible manager he is made out to be, his record with the Irish leagues and Dunfermline last year show that he cant be that bad. Yorkston is one of the these guys that has always flashed the cash surely it is time for him to fully back the Manager as Petrie did with Hibs and get rid of the chancers dragging the team down.
The Number 78
QUOTE (port-ton @ Nov 4 2007, 17:58) *
do you think the same way that teams who are promoted have a winning mentality do well in their first season in a higher league that because of dunfermline's losing mentality of last season that they just...dont know how to win? or is it just that without hammill and o'brien they would have been relegated far sooner?


Spot on. We were honking right up until Hammill & O'Brien gave us a bit of a spark and quality in the midfield. That's the only reason we weren't relegated much earlier. He also made the mistake of renewing the contracts of players who the jury was very much out on rather than let them go and freshen up the squad with boys not tainted by the spectre of relegation.
smoba
Have read all the previous posts and would just like to add ... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
It's a sad fall from grace for the Pars though.
From eurpean competition to the 2nd division ...
Haste ye back ... wink.gif
Larbert_Par
Another humping. But as I enjoyed myself watching Everton yesterday, I didn't really give a toss. We are a shambles, I see no improvements in the forseeable future until the majority of the deadwood are punted.

I fully expected at best a draw, but to lose 4 goals is unacceptable. My mate who's a Livi fan said we were abysmal and had absolutely no heart. As I say, I wasn't there but I can see how that'd be true.
Islay
QUOTE (Larbert_Par @ Nov 4 2007, 23:36) *
My mate who's a Livi fan said we were abysmal and had absolutely no heart.


That would be correct. Something I noticed is that most of the Livingston players are built like tanks, our players looked like weeds sprinkled with weed killer.
Dundee Par
Another absolutely fucking joke of a "performance" yesterday. 1st half we at least competed but Livi should have been at least 2 up before they got their 1st with Craig missing sitters.

After the 1st goal went in though, it was the same old story. No fight, no shape, no tactics, no fucking desire to get back into the game.

I gave Kenny the benefit of the doubt up until the Hamilton game but we've been an absolute joke this season. The thing is the players we have can play well. They have done for us before. Wilson who was our player of the year last season seems to have become shite over the summer. Bamba is a walking disaster. The midfield create nothing for the attack, and provide no cover for the defence. They do absolutely f**k all. The strikers have been given no service whatsoever but don't do much else to try and create their own chances.

I'm seriously disillusioned with what's going on at the moment. Last year I'd have been fucking raging at the game yesterday, but I just sat there in disbelief while we were completely outplayed at home.

There needs to be either a complete clearout of the playing staff or a new management team that the players will perform for. I'd rather the former but this is likely to be the more expensive option, and we just can't afford it at the moment.
Tonsilitis
I wonder what the future holds for Dunfermline. They were one of the clubs that really overstretched themselves trying to compete with the old firm - paying more for wages alone - never mind any other overheads - than the clubs total income. They are still suffering from the legacy of that, even though they have changed their ways. Indeed they are rumoured to be still paying SPL wages to players who are regularly producing third division performances.

  • They don't have the money to make wholesale changes because of the cost of terminating contracts
  • They have around £12m debt
  • If they don't buck up the second division beckons and that's just as hard to get out of, not to mention financial armageddon.

The above is a nightmare scenario for Dunfermline and, frankly, adminstration beckons. It might be the best thing for the club, provided a buyer can be found. If there to be a clearout, I would start with the board who have brought the club to its knees!

Dunfermline are an SPL team with one of the best provincial stadiums in Scotland. Their present predicament is just terrible and really should not be any cause for laughter for any supporter of Scottish football.
bleubrazil
QUOTE (Tonsilitis @ Nov 5 2007, 00:32) *
I wonder what the future holds for Dunfermline. They were one of the clubs that really overstretched themselves trying to compete with the old firm - paying more for wages alone - never mind any other overheads - than the clubs total income. They are still suffering from the legacy of that, even though they have changed their ways. Indeed they are rumoured to be still paying SPL wages to players who are regularly producing third division performances.

  • They don't have the money to make wholesale changes because of the cost of terminating contracts
  • They have around £12m debt
  • If they don't buck up the second division beckons and that's just as hard to get out of, not to mention financial armageddon.

The above is a nightmare scenario for Dunfermline and, frankly, adminstration beckons. It might be the best thing for the club, provided a buyer can be found. If there to be a clearout, I would start with the board who have brought the club to its knees!

Dunfermline are an SPL team with one of the best provincial stadiums in Scotland. Their present predicament is just terrible and really should not be any cause for laughter for any supporter of Scottish football.



I thought Gavin Masterton was a financial genius wink.gif wink.gif


PS Why take a loan player on SPL wages when promotion is already lost?




Dundee Par
QUOTE (bleubrazil @ Nov 5 2007, 00:58) *
I thought Gavin Masterton was a financial genius wink.gif wink.gif


PS Why take a loan player on SPL wages when promotion is already lost?


Who says we're paying him SPL wages?
EastFootball
QUOTE (bonniedundee @ Nov 3 2007, 21:58) *
Dunfermline are suffering in exactly the same way Dundee did when we came down. All these old has-beens and wannabes will only grind you down further. They've relegated you once and will do so again if you let them. Dundee had the same problem with guys like Tam McManus, Garry Brady etc. Changing manager is necessary but will not solve the problem alone. Its going to take at least two tranfer windows for a manager to clear out all these guys on SPL money and replace them with players suitable to compete in this league. Dundee also had the nightmare financial situation to sort out as well, i dont know if that comes into the equation with Dunfermline or not?

The trouble is, it was our replacement manager to ended up taking us perilously close to religation.

I recall a lot of cheers going up when Brechin beat us at Dens...
Demon Drawer
Have to agree with a lot of the Pars fans on here about their performance. They were at least passing and advancing on our goal in the first half. Admittedly they didn't trouble Mario at all. Whereas we at least bumped to ball towards the goal on a number of occasions, and with better finishing could have had a bigger lead.

However, after the second goal went in I did pass comment at the match that the Pars midfield became static. Even Stirling Albion earlier on this season didn't look as dead on their feet as your lot. They got one lucky break then with 10 minites had turned a 2 goal deficit into a lead, with their heads suddenl;y lifted and momentum going their way. There was just no fight at all in the Pars players once they fell behind. They still had 40 minutes to do something, and just to have clawed one back would have given renewed hope, but nothing looked like it was going to happen and in the end only one last minute shot needed Mario to make any save at all.
Stevie
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!1

3 weeks in a row, scum to get beat...BANKER! Thank you Scumfermline players for lying down!


But...the guys were talkin about it at teh game on saturday...Scumfermline CANT afford to drop down another league the will simply go bust, i for one LOVE slaggin their fans but i would be gutted to see them go bust(as much as i dispise them) Anyway good luck...And 4-0 St Johnstone next week....a sly tenner on there!
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